Rumours and Stuff

[Happy MEel]

Do I??? Proof please??? Just because I think De Gois is a plodder and our other options are average doesn't mean that at all. Mc happy Meal summed it up really well where I thInk our spine is at. But no every post that doesn't gush over the club and everything it does it just whinging isn't it???

Thanks Hiney...and it's just Happy MEel

 

[Ivor]

I think you merkins are confusing a lack of strength with a weakness. De Gois is neither a weakness in defence (work rate or effectiveness) nor in attack (errors).

He isn't a key point of attack for us (like Norman, Ma'u, Radradra or Edwards) but you can only have so many of those before you are unable to get your money's worth out of them.

Our structure doesn't rely on a running threat from dummy half. If we had such a player we would need to pay him accordingly, and if we had that much committed to our cap we would need to include extra dummy half runs into our gameplan. That would take opportunities away from other key attackers (Norman, Edwards, etc) and we want to get our money's worth out of them.

I think this emphasises the point that, despite the over-structuring and micro-management of the modern game, we still see different styles of players within each position on the field. And this, in turn, modifies a teams strategies and systems in attack and defence. Just because 'the spine' has seemingly become so integral to a team's performance doesn't mean that each spine member has to be a superstar. My only problem with our team as it stands is that two of our 'spine players' (French and Gutherson) are as yet unproven in their positions on a week-in, week-out basis over an entire season. But if they are successful, having a solid, no-frills hooker like De Gois is fine. I'm more concerned about our lack of depth in the hooking department, than about De Gois, himself. I think Pritchard is shit. And I haven't seen enough of Cameron King to make a call, but he hasn't exactly been bashing the door down, has he?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Perhaps you could start with your top 100

1. Savoury Carrot Pudding
2. Savoury Zucchini Pudding
3. Savoury Tomato Pudding
4. Savoury Carrot and Zucchini and Tomato Pudding
5. Savoury Cabbage Pudding
6. Savoury Cabbage and Tomato Pudding
7. Savoury Pork Pudding
8. Savoury Pork and Cabbage Pudding
9. Savoury Lamb Pudding
10. Savoury Lamb and Pork Pudding
11. Savoury Lamb and Carrot Pudding
12. Savoury Strider is a merkin Pudding
13. Savoury Lamb, Cabbage and Tomato Pudding
14. Savoury Potato Pudding
15. Savoury Sweet Potato Pudding
16. Savoury Potato and Sweet Potato Pudding
17. Savoury Pork and Potato Pudding
18. Savoury Lamb and Potato Pudding
19. Savoury Pork and Sweet Potato Pudding
20. Savoury Lamb and Sweet Potato Pudding
21. Savoury Kangaroo Pudding
22. Savoury Alligator Pudding
23. Savoury Crocodile Pudding
24. Savoury American Bison Pudding
25. Savoury Carabao Pudding
26. Savoury Beef Pudding
27. Savoury Water Buffalo Pudding
28. Savoury Yak Pudding
29. Savoury Alpaca Pudding
30. Savoury Goat Pudding
31. Savoury Dog Pudding
32. Savoury Cat Pudding
33. Savoury Donkey Pudding
34. Savoury Horse Pudding
35. Savoury Zebra Pudding
36. Savoury Rabbit Pudding
37. Savoury Hare Pudding
38. Savoury Guniea Pig Pudding
39. Savoury Edible Dormouse Pudding
40. Savoury Moose Pudding
41. Savoury Reindeer Pudding
42. Savoury Fallow Deer Pudding
43. Savoury Elk Pudding
44. Savoury Chicken Pudding
45. Savoury Duck Pudding
46. Savoury Goose Pudding
47. Savoury Turkey Pudding
48. Savoury Quail Pudding
49. Savoury Pigeon Pudding
50. Savoury Guineafowl Pudding
51. Savoury Ostrich Pudding
52. Savoury Emu Pudding
53. Savoury Carp Pudding
54. Savoury Barramundi Pudding
55. Savoury Catfish Pudding
56. Savoury Tuna Pudding
57. Savoury Salmon Pudding
58. Savoury Cod Pudding
59. Savoury Flake Pudding
60. Savoury Tilapia Pudding
61. Savoury Gummy Shark Pudding
62. Savoury Sting Ray Pudding
63. Savoury Fish Roe Pudding
64. Savoury Chapuline Pudding
65. Savoury Maguey Worm Pudding
66. Savoury Mopane Worm Pudding
67. Savoury Silkworm Pudding
68. Savoury Locust Pudding
69. Savoury Grasshopper Pudding
70. Savoury Crayfish Pudding
71. Savoury Lobster Pudding
72. Savoury Shrimp Pudding
73. Savoury Prawn Pudding
74. Savoury Oyster Pudding
75. Savoury Abalone Pudding
76. Savoury Corn Pudding
77. Savoury Crab Pudding
78. Savoury Corn and Crab Pudding
79. Savoury Green Tomato Pudding
80. Savoury Black Pudding Pudding
81. Savoury White Pudding Pudding
82. Savoury White Pudding and Black Pudding Pudding
83. Savoury White Pudding and Black Pudding Pudding with a Pudding Jus
84. Savoury Mussel Pudding
85. Savoury Pippi Pudding
86. Savoury Mussel and Chilli Pudding
87. Savoury Chilli Pudding
88. Savoury Snail Pudding
89. Savoury Frog Pudding
90. Savoury Turtle Pudding
91. Savoury Hommus Pudding
92. Savoury Baba Ghanoush Pudding
93. Savoury Sausage Pudding
94. Savoury Meatball Pudding
95. Savoury Cheese Pudding
96. Savoury Pickle Pudding
97. Savoury Gherkin Pudding
98. Savoury Tripe Pudding
99. Savoury Cornbeef pudding
100. Savoury Smoked Ham Pudding

