Rumours and Stuff

[84 Baby]

nah you are right....this is squad is working well for you. Why would you change anything?

We did change some things. You may have missed it. Ask your mate Bunji about it.

 

[Gronk]

The man was simply the most talented footballer I have ever seen, but unfortunately he played for a team that never had the right people in charge on or off the field to sort out his selfish traits and demons.

You had me until the bolded bit.

Sorry, but it's not other people's fault that he failed to reach his potential. That's a cop out. He was extremely well paid and the results (unfortunately) speak for themselves.

As you say, he had selfish traits and demons. Agree with that.

JT suffered from shit squads around him, but he dragged the Nth Qld side by it's balls into finals contention in 8 of 13 years and got 2 comps.

 

[Gronk]

Will Hayne ever be inducted into the NRL Hall of Fame?

Well you just need to isolate his achievements at club, state and international level to determine if he achieved enough. Did he ?

You don’t get indicted inducted for extremely good moments. You get inducted for a consistent high level of achievement.

Jarryd Hayne - Playing Career - RLP

A summary of the career stats for Jarryd Hayne, a rugby league player who represented Australia, Fiji, NSW, NSW City, Aus PM XIII and NRL, and also played for the Parramatta Eels and the Gold Coast Titans.

www.rugbyleagueproject.org

 

[Eelementary]

You had me until the bolded bit.

Sorry, but it's not other people's fault that he failed to reach his potential. That's a cop out. He was extremely well paid and the results (unfortunately) speak for themselves.

As you say, he had selfish traits and demons. Agree with that.

JT suffered from shit squads around him, but he dragged the Nth Qld side by it's balls into finals contention in 8 of 13 years and got 2 comps.

With all due respect, JT was a half - way easier to influence a game, than at fullback.

Also, while the Cowboys underperformed from 2008 to about 2012, their squad aril featured players like Matt Scott, Steven Southern, Luke O'Donnell, Matt Bowen, James Tamou, Willie Tonga...

Hayne has halves like Jeff Robson, Luke Kelly, Daniel Mortimer, Casey McGuire, Ben Roberts, and Chris Sandow to work with, and stellar backline names such as Ken Sio, Chris Walker, Cheyse Blair...

Not to mention such intimidating forward presences as Mitchell Allgood, Rory Brien, Shane Shackleton...

I agree that JT dragged the Cowboys out of mediocrity, but he had help.

The quality of Hayne's teammates was abysmal.

Hayne's high salary, combined with how bad we were, meant we couldn't sign quality to complement him, and we couldn't develop a player to save our lives.

It's a crying shame, tbh.

 

[Eelementary]

Well you just need to isolate his achievements at club, state and international level to determine if he achieved enough. Did he ?

You don’t get indicted inducted for extremely good moments. You get inducted for a consistent high level of achievement.

Jarryd Hayne - Playing Career - RLP

A summary of the career stats for Jarryd Hayne, a rugby league player who represented Australia, Fiji, NSW, NSW City, Aus PM XIII and NRL, and also played for the Parramatta Eels and the Gold Coast Titans.

www.rugbyleagueproject.org

A Grand Final, two Dally Ms, a SOO series win (and player of the series award, I think?)...

I think he's deserving of an induction.

 

[Eelementary]

@Tiger5150, so help me, if you steal the Spoon from us, I will be the biggest lobbyist to have you banned from this forum that you've ever seen.

It belongs to us - don't you dare crush my hopes.

 

[Gronk]

A Grand Final, two Dally Ms, a SOO series win (and player of the series award, I think?)...

I think he's deserving of an induction.

Maybe, but someone would need to compare his achievements vs those who are already in the HOF to see if his induction is valid.

 

[Eelementary]

Maybe, but someone would need to compare his achievements vs those who are already in the HOF to see if his induction is valid.

I think the age at which he won the Dally Ms should also be taken into account - two Dally Ms before the age of 27 is mighty impressive.

 

[hineyrulz]

A Grand Final, two Dally Ms, a SOO series win (and player of the series award, I think?)...

I think he's deserving of an induction.

Won players player in the 2013 WC win.

 

[Gronk]

Happy for him. After being garbage at wing and centre, the planets aligned for him. A fullback spot became available because of injury and he took the opportunity with both hands.

Parramatta Eels back Zac Cini signs for Castleford Tigers

Parramatta Eels back Zac Cini signs a two-year deal to join Castleford Tigers next season.

www.bbc.com

 

[Eelementary]

I think the age at which he won the Dally Ms should also be taken into account - two Dally Ms before the age of 27 is mighty impressive.

Joey won 3 - including consecutive awards -, but his first came at age 24.

 

[Eelementary]

Happy for him. After being garbage at wing and centre, the planets aligned for him. A fullback spot became available because of injury and he took the opportunity with both hands.

Parramatta Eels back Zac Cini signs for Castleford Tigers

Parramatta Eels back Zac Cini signs a two-year deal to join Castleford Tigers next season.

www.bbc.com

Can't doubt his effort - happy he got a deal elsewhere.

 

[strider]

Just cos Jarryd is no longer sitting in a prison cell, doesnt mean he hasnt conducted himself like a knob and f**ked his legacy. You can still be a complete tool and not be in gaol.

 

[Gronk]

I think the age at which he won the Dally Ms should also be taken into account - two Dally Ms before the age of 27 is mighty impressive.

Ok so I asked AI and she said…..

So based on this, I reckon the answer is YES.


