Rumours and Stuff

[TheRam]

Yeah but CTE is not about actual text book concussions, right. It's a brain disorder likely caused by repeated head knocks / micro injuries.

Let's not be the neuroscience experts here and defer to the med merkins who know their shit.

And drinking piss, taking drugs and eating garbage takeaway food, when instead you should be recovering and eating well and drinking well and taking the best health supplements for your recovery, in particular your brain and resting like a baby where ever possible(sleep).

But how many of them do that? They may do some of that but then probably nullify it all with one or two or ten beers and or who knows what else they take? Also lets not forget what food and in particular sugar has on the brain. Beer for example can be very high in sugar. All these things have meaning and contribute to the end result.

And then they retire and if they are that way inclined they finally really let their hair down and drink themselves silly and take all manner of substances with gay abandon without fear of retribution.

But 20+ years later they solely blame Rugby League for their brain health issues, which may or may not have contributed but surly what they did after each game and in retirement would have equal if not more impact on their brain health, right?

But who really does a deep dive on all that? Can't claim compensation or pity from the public by admitting to your very own reckless and selfish behaviour(they have families that they are letting down) now can we.

There is a very famous and popular ex-player right now suffering from CTE that loved to drink himself stupid. Yes it is sad and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but I don't think playing an impact sport and drinking like a fish whenever possible and probably scoffing down crappy sugar laden and trans-fat salty takeaway food for 30-40+ years is going get you a great outcome health wise. Does anyone else?

 

[King-Gutho94]

Yeah but CTE is not about actual text book concussions, right. It's a brain disorder likely caused by repeated head knocks / micro injuries.

Let's not be the neuroscience experts here and defer to the med merkins who know their shit.

I never said i was neuroscience expert but i do believe all sports are doing as much as they can to prevent concussion and helping the recovery from a concussion.

Hence athletes now taking a mandatory period on the sideline after failing a concussion test instead of just running back out there.

Look we can start letting the medical merkins dictate every single rule but we would probably have no risk in all sports & we will be playing Oztag or touch footy in 25 years and most professional sports will be out of action.

With each passing year everyone is becoming fully aware of the dangers & potential serious side effects from it.

Any contact to the head is a penalty and any forceful contact to the head is an automatic sinbin.

Do we remove the kick off do we also have to remove goal-line drop out at the same time.

And do we just move forward to doing a 20m tap instead with a set defensive line.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The Storm definitely have the spine to compete with the Panthers.
Unfortunately for them they just choked on the big day this year. Munster and Hughes saved their worst for last.

Did they choke or was Penrith’s defence just too good on the day?

 

[TheRam]

The Storm definitely have the spine to compete with the Panthers.
Unfortunately for them they just choked on the big day this year. Munster and Hughes saved their worst for last.

They got beat up front mate. The Panthers did what they always do and played their back three like front rowers to keep their forwards fresh and then their front rowers in particular can dominate when called on. The Storm had nothing once NAS was suspended.

If you remember I called it when he was given the suspension. No team wins a GF without quality up front. The NRL put the finger on the scale in favour of the Panthers with that over the top call. The GF was all but played in the judiciary room that night.

Not saying the NRL is rigged, just that it was a terrible decision in my opinion and it ruined any chance that Storm had of beating the Panthers in the big one.

 

[T.S Quint]

Did they choke or was Penrith’s defence just too good on the day?

I think a bit of both, to be honest.
Penrith didn't give them much, but they did have some chances and they performed poorly.
Grant did his best, but he could only do so much.

 

[T.S Quint]

They got beat up front mate. The Panthers did what they always do and played their back three like front rowers to keep their forwards fresh and then their front rowers in particular can dominate when called on. The Storm had nothing once NAS was suspended.

If you remember I called it when he was given the suspension. No team wins a GF without quality up front. The NRL put the finger on the scale in favour of the Panthers with that over the top call. The GF was all but played in the judiciary room that night.

Not saying the NRL is rigged, just that it was a terrible decision in my opinion and it ruined any chance that Storm had of beating the Panthers in the big one.

I'm not going to agree that the NAS suspension was a bad decision.
He smashed a player directly in the head with his shoulder, kocking him out. He also had priors which added tot he suspension.

He got what he deserved. Unfortunately the NRL has seen fit for him to serve half his suspension through International games which is stupid.

 

[JokerEel]

PVL f**k me dead leave it alone. He’s like a 4 year old boy who can’t stop fiddling with his dick

'Radical' rule change to shake up NRL next year

League cracking down on injuries

www.nine.com.au

Just do a kickoff that grubbers along the ground ffs those kicks can go to the goal line in most cases and it won't be a seven tackle set.

 

[TheCrowe]

The insurance companies make the pay outs. Never underestimate their influence.

 

[Gronk]

I never said i was neuroscience expert but i do believe all sports are doing as much as they can to prevent concussion and helping the recovery from a concussion.

Hence athletes now taking a mandatory period on the sideline after failing a concussion test instead of just running back out there.