 

[Ivor]

Kicking game.

I think it's stupid to talk about positions being a strength or weakness, as though they are used the same way on every team. Better to talk about roles or capabilities. In our case our kicking game is the capability most likely to hurt our competitiveness. That doesn't mean our weakness is at 'halfback' or 'five-eighth', because we have enough playmaking, and our defence will be solid three in from the sideline on either side of the field.

I assume your opinion is that our weakness is 'dummy half running', but running from dummy half is not essential for success - look at the Sharks last year. Running from dummy half is no different to running at first receiver - it is targeting the same part of the defensive line.

Apologies for the essay but oversimplifying things to make a point is why you merkins seem so stupid so often. I've made clear I refuse to indulge truisms, no matter how ingrained they are.

It's good to see you indulging in the truism that a halfback is different to a five-eight (even if they have to be dressed in inverted commas).

 

[jk13]

So puddin has a 100 new nicknames?

 

[84 Baby]

That's the worst top 100 savoury pudding list I have ever seen. There's no way that top 20 is top 100 let alone top 20

 

[Gary Gutful]

Out come the arm chair pudding experts.

Wouldn't know a decent savoury pudding if one came along and rodgered them in the backside....

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I'd like to see a list of some of the savoury puddings that didn't make the top 100...Perhaps 101 to 1000?

 

[84 Baby]

Out come the arm chair pudding experts.

Wouldn't know a decent savoury pudding if one came along and rodgered them in the backside....

Let's be honest here, the only good savoury puddings are the ones that give your backside a rodgering

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Ennis was far from a plodder last year. His running game is average but IMO he engages the markers better than pretty much every hooker (bar smith). He also has a crisper pass than IDG and reads a game much better. The fact he's effective on the field for 80 minutes also allows an extra forward or attacking utility on the bench.

Sure he's a better player than De Gois. The point is he's the same type of player.

Oh yeah, last year's grand finalists also had a little hooker named Jake Granville.

It was the year before, and is irrelevant. Unless every good team has player(s) like him at dummy half for 80 minutes my point stands - you can have a player like McCullough/Ennis/Kostjasyn/De Gois in your 17.

And because our defence relies on speed and workrate in the middle we are likely to carry an extra dummy half anyway. Last year that was Pritchard. He made more metres than Ennis in slightly fewer runs in a third of the minutes. Pritchard and De Gois complement each other well.

