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TheRam

TheRam

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84 Baby said:
I’d be surprised and disappointed if the club weren’t at least aware of these exercises because 2 of my past trainers both recommended them and my physio when I did my knee over 20 years ago also advised me to do them.
The caveats I’d put on them are this guy is obviously doing a sales pitch for them and so just smashes these out, so to get the same results would reduce the availability for other exercises needed as a league player, and while they do provide some pain relief, they don’t provide immediate results in strength and don’t provide protection from torque injuries that are the regular cause of these injuries in NRL.

But it terms of every poster here, I’ll recommend the first exercise in your post for very obvious reasons. Helps with hips and back too.
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I don't agree. No torque? Have you seen the 'torque' that is created by basket ball players in the sudden stop/start, pivot and changing angles and direction constantly all on a very hard surface? Is he selling himself? Sure, that is part of what we all do if we have a business, there is nothing wrong with that. If he wasn't getting results he wouldn't be getting the rave reviews from the common man to the elite professional and even celebrities like Joe Rogan who raves about him and has started to incorporate his exercise routines with Knees Over Toes techniques.

As for Aussie Physios teaching this stuff, sure there are aspects of this that others use too, but none that I know of unless really recently, that have perfected the form that is needed to get the best results that actually bullet proof you from injury. It is very specific and form is everything.

Anyway, I hope a poster from here speaks to someone at the club about this to see what they think. We have nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain. Cheers
 
84 Baby

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TheRam said:
I don't agree. No torque? Have you seen the 'torque' that is created by basket ball players in the sudden stop/start, pivot and changing angles and direction constantly all on a very hard surface? Is he selling himself? Sure, that is part of what we all do if we have a business, there is nothing wrong with that. If he wasn't getting results he wouldn't be getting the rave reviews from the common man to the elite professional and even celebrities like Joe Rogan who raves about him and has started to incorporate his exercise routines with Knees Over Toes techniques.

As for Aussie Physios teaching this stuff, sure there are aspects of this that others use too, but none that I know of unless really recently, that have perfected the form that is needed to get the best results that actually bullet proof you from injury. It is very specific and form is everything.

Anyway, I hope a poster from here speaks to someone at the club about this to see what they think. We have nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain. Cheers
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Yes I know the pressure basketball can put on knees. It’s next to zero compared to having a 100kg weight holding down your leg and 200+kgs of pressure twisting you.

A Joe Rogan endorsement probably isn’t anything to rave about.

As I said it’s not a recent thing here as my physio 20 years ago had me doing these.

They don’t bulletproof you. They may help protect against the stop/start type injuries you mentioned above, but how often do they occur in rugby league compared to the twisting in tackle? And in fact there’s a school of thought, that over strengthening for that type of injury is more likely to cause that type of injury. Don’t get me wrong, my knees are the better for it but don’t get sucked off by these YouTube fads from these types. He’s 100% only selling you half the picture.

As to the club, can’t forget there’s a cost involved in trainers. Plus the more you want this guy, the more he’ll cost. Can’t say it won’t/shouldn’t be done, but if it doesn’t happen, we’ll never likely know the reason it didn’t. Plus as I said it’s highly likely our trainers already follow this guy because that’s what professional trainers do a lot of, watch social media of different people working out.
 
TheRam

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84 Baby said:
Yes I know the pressure basketball can put on knees. It’s next to zero compared to having a 100kg weight holding down your leg and 200+kgs of pressure twisting you.

A Joe Rogan endorsement probably isn’t anything to rave about.

As I said it’s not a recent thing here as my physio 20 years ago had me doing these.

They don’t bulletproof you. They may help protect against the stop/start type injuries you mentioned above, but how often do they occur in rugby league compared to the twisting in tackle? And in fact there’s a school of thought, that over strengthening for that type of injury is more likely to cause that type of injury. Don’t get me wrong, my knees are the better for it but don’t get sucked off by these YouTube fads from these types. He’s 100% only selling you half the picture.

As to the club, can’t forget there’s a cost involved in trainers. Plus the more you want this guy, the more he’ll cost. Can’t say it won’t/shouldn’t be done, but if it doesn’t happen, we’ll never likely know the reason it didn’t. Plus as I said it’s highly likely our trainers already follow this guy because that’s what professional trainers do a lot of, watch social media of different people working out.
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You obviously haven't watch his tutorials enough to realise that he covers all your concerns and shows how these techniques when practiced correctly, do bullet proof you as much as is possible from your toes to your neck. Also without knowing the actual statistics, many ACL injuries happen without a opposing hand on the player and simply happen by a player making a sudden change in direction. These types of injuries are almost totally preventable if we can believe Ben Patrick and his ATG program.