Look we can start letting the medical merkins dictate every single rule but we would probably have no risk in all sports & we will be playing Oztag or touch footy in 25 years and most professional sports will be out of action.

With each passing year everyone is becoming fully aware of the dangers & potential serious side effects from it.

Any contact to the head is a penalty and any forceful contact to the head is an automatic sinbin.

Do we remove the kick off do we also have to remove goal-line drop out at the same time.

And do we just move forward to doing a 20m tap instead with a set defensive line.

You can not like it, but that really doesn't matter. Maybe @Legal Eel might practice in torts and add with greater nuance than I, but in sports law, it’s crucial for organizations to demonstrate that they’re consistently mindful of their duty of care. A proactive approach minimizes risk of injury and also reduces potential liability. Which is what this is really about. Everyone knows that NRL involves a risk, BUT courts will always closely examine whether organizations took all reasonable steps to prevent foreseeable harm.

If a sport can show it has actively maintained a culture of safety and duty of care—through responding to hazards—it strengthens its defence against claims. As much as this NRL file might be marked - Player Welfare - in reality the inside of the file is actually all about building a sound corporate avoidance litigation strategy by being proactive.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Parramatta Eels sign three Australian Schoolboys

The Parramatta Eels are thrilled to announce the extension of three exceptional Australian Schoolboys representatives—Lincoln Fletcher, Ryda Talagi, and Lachlan Coinakis—through to the end of the 2027 season.

www.parraeels.com.au

 

[Gronk]

Parramatta Eels sign three Australian Schoolboys

The Parramatta Eels are thrilled to announce the extension of three exceptional Australian Schoolboys representatives—Lincoln Fletcher, Ryda Talagi, and Lachlan Coinakis—through to the end of the 2027 season.

www.parraeels.com.au

Nice. Fletcher has been sitting on the reserves bench for a lot a rep footy or playing centre, but from the Matt's that I have seen, he's a crafty goal kicking 7 of the future. Maybe he can time his run a little better than Sanders and take over from Mitch.

 

[TheRam]

You can not like it, but that really doesn't matter. Maybe @Legal Eel might practice in torts and add with greater nuance than I, but in sports law, it’s crucial for organizations to demonstrate that they’re consistently mindful of their duty of care. A proactive approach minimizes risk of injury and also reduces potential liability. Which is what this is really about. Everyone knows that NRL involves a risk, BUT courts will always closely examine whether organizations took all reasonable steps to prevent foreseeable harm.

If a sport can show it has actively maintained a culture of safety and duty of care—through responding to hazards—it strengthens its defence against claims. As much as this NRL file might be marked - Player Welfare - in reality the inside of the file is actually all about building a sound corporate avoidance litigation strategy by being proactive.

They should be worried about providing alcohol or crappy take away and or sugary drinks to the players after games where they probably have picked up who knows how many micro concussions while playing then. The latest science tells us that all these have negative affects on the brain and health in general. Add impacts to the brain and the brain is coping quite an onslaught in a short 3 hour period that could be creating immeasurable long term damage. Then the player/s may kick on and not go to sleep till all hours with a head full of booze and whatnots.

See, where and what are ALL the real causes of CTE? Yeah sure the collisions are part of it, BUT if we minimised or even zeroed out all the other adverse behaviours and contributors then maybe, just maybe we would see a marked decline in early and late onset CTE from so many players. If we nourished the brain prior and immediately after the games, would that be enough for the brain to recover and be protected? No one can definitively say, because that isn't done right now. It is lip service more then anything. But I would love for our club to lead in this area and ban all alcohol from the dressing rooms after games and only supply proven brain healthy drinks and food for recovery. Also the best quality health supplements especially for the brain. I bet in the long term we would see a remarkable improvement in the players post game life health outcomes.

 

[T.S Quint]

They should be worried about providing alcohol or crappy take away and or sugary drinks to the players after games where they probably have picked up who knows how many micro concussions while playing then. The latest science tells us that all these have negative affects on the brain and health in general. Add impacts to the brain and the brain is coping quite an onslaught in a short 3 hour period that could be creating immeasurable long term damage. Then the player/s may kick on and not go to sleep till all hours with a head full of booze and whatnots.

See, where and what are ALL the real causes of CTE? Yeah sure the collisions are part of it, BUT if we minimised or even zeroed out all the other adverse behaviours and contributors then maybe, just maybe we would see a marked decline in early and late onset CTE from so many players. If we nourished the brain prior and immediately after the games, would that be enough for the brain to recover and be protected? No one can definitively say, because that isn't done right now. It is lip service more than m anything. But I would love for our club to lead in this area and ban all alcohol from the dressing rooms after games and only supply proven brain healthy drinks and food for recovery. Also the best quality health supplements especially for the brain. I bet in the long term we would see a remarkable improvement in the players post game life health outcomes.

I’m sure all the neurosurgeons and sports scientists have not thought about or looked into any of this.