 

[hindy111]

Its now or never for Kaysa.Should be very interesting to see how he goes.
430 odd mins over the last 2 seasons in his first grade career. You wonder why BA has nursed him along and easing him into it. Afterall he doesnt rate him right? Lol

I feel Kaysa will suprise.
Hindy111 has spoken. Now lets back our players rather then winge bithces.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No actually i think our weakness at dummy half is the lack of ability to engage the markers / A defender. If your dummy half does this it opens up more space for the person running 1 off the ruck.

You think De Gois doesn't know how to engage the markers? Do you think he's learnt nothing in his 200+ NRL games? He engages the markers just fine.

Here's an example of him doing just that.

Ennis a plodder? He had an excellent season. He is good defensively and was outstanding in attack; 2 tries, 12 try assists, 7 LBA's and 2 line breaks.

Stats I'd expect to see from a dummy half whose team plays up the middle. Ours plays on the edges, so there is less need for a dummy half to ballplay, because we want the ball getting to our edge playmakers quickly.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Sure...but whilst Norman is very good, I wouldn't class him as a superstar (and he isn't paid as one) and either are Guth and French. All three are competent but with that calibre of spine we need a better first choice hooker than what IDG offers us.

We can also give Ma'u and Edwards early ball and they will create something on the edges. Most teams don't even have one player like that, whereas we have two.

Don't assume we have to play like other teams. It's very narrow minded. Arthur has his philosophy (much like how Hasler structured Manly) and he picks players to fit into that.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Holly crap.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...king-13-million-nrl-deal-20170128-gu0lap.html

Wests Tigers teen Moses Suli signs record-breaking deal
SMH.com.au
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January 29, 2017 - 9:34 am

Moses Suli has just become the highest-paid player yet to play NRL.

The teenager, considered one of the most promising youngsters in the game, signed a three-year extension, believed to be worth $1.3 million, on Friday to remain at Wests Tigers. The deal is all the more remarkable given he has made just two National Youth Competition appearances, neither of which he was able to finish due to back issues.

What a stupid article. $1.3M over three years isn't the same as $1.3M per year. And even $1.3M wouldn't be the highest paid player in the NRL these days.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Or, with the amount we are currently spending on our spine we should certainly be able to afford a hooker that offers competent defence and attack, which will complement Norman regardless of any improvement he has in him.

Or should we have saved the money and spent it on a better right side half?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Cowboys have Coen Hess coming into team. From the little I saw of him he is a great, and probably better, player than Tamou just lacking the experience. However has a very experienced team around him.

Regarding experience has anybody done a correlation between experience (number of NRL games played by whole squad) and winning the grand final? Is there a cut off point where the odds of winning the GF is almost impossible because team is too inexperienced? If so than Parra are probably up against it has many reasonably young players.

I know for a fact the coaching staff have firm beliefs about the mix of players required for success, and one of those is a certain number of players with a lot of experience. This is why guys like De Gois, Scott, Gordon (last year) and Fritchard were brought into our squad, despite some of our best players (e.g. Radradra, Ma'u) having less than 100 games experience.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Peats.

Agreed. And with Radradra gone we will probably have the money for him. Hopefully he doesn't cost overs though. With our structure it's not an area where we want to be paying big money.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There were 2 in the top 10 in 2016 and 2 in the top 10 in 2015. One of those was Ennis (=2nd) who Pou reckons is a plodder

No you reckon he's a plodder because of his lack of speed out of dummy half.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yep, I'm sorry. I meant Tuivasa Sheck. My apologies. He's the one I meant was over-rated. Good player but not anywhere near a star yet in my opinion.

I thought he was a superstar when he left the Roosters. Then he went to the Warriors where the culture is shit and his form dropped for whatever reason. After he did his ACL his form was even worse.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Ah ........ my apologies to DIBS. I meant Roger Tuivasa Sheck (who I believe is somewhat over-rated). I must have been having a seniors moment. I tell myself I don't have them, but obviously I do. Sorry, DIBS.

He went over there after a stand out season at the Roosters but couldn't continue that form. I'm Obscene Assassin, why are you calling me dibs? Or DIBS rather?