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Rocket man

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RLPA can agree to waive it being a restraint of trade in CBA, however that still could come under scrutiny if challenged
Only takes one person to challenge.

I previously heard the AFL underwrite all contracts so their player draft is never challenged. I suppose the NRL do the same since they supply each club their salary cap.
 

King-Gutho94

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Another thing with AFL is you basically know as a kid the pathway into the AFL is a draft. AFL clubs dont have a under 16s or under 18s teams. It is state based and basically another tier with another bunch of teams

Where in league everything is linked to your Junior Rugby League area and the pathway is through the club from harold matthews to SG Ball etc.

For league to have a draft all NRL clubs will have to basically give up the junior competitions like harold matthews and SG ball and have other clubs not aligned with the NRL clubs in the state based competition be apart of that instead.
 

King-Gutho94

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Tedesco apparently said the name of a TV series.
How is that discrimination!
I was more talking about a lack of coverage around it no matter how murky it is.

If tedesco played for any other club and the media are shoving it down our throats about them being in the wrong before a full investigation is complete. But not the chooks. Uncle nick has them all under his little palm.

By the looks it seems a misinterpretation of what was said and someone passing by has been offended by a remark. Hard to prove and i am not calling for tedesco to be whacked for the sake of it just pointing out the inconsistency of the reporting.
 

hindy111

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Penrith won a comp with Dylan Edwards as their fullback. How is he better than Gutho in any way?

Different styles. They have a more attacking 5/8 and dummy half then we do. Edwards is stronger then Guth and breaks more tackles. Carries the ball harder. He just has no play making skills. They also have a halfback who controls the game better. Thou only slightly.
Same could be said for Papenhauzen
 

hindy111

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Gutherson is still a very good fullback. One thing he does well is rarely ever drops a bomb. He also brings energy to the side.
His all round game is very good. If he was faster and stronger he would cost your 1 million. Remembering guys like Milford who have been mud for 3 or 4yrs now had a reduced contract of 350k. What is Gutherson worth? 500k is a little low ball. Id suggest around the 600-650k mark. 700k would be my limit for him knowing we may have a guy in Russel plus Dufty will be looking for a club in 2023 and won't cost much more then 250-300k
 
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Already tested and seen as a restraint of trade I believe.
If you are referring to Terry Hill's challenge, that wasn't with respect to a 'rookie draft'. That was a draft affecting all players leaving their contracted club within the NRL / NSWRL. No guarantee that a court would find the same if the draft was more limited in its application.
 

Twizzle

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Is the NFL Draft Illegal?​

Is the NFL Draft Illegal?
SLA Member Submission:

Sports may be on hold for the foreseeable future due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, but that has not stopped the world of sports from moving forward. Between the early introduction of ESPN’s Michael Jordan documentary, “The Last Dance”, and the annual NFL Draft, the sports world is keeping fans at ease. This year’s NFL draft was unique compared to years past; because of the state’s restrictions on mass gatherings, the draft had to be held virtually. Sports have proved that they can work from home with the 2020 NFL Draft scoring record ratings. The Draft's first night drew a record 15.6 million viewers across majors TV networks, a 37% increase over last year. Every year is the same song and dance: the draft is held in April and sports fans watch attentively as their teams build for the future. But no one ever poses the question: is the NFL draft legal?

It is impossible to expect the average sports fan to understand the legal mechanics behind everyday league operations. The NFL draft being one of those operations that seem like a brilliant idea to promote competitive balance throughout the league, despite technically being illegal. Collegiate athletes who aim to play in the NFL are unable to market themselves in order to get the best job and the highest earning salary. They have just one place to go, the team that drafts them.

Antitrust laws are statutes developed by the U.S. government to protect consumers from predatory business practices. They ensure that fair competition exists in an open-market economy. One of the leading pieces of legislation that protects against antitrust violations is the Sherman Antitrust Act. The NFL draft itself violates section 1 of the Sherman act. Section 1 states: “[e]very contract . . . in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal.” The Draft constitutes an unreasonable restraint of trade and commerce as it allows owners to suppress salaries and prohibits owners from bidding for the best college players. If not for the draft, players would be able to negotiate a more lucrative contract prior to entering into the NFL.