Here is a detailed list of the top 10 players with the most Dally M Medal wins, including **Rookie of the Year**, **Positional**, and **Representative awards**:

### 1. **Johnathan Thurston**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 4 (2005, 2007, 2014, 2015)
- **Positional Awards**: Halfback of the Year (2005, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2014, 2015)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2005, 2013, 2015

### 2. **Andrew Johns**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 3 (1998, 1999, 2002)
- **Positional Awards**: Halfback of the Year (1998, 1999, 2002), Five-eighth of the Year (2003)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2001, 2005

### 3. **Cameron Smith**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 2 (2006, 2017)
- **Positional Awards**: Hooker of the Year (2006, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2007, 2011, 2013, 2016

### 4. **Cooper Cronk**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 2 (2013, 2016)
- **Positional Awards**: Halfback of the Year (2013, 2016)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2012, 2016

### 5. **Jason Taumalolo**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2016)
- **Positional Awards**: Lock of the Year (2015, 2016, 2017)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2016

### 6. **Jarryd Hayne**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2009, tied with Thurston)
- **Positional Awards**: Fullback of the Year (2009, 2014)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2014

### 7. **Ben Barba**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2012)
- **Positional Awards**: Fullback of the Year (2012)

### 8. **Tom Trbojevic**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2021)
- **Positional Awards**: Fullback of the Year (2021)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2021

### 9. **Kalyn Ponga**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2022)
- **Positional Awards**: Fullback of the Year (2022)

### 10. **Todd Carney**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2010)
- **Positional Awards**: Five-eighth of the Year (2010)

This list reflects not only the top Dally M winners but also their dominance across multiple categories such as positional and representative awards.

 

[Eelementary]

Ok so I asked AI and she said…..

So based on this, I reckon the answer is YES.


Here is a detailed list of the top 10 players with the most Dally M Medal wins, including **Rookie of the Year**, **Positional**, and **Representative awards**:

### 1. **Johnathan Thurston**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 4 (2005, 2007, 2014, 2015)
- **Positional Awards**: Halfback of the Year (2005, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2014, 2015)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2005, 2013, 2015

### 2. **Andrew Johns**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 3 (1998, 1999, 2002)
- **Positional Awards**: Halfback of the Year (1998, 1999, 2002), Five-eighth of the Year (2003)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2001, 2005

### 3. **Cameron Smith**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 2 (2006, 2017)
- **Positional Awards**: Hooker of the Year (2006, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2007, 2011, 2013, 2016

### 4. **Cooper Cronk**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 2 (2013, 2016)
- **Positional Awards**: Halfback of the Year (2013, 2016)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2012, 2016

### 5. **Jason Taumalolo**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2016)
- **Positional Awards**: Lock of the Year (2015, 2016, 2017)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2016

### 6. **Jarryd Hayne**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2009, tied with Thurston)
- **Positional Awards**: Fullback of the Year (2009, 2014)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2014

### 7. **Ben Barba**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2012)
- **Positional Awards**: Fullback of the Year (2012)

### 8. **Tom Trbojevic**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2021)
- **Positional Awards**: Fullback of the Year (2021)
- **Representative Player of the Year**: 2021

### 9. **Kalyn Ponga**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2022)
- **Positional Awards**: Fullback of the Year (2022)

### 10. **Todd Carney**
- **Dally M Medal Wins**: 1 (2010)
- **Positional Awards**: Five-eighth of the Year (2010)

This list reflects not only the top Dally M winners but also their dominance across multiple categories such as positional and representative awards.

Seems fair.

I think the only thing Jarryd didn't add to his resume was a Premiership.

Other than that, his resume is mighty impressive.

 

[Eelementary]

Just cos Jarryd is no longer sitting in a prison cell, doesnt mean he hasnt conducted himself like a knob and f**ked his legacy. You can still be a complete tool and not be in gaol.

No argument from me there.

 

[Gronk]

Seems fair.

I think the only thing Jarryd didn't add to his resume was a Premiership.

Other than that, his resume is mighty impressive.

True, but remember that the Dally Ms is not the only metric. How many games did he play for the Kangaroos, not including minnow teams during World Cups ? I think that lets him down.

 

[hindy111]

You had me until the bolded bit.

Sorry, but it's not other people's fault that he failed to reach his potential. That's a cop out. He was extremely well paid and the results (unfortunately) speak for themselves.

As you say, he had selfish traits and demons. Agree with that.

JT suffered from shit squads around him, but he dragged the Nth Qld side by it's balls into finals contention in 8 of 13 years and got 2 comps.

Nobody said it's other people's fault. Where did you pull that line from?
What I was suggesting is had he had a better coaching figure and support staff around him who gave good advice would he of went off the rails? Maybe or maybe not. The fact is he didn't have that opportunity.
You're suggesting make no difference While I will argue we won't know

He isn't a highly educated person and those people are much easier to sway generally. I mean he had a tough upbringing in housing commission in Campbelltown.

Your view seems very RIGHT WING.

 

[Gronk]

Nobody said it's other people's fault. Where did you pull that line from?
What I was suggesting is had he had a better coaching figure and support staff around him who gave good advice would he of went off the rails? Maybe or maybe not. The fact is he didn't have that opportunity.
You're suggesting make no difference While I will argue we won't know

He isn't a highly educated person and those people are much easier to sway generally. I mean he had a tough upbringing in housing commission in Campbelltown.

Your view seems very RIGHT WING.

Sure, so you could apply the same assessment to Tim Smith, Latrell Mitchell or Todd Carney. Coulda, shoulda, woulda. If only they played for a team that had the right people in charge …

but unfortunately he played for a team that never had the right people in charge on or off the field to sort out his selfish traits and demons.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Seems fair.

I think the only thing Jarryd didn't add to his resume was a Premiership.

Other than that, his resume is mighty impressive.

Jarryd only lost 3 finals matches in his time at Parramatta
2006 - Melbourne
2007 - Melbourne
2009 - Melbourne

All 3 seasons they were later found to be over the cap.

So technically Jarryd never lost a semi final to a cap compliant side.