Rumours and Stuff

[Incorrect]

Whatever happens, the Roosters planned it that way.

That has no ring to it at all... Get a better mantra

 

[TheRam]

NRL clubs have a literal budget on how much they can spend. Whatever bonuses they get from external resourcing (reducing player costs under the cap), is out of the hands of employees such as O'Neill. They can spend no more than the cap but also must spend over 97% of it, so the 'purse strings' are not a factor. He's not being stingy, he is limited by the salary cap ffs

Mate if you don't think it comes down to the negotiators in the end for many players and how the club is perceived overall then you aren't living in reality. Obviously the money has to be similar too on most occasions.

O'Neil is seen as a di*k to work with, and our club has a mediocrity stink all over it that is being coached by a decent bloke but not a great coach. Unless we can bring in people that can change that perception and bring back a real vibe of quality and success then we will always struggle to get the elite player compared to the more fancied sides like Souths and the Roosters.

Like I have said before, we are almost there but we just haven't got the right man/people at the top and coach that can finally move the needle that last bit and if we don't do it real soon we run the risk of going backwards in a major way if our juniors don't pan out to be as good as people are expecting which has been the case more often then not.

Money talks obviously, but people can and do influence and sometimes make money less important. We need to be one of those types of clubs that players don't want to leave and really mean it and are willing to sacrifice some of their earnings like Manu at the Roosters who announced that he was staying for way less then what he would have been offered on the open market earlier this year, and a club that juniors from all over the country think of us as a primary destination that they would be honoured and privileged to ne part of and developed by.

This is not an impossible dream for a club like ours but should have been and should be our reality if we got our sh*t together and hired the right people and or not let our best people walk when we had them only to see them set the world on fire at other clubs like Matt Cameron which I shake my head every time I think of what we have lost by not having this guy involved with our club. Since his departure we have basically produced very little at junior level. I know there were others of quality at the club when he was here too, but he really is a major loss. If we had kept him then he would have attracted the right type of others too just like when he was here. Anyway what is done is done. Now we have MON the man, the myth, the glacier.

Stop being a simp for the club mate you're just constantly embarrassing yourself. You should know that at your age. I don't like having to talk to a grown man like he is a child ffs!

People make organisations not just money.

 

[hindy111]

Yep Bethams gone. Be interesting to see how he goes in the future. Best of luck to him.

 

[84 Baby]

O'Neil is seen as a di*k to work with

By you? Because I’ve heard the complete opposite.
Whether he’s good at his job is a separate question and past indiscretions with @Tiger5150 aside.
I suppose certain player agents have issues with him, but I suspect that comes from the player agent side.
Part of me wonders whether he’d be better off being more of a dick

 

[JokerEel]

Yep Bethams gone. Be interesting to see how he goes in the future. Best of luck to him.

R&R are serious f**ked if they can't see he added more than some of these other nuffies signed over the last 2 seasons.

Perfect player to bring on and up the energy levels during a game. Same mold as the wanker that went from the Panthers to the Roosters for next year.

 

[hindy111]

R&R are serious f**ked if they can't see he added more than some of these other nuffies signed over the last 2 seasons.

Perfect player to bring on and up the energy levels during a game. Same mold as the wanker that went from the Panthers to the Roosters for next year.

Time will tell I guess. Interesting to see if any clubs chase him. Sound like he wanted a top 30 spot and we couldn't give him one.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Time will tell I guess. Interesting to see if any clubs chase him. Sound like he wanted a top 30 spot and we couldn't give him one.

Having come across that kid at my previous job about 12-18 months. Where he did some part time labouring work at a transport company. He seemed like he was with the pixies.

I just didn't feel like he had the mentality and drive to be anything special really other then he is size.

Even though its not RL you can get a good sense of someone in a workplace. I just dont feel he had any drive going for him. He seemed dopey.

The storm send all new recruits to job sites before they start so Bellamy can get a guide on what there like before they start.

 

[Gazzamatta]

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Having come across that kid at my previous job about 12-18 months. Where he did some part time labouring work at a transport company. He seemed like he was with the pixies.

I just didn't feel like he had the mentality and drive to be anything special really other then he is size.

Even though its not RL you can get a good sense of someone in a workplace. I just dont feel he had any drive going for him. He seemed dopey.

The storm send all new recruits to job sites before they start so Bellamy can get a guide on what there like before they start.

$500k per season Kane Evans comes to mind when one considers dopeyness. Maybe we (BA) learned our (his) lesson?

 

[Glenneel]

Your missing the point. Morgan Harper quality is not the issue. The issue is his level should be easy to find within our huge junior base.
Let's look at Manly who let him go and their backs.

They bought these guys thru their system -

Turbo Tom
Koula
Parker
Garrick
Toupoluito

Then recruited
SAAB
Jason Paulo
T. Talau

I think all 8 of these guys make our 17 or atleast push.

Look at who we've bought thru.