Rookies have never been able to choose which team they want to go to, but prior to 2011, incoming players were able to negotiate very lucrative rookie contracts that exceeded veteran deals. Under the old collective bargaining agreement (CBA), rookies had the ability to hold out in order to maximize the amount of money their contract could be worth. This caused some teams to trade down in the draft in order to avoid paying rookies exorbitant salaries. The new CBA wanted veteran players, who were “deserving” of lucrative contract extensions, to make as much money as they possibly could. This forced rookies to follow a CBA where they have no negotiating power over their own contracts. The 2011 CBA was used as a salary suppression tactic that is a clear violation under antitrust statutes. Former first round quarterbacks like Sam Bradford and Matt Stafford were able to sign deals worth more than $70 million prior to 2011. First round quarterbacks after the new CBA were impacted dramatically, the best example being Cam Newton who, in 2011, signed a rookie deal worth more than $50 million less than those of Bradford and Stafford. So if the NFL draft is a clear antitrust violation, then how is the draft able to take place year after year?

Players in the past have challenged the NFL Draft’s legality in relation to antitrust statutes but to no prevail. The most famous case involved former first round pick James “Yazoo” Smith, who argued that he could have negotiated a more lucrative deal if it was not for the Draft. (see James Smith v. Pro-Football, 420 F. Supp. 738.) Yazoo Smith suffered a career ending neck injury in his rookie season and was only guaranteed his $50,000 under his contract rather than the money he would have been worth if he had negotiated the contract himself. Smith won in district court and was ready to win when the league appealed. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held that the “draft inescapably forces each seller of football services to deal with one, and only one buyer, robbing the seller, as in any monopsonistic market, of any real bargaining power.” But this landmark decision for Yazoo Smith, that should have eliminated amateur drafts in all professional sports, no longer mattered with the creation of the NFLPA.

The National Football League Players Association, or NFLPA, is the labor organization representing the professional American football players in the NFL. The purpose of the creations of the NFLPA in 1956 was to provide players with formal representation to negotiate compensation and the terms of a CBA. Because the NFLPA is a union, they are exempt from U.S. antitrust laws. Abusive business practices that would normally be antitrust violations suddenly become legal if they are performed as part of a collective bargaining agreement with a union. Non-statutory labor exemptions were created by Supreme Court decisions in the 1960s and 1970s. (see Meat Cutters v. Jewel Tea, 381 U.S. 676; Connell Co. v. Plumbers & Steamfitters, 421 U.S. 616.)That meant the leagues could still hold their drafts as long as they could get the unions to agree to them.

The only path to rid the league of amateur drafts that are collectively bargained for is not to sue the league, but to sue the union. NFL players have recently made significant progress to protect players’ well being in regards to player disabilities and safety, so now future players have the same opportunity to be heard. When watching the draft sports fans should always keep in mind that collegiate athletes have been systematically deprived of their bargaining power with the implementation of the NFL Draft. And remember that the NFLPA has allowed for the legality of this draft, despite it being a salary suppression tactic. The NFL draft will continue to exist, but that does not mean it is fair and equitable and hopefully future players will be incentivized to take action against the Players Union in order to bring fairness and equality when players are negotiating the value of their football related services.

Trevor Brown is a 2L at the University of New Hampshire School of Law. If you have any questions feel free to email Trevor at tb1156@unhlaw.unh.edu

please add the source
 

Matty Bhoy

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Bandwagon

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My comment still stands. The winger might not be a good fb but he'd be an even worse hooker. Hooker has become a very important & specialist position, just about as important as a half these days.

The fact that a winger might make a shit hooker doesn't mean they can easily replace a fullback. There's a reason why fullback is amongst the top earning positions, and it aint because any winger can play there.

That there's a dearth of quality hookers in the game, making them potentially harder to replace doesn't change that.
 

gaffer

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is crawley ayoub's best friend he seems to be pushing ayoubs barrow for him in trying to jack up the players money with the threat of going to play for bennet and the flippers ,Paulo the latest that wants to go north
 

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