Anyway, neither of us are experts, we are just giving our honest opinion. May I recommend you watch a good lot of his videos before you make a decision on the validity of what he is offering. Maybe you might rethink your position.
 
84 Baby

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TheRam said:
You obviously haven't watch his tutorials enough to realise that he covers all your concerns and shows how these techniques when practiced correctly, do bullet proof you as much as is possible from your toes to your neck. Also without knowing the actual statistics, many ACL injuries happen without a opposing hand on the player and simply happen by a player making a sudden change in direction. These types of injuries are almost totally preventable if we can believe Ben Patrick and his ATG program.

Anyway, neither of us are experts, we are just giving our honest opinion. May I recommend you watch a good lot of his videos before you make a decision on the validity of what he is offering. Maybe you might rethink your position.
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Mate he’s selling you a fad as much as the guy who says all the exercise you need is the chair squats, or the caveman diet, or whatever was the fad before social media. Or even old mate with his trampolines.
Sure they have some merit, I’ve being doing this one on and off for 20 years, and yes I did watch the videos, but they’re not the panacea for all things athletic.

Edit -case in point, I’ve done his exercises but am currently dealing with some wrist RSI from clicking mouse at work and professional level wanking I do.
 
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chiefy1

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TheRam said:
I've been thinking about this on and off during the summer and I almost didn't post this, but seeing that our season basically hangs on the health and availability of a chronically injury prone veteran hooker, I decided to run it up the flagpole and see what happens.

There is a guy named Ben Patrick that I believe is probably the best strength and rehabilitation trainer I have ever seen. His program is called Athletics Truth Group (ATG) Knees Over Toes Guy. His ATG training focuses on building strength and conditioning while simultaneously bullet proofing the body from injury. It is also a training method that develops incredible athletic ability including explosiveness and even gaining more speed.

As far as I can tell, I don't think any club in the NRL uses his techniques, other then there was a strength coach at the Roosters named Keegan Smith, a student of Charles Poliquin (The guy Ben Patrick has modelled a lot of his techniques on) in 2019 when they won the Premiership, that did his own lesser version of it, that Patrick became aware of and reach out to him and they have since become friends, but has now left the Roosters and the NRL and does his own thing heavily based on Ben Patrick's philosophies.

I could not do these techniques justice trying to explain them other then they are very simple and that there is no pain involved and walking backwards is a huge part in doing them. Patrick himself was a basket ball player and had shot his knees from the age of 14 and by the time he was 21 he was done and could barely walk. Even when he was playing he could never dunk a basket, he just didn't have that type of explosiveness, but you should see hem now.

He trains the everyday common man no matter what age or condition they are in to the very elite professional athletes of American sports. His ATG program that he has refined and perfected has only been around for around 10 years and he has gone from total obscurity to around a million followers in a handful of years. He is also still young and when you watch some of his videos he is blowing away some of the most powerful athletes that just can't keep up with him.

Anyway, the main purpose for this post is knowing that some of you here have contacts within our club, maybe after seeing for yourselves what this guy does and what he can achieve, that you may mention to someone at the club to check him out. I mean not only would our dummy half potentially eradicate a reoccurrence of another ACL injury, but these techniques also can add speed and that all to vital explosiveness off the mark that is such a gift to have in the NRL.

Also a player like Moses could benefit immensely by strengthening his calf muscles that he has had trouble with in recent seasons and even add more power to his speed off the mark without fear of tearing calves, hamstrings or Achilles tendons. As we get older calves only get worse not better and are known as 'old man injuries'.

So I will add a few links to this guys videos and please check them out. Like I said, I think this guy is the best I have seen and many of his techniques are contrary to what other trainers prescribe. But the proof is in the pudding. The more you watch and listen to him, the more it all makes sense and is so damn logical. Oh and it doesn't take long to achieve the benefits, so starting now for our players would still see great improvements for this season. Cheers





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This guy is the guru of knee and back pain. I'd start very slowly but he is being recognized by some of the best physiotherapists around.the world.
Forget the crack your back chiropractor. This is the real deal.
 
hindy111

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We are currently 7th in betting before season kicks off.
Brisbane and Manly are not far off. Id say if we lost our first two games they'd end up above us. We arent given much of a chance tbh.
 
Twizzle

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TheRam said:
Yeah I have no idea what my settings are doing and this site sucks to much for me to care.

Oh and as you you my little buddy...

You are my sunshine
My only sunshine
You make me happy
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You'll never know, dear Hindy
How much I miss you
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its not the site that sucks, its peole stealing our income by using ad blockers

now that you have turned it off, you will receive those priviliges back after a period or time
 
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