Rumours and Stuff

[84 Baby]

Actually on possession, Hodgson’s errors and penalties have been a key contributor to our reduced possession

 

[84 Baby]

No, the entire analysis was based on our performance with and without possession.

Did you read to the end?

 

[Gronk]

Did you read to the end?

I did and it was suggested that maybe the time on the field that the % Hands and Hodgson spend might be best to be switched. I have no issue with that and without going back to check, IIRC BA has already done that. Last week Hands played the greater @ 50 mins ?

 

[84 Baby]

I did and it was suggested that maybe the time on the field that the % Hands and Hodgson spend might be best to be switched. I have no issue with that and without going back to check, IIRC BA has already done that. Last week Hands played the greater @ 50 mins ?

So the entire analysis wasn’t based on our performance with and without the ball, but in fact delved into an individual analysis of a key contributor, I.e. Hodgson has been shit?

 

[TheRam]

The NRL stopping clubs doing it.... there is a % they can't go under their current value And 1.1 vs 800k is a fair size difference..

I think people are missing the big picture.

Wighton signs on for the 1st two years at $800K, then in years 3 and 4 his salary is bumped up to $1.2m. So this then totals over the 4 years to an average of $1m. Which the NRL will deem as an acceptable difference and fair market value, just as they did with our offer to Moses compared to what the Tigers were desperately offering. Whighton himself has reasoned that the $100K shortfall per season is something that he can live with if it gives him the opportunity to have a decent shot at a title before he dies and he gets to play with his Souths mates too.

The Rabbits will be more then capable of doing this because they expect both Walker and Cook to have retired then and there is no way that they will be paying whoever they replace them with what both those guys are currently on over those two final years of Wightons deal.

Pretty simple really and logical.

The little Devil on my left shoulder though keeps telling me what if the Rabbits win it this year, which they have a very realistic chance of doing so? What then? Will the Rabbits have the same thirst or hunger to back it up again in 2024 or 2025? I seriously don't think so, a lot of their players aren't the type. But the Angel on my right shoulder keeps telling me not to listen to the angry little red pitched forked Father of Lies and keeps yelling across my shoulder for him to shut the 'F' up.

Best laid plans and all, best laid plans.

 

[Gronk]

So the entire analysis wasn’t based on our performance with and without the ball, but in fact delved into an individual analysis of a key contributor, I.e. Hodgson has been shit?

It touched on Hodgson but wasn't written to be all about him. Only the blinkered would read it as that.

Hodgson has been bad. But you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater. We had to find a way to give Reed a rest and now many of you are ignoring that logic and want to throw a 5 game rookie into the deep end, just because he did OK vs a shithouse Dogs side.

Hands playing 80 mins vs Newcastle is a dumb idea and will only cause the very problems you are trying to avoid. It's not as if Hodgson on the bench is keeping another from being selected, because we have no depth. So why not throw him on ? Even if it's 15 before 1/2 time and 15 after ? How else are you going to look after your rookie hooker in the final 20 mins ?

 

[TheRam]

How much do the NRL say Moses is worth?

On a good day $1m. On a bad day a flea infested, arse squirting dogs vomit.

 

[TheRam]

No, the entire analysis was based on our performance with and without possession.

Read it again mate. Read it again.

 

[Gronk]

Read it again mate. Read it again.

Through your eyes or mine ?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I’m pretty sure that analysis indicated that Hodgson is shit. Perhaps you should read it again.

It indicated our whole team has been shit, because we haven't controlled the ball. The one who has suffered the most from this has been Hodgson. Therefore if we complete our sets it will be better for us (and him).

 

[TheRam]

Bottom line though as the season is unfolding and as many here have predicted, we stink at hooker and no one at the club is a real capable option. It has become a train wreck of a deficiency.

We as supporters including me, but not Pou or Gronk, were scratching our heads from the moment we signed Hodgson and were lamenting the decision especially since there were definitely way better candidates on the market then him that were available.

Well no one wins a premiership without a quality dummy half. Add in the lack of go forward with only 2 quality props and the lack of quality in 2 of our outside back positions, then it is pretty obvious that we will be struggling to get out of the bottom 4 by seasons end.

Our clubs coaching staff and recruit and retention committee have totally ballsed it all up. We are amateur fans who saw this train wreck coming so how the hell did they not? It wasn't all that hard. It wasn't like we had quality players that have lost form for whatever reason as sometimes happens and the team suffers because of it. These deficiencies were/are brighter then the sun for all to see. Then we chose to fix them with nobodies and a broken down geriatric.

We are a joke. I doubt that they will even know how to address it for next season let alone this. Glacier and Potato head will make sure of it.

I wish our club had the balls to sack Potato Head right now and insert Flanagan. The man is a talent no matter what people think of him and he is the sort of coach that can run the whole show from juniors to NRL and he is now a media guy which can only be of benefit as well and the Fox team at the very least will treat us much better for it, especially derps like Ennis.

We should never have extended the potato head again. I just can't believe how we have squandered our premiership window like this. I feel so deflated. This club just can not get things right. I basically have stopped watch us play. All I ever do now is just forward our games to the end. Then switch off. Thanks Potato Head and Parra management you really know how to treat your fans. But obviously management couldn't give a toss as long as they can string enough people along to keep turning up, Potato Head is safe. So in other words Potato Head is safe till the end of his contract.

Thank God for the Dolphins this season. They shame our clubs management big time. Fins Up!!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There’s no doubt with more possession Hodgson would be better. IN ATTACK. But other then reduced workload, his defence would still be awful

I think it's only awful under fatigue. With more possession that will be less of a factor. Look at Brendan Hands' sole 80-minute defensive performance this year. Every week he has a fairly low work rate with a corresponding tackle effectiveness over 85% (on two occasions it was 100%). But against the Bulldogs, one of the weakest attacking teams, his effectiveness was down at 80%. Fatigue gets everyone, in the middle at least.

 

[hindy111]

I’m pretty sure that analysis indicated that Hodgson is shit. Perhaps you should read it again.

He is annoying hey.

 

[Gronk]

We as supporters including me, but not Pou or Gronk, were scratching our heads from the moment we signed Hodgson and were lamenting the decision especially since there were definitely way better candidates on the market then him that were available.

I'll take: Things that never happened for $400, please.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Actually on possession, Hodgson’s errors and penalties have been a key contributor to our reduced possession

He has only made five errors in seven games. It's not a stat that hookers typically accumulate a lot of, which is a big part of why the position is important, given they literally touch the ball more than anyone else. The only one in the top 50 in the NRL for errors is Mahoney.

As for penalties, it's tempting to assume that they are all accidental negative outcomes caused by ill discipline, but if you look at the top 50 most penalised players you'll see plenty of smart, experienced operators there: https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2023&stat=1000026

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It touched on Hodgson but wasn't written to be all about him. Only the blinkered would read it as that.

ChatGPT didn't even think of it as central to the article. It did seem like some random digression, like the author took off his analyst hat and put on his footy fan hat. Then the criticism of Arthur was just an afterthought unsupported by the evidence presented.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We as supporters including me, but not Pou or Gronk, were scratching our heads from the moment we signed Hodgson

So you have been primed to blame him for the team's struggles, no doubt like the author of the article. Because of your preconception you aren't looking at things objectively. Merkins whinging about Hodgson's defence against the Broncos and not noticing RCG's was worse, or that Paulo only made a tackle every four minutes in a game where we were targeted in the middle.

 

[Avenger]

It indicated our whole team has been shit, because we haven't controlled the ball. The one who has suffered the most from this has been Hodgson. Therefore if we complete our sets it will be better for us (and him).

Does he miss his tackles because he’s shit or is that the team’s fault too?

 

[King-Gutho94]

I think people are missing the big picture.

Wighton signs on for the 1st two years at $800K, then in years 3 and 4 his salary is bumped up to $1.2m. So this then totals over the 4 years to an average of $1m. Which the NRL will deem as an acceptable difference and fair market value, just as they did with our offer to Moses compared to what the Tigers were desperately offering. Whighton himself has reasoned that the $100K shortfall per season is something that he can live with if it gives him the opportunity to have a decent shot at a title before he dies and he gets to play with his Souths mates too.

The Rabbits will be more then capable of doing this because they expect both Walker and Cook to have retired then and there is no way that they will be paying whoever they replace them with what both those guys are currently on over those two final years of Wightons deal.

Pretty simple really and logical.

The little Devil on my left shoulder though keeps telling me what if the Rabbits win it this year, which they have a very realistic chance of doing so? What then? Will the Rabbits have the same thirst or hunger to back it up again in 2024 or 2025? I seriously don't think so, a lot of their players aren't the type. But the Angel on my right shoulder keeps telling me not to listen to the angry little red pitched forked Father of Lies and keeps yelling across my shoulder for him to shut the 'F' up.

Best laid plans and all, best laid plans.

If souths win it this year then Poor Jack might have to settle with a possible World Club Challenge but no premiership.

 

[Twizzle]

We could offer them Hodgson too

or just throw him in for free