Penisni - Excellent
Russel - OK and potential
Dunster - Hard to judge due to Injury but was hardly a star in the making. Maybe a solid player.

So we've recruited guys. And the level is

Simmonson
Sivo
Cini
Lumelume


I'm sure you can see the issue right? We had nothing in the pipeline and recruited guys who had no real potential.
We got lucky with Sivo being decent but was just a cheap buy.
I'm questioning why we aren't producing guys who are atleast Cini, Simmonson,Harpers level on a consistent basis. It isn't a high bar.

Lumelume not in top 30 thank goodness.

 

[hineyrulz]

And retaining our promising juniors over promoting journey men. JJBM (the hyphen) has apparently left and we're prompted Ogden and Rodwell who'll probably not be there next year. You can't keep them all but surely a very promising junior should have been kept over one of these players.

Development club.

 

[hineyrulz]

Time will tell I guess. Interesting to see if any clubs chase him. Sound like he wanted a top 30 spot and we couldn't give him one.

Just as well we have smart purchases like Mummamoasia or Rodwell in the top 30 or we really would be f**ked.

 

[hindy111]

Having come across that kid at my previous job about 12-18 months. Where he did some part time labouring work at a transport company. He seemed like he was with the pixies.

I just didn't feel like he had the mentality and drive to be anything special really other then he is size.

Even though its not RL you can get a good sense of someone in a workplace. I just dont feel he had any drive going for him. He seemed dopey.

The storm send all new recruits to job sites before they start so Bellamy can get a guide on what there like before they start.

Sounds like he needed a good mentor mate.
Hopefully someone like Ivan can pick him up.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Sounds like he needed a good mentor mate.
Hopefully someone like Ivan can pick him up.

Maybe but he looked like a young kid that had no work ethic or desire about him.

Yes its different to RL but still i feel its still a good guide in life.

I doubt he will make it in my personal opinion and not fussed we haven't kept him.

 

[Lemon Squash]

I liked JJBM as a player but I had heard his attitude wasn't the greatest.. @King-Gutho94 comments seeing him first hand in a working environment seem to back that up.

 

[the phantom menace]

The storm send all new recruits to job sites before they start so Bellamy can get a guide on what there like before they start.

Seriously? That makes a lot of sense... and it could get our Centre of Excellence built a lot quicker!

Guess it's things like that that make certain head coaches that cut above your average run of the mill guys.

 

[84 Baby]

Guess it's things like that that make certain head coaches that cut above your average run of the mill guys.

Who organised JJBM to deliver shit to KG?

 

[the phantom menace]

You tell me... 84 Pou

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Whatever happens, the Roosters planned it that way.

They did the right thing!!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And retaining our promising juniors over promoting journey men. JJBM (the hyphen) has apparently left and we're prompted Ogden and Rodwell who'll probably not be there next year. You can't keep them all but surely a very promising junior should have been kept over one of these players.

Hardly ‘very promising’. Good on him for playing reserve grade at 21 but JJBM did f**k all in that grade. Rodwell and Ogden were significantly better, and will offer more in first grade if required.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Mate if you don't think it comes down to the negotiators in the end for many players and how the club is perceived overall then you aren't living in reality. Obviously the money has to be similar too on most occasions.

O'Neil is seen as a di*k to work with, and our club has a mediocrity stink all over it that is being coached by a decent bloke but not a great coach. Unless we can bring in people that can change that perception and bring back a real vibe of quality and success then we will always struggle to get the elite player compared to the more fancied sides like Souths and the Roosters.

Like I have said before, we are almost there but we just haven't got the right man/people at the top and coach that can finally move the needle that last bit and if we don't do it real soon we run the risk of going backwards in a major way if our juniors don't pan out to be as good as people are expecting which has been the case more often then not.

Money talks obviously, but people can and do influence and sometimes make money less important. We need to be one of those types of clubs that players don't want to leave and really mean it and are willing to sacrifice some of their earnings like Manu at the Roosters who announced that he was staying for way less then what he would have been offered on the open market earlier this year, and a club that juniors from all over the country think of us as a primary destination that they would be honoured and privileged to ne part of and developed by.

This is not an impossible dream for a club like ours but should have been and should be our reality if we got our sh*t together and hired the right people and or not let our best people walk when we had them only to see them set the world on fire at other clubs like Matt Cameron which I shake my head every time I think of what we have lost by not having this guy involved with our club. Since his departure we have basically produced very little at junior level. I know there were others of quality at the club when he was here too, but he really is a major loss. If we had kept him then he would have attracted the right type of others too just like when he was here. Anyway what is done is done. Now we have MON the man, the myth, the glacier.

Stop being a simp for the club mate you're just constantly embarrassing yourself. You should know that at your age. I don't like having to talk to a grown man like he is a child ffs!

People make organisations not just money.

I agree with all of that, my point was just that “opening the purse strings” isn’t a choice for Mark O’Neill. Clubs have to spend between 97.5% and 100% of the salary cap. They don’t have the option of spending more or less than that.