Thank god you’re around Ram. We always need someone to tell the experts they’re doing it wrong.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

They should be worried about providing alcohol or crappy take away and or sugary drinks to the players after games where they probably have picked up who knows how many micro concussions while playing then. The latest science tells us that all these have negative affects on the brain and health in general. Add impacts to the brain and the brain is coping quite an onslaught in a short 3 hour period that could be creating immeasurable long term damage. Then the player/s may kick on and not go to sleep till all hours with a head full of booze and whatnots.

See, where and what are ALL the real causes of CTE? Yeah sure the collisions are part of it, BUT if we minimised or even zeroed out all the other adverse behaviours and contributors then maybe, just maybe we would see a marked decline in early and late onset CTE from so many players. If we nourished the brain prior and immediately after the games, would that be enough for the brain to recover and be protected? No one can definitively say, because that isn't done right now. It is lip service more then anything. But I would love for our club to lead in this area and ban all alcohol from the dressing rooms after games and only supply proven brain healthy drinks and food for recovery. Also the best quality health supplements especially for the brain. I bet in the long term we would see a remarkable improvement in the players post game life health outcomes.

This is an interesting line of thinking Ram and one I think I agree with. Surely masses of alcohol on top of undiagnosed concussions much have done untold damage to players brains back in the day.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

I’m sure all the neurosurgeons and sports scientists have not thought about or looked into any of this.

Thank god you’re around Ram. We always need someone to tell the experts they’re doing it wrong.

I'm sure they've thought of it but looked into it with clinical studies? Maybe not yet. Considering it's hard to diagnose CTE in living brains it would be very hard to study. It's a legitimate concern imo.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I'm sure they've thought of it but looked into it with clinical studies? Maybe not yet. Considering it's hard to diagnose CTE in living brains it would be very hard to study. It's a legitimate concern imo.

Yes, they have looked into it. For example,

Patterns of Alcohol Use after Traumatic Brain Injury - PMC

Alcohol misuse and traumatic brain injury (TBI) frequently co-occur. The negative consequences of this interaction are well documented, but the patterns of long-term post-injury alcohol consumption are less clear. This study examined patterns of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Alcohol misuse and traumatic brain injury (TBI) frequently co-occur. The negative consequences of this interaction are well documented, but the patterns of long-term post-injury alcohol consumption are less clear. This study examined patterns of alcohol use among 170 adults with a history of complicated mild to severe TBI. Participants were recruited from a Level 1 Trauma Center at the time of their injury and completed evaluations at 1 month, 6 months, 12 months, and 3–5 years post-injury. Pre-injury alcohol use was also assessed at the time of the 1-month assessment. A modified Quantity-Frequency Index of alcohol consumption was then calculated for each time point. The results revealed high levels of pre-injury alcohol consumption, followed by a reduction in consumption at 1-month post-injury. A significant increase in consumption was noted by 6 months post-injury, followed by more gradual increases in alcohol consumption at 1 year. Post-injury alcohol consumption was comparable to the general public at 6 months, 12 months, and 3–5 years post-injury. These results suggest that the first 6 months post-injury may be the critical window of opportunity for alcohol intervention.

CTE is one type of Traumatic Brain Injury.

 

[Chipmunk]

Parramatta Eels sign three Australian Schoolboys

The Parramatta Eels are thrilled to announce the extension of three exceptional Australian Schoolboys representatives—Lincoln Fletcher, Ryda Talagi, and Lachlan Coinakis—through to the end of the 2027 season.

www.parraeels.com.au

So what are these development deals until 2027, or at some point you get a Top 30 contract?

You should have to announce what the deal entails.

 

[T.S Quint]

So what are these development deals until 2027, or at some point you get a Top 30 contract?

You should have to announce what the deal entails.

The NRL doesn't requite teams/players to make the details of contracts public. They do usually announce which year the contract ends, but in some cases the final year/s include an option that we don't know about.

I've always thought the players' contracts should be made public, just like they do in American sports (and probably others as well). Less speculation from media and fans, more pressure on clubs tpo make the right deals, and on the surface it makes cheating the cap slightly harder (but still pretty easy for some clubs).

 

[84 Baby]

You can not like it, but that really doesn't matter. Maybe @Legal Eel might practice in torts and add with greater nuance than I, but in sports law, it’s crucial for organizations to demonstrate that they’re consistently mindful of their duty of care. A proactive approach minimizes risk of injury and also reduces potential liability. Which is what this is really about. Everyone knows that NRL involves a risk, BUT courts will always closely examine whether organizations took all reasonable steps to prevent foreseeable harm.

If a sport can show it has actively maintained a culture of safety and duty of care—through responding to hazards—it strengthens its defence against claims. As much as this NRL file might be marked - Player Welfare - in reality the inside of the file is actually all about building a sound corporate avoidance litigation strategy by being proactive.

*tortes

 

[Legal Eel]

You can not like it, but that really doesn't matter. Maybe @Legal Eel might practice in torts and add with greater nuance than I, but in sports law, it’s crucial for organizations to demonstrate that they’re consistently mindful of their duty of care. A proactive approach minimizes risk of injury and also reduces potential liability. Which is what this is really about. Everyone knows that NRL involves a risk, BUT courts will always closely examine whether organizations took all reasonable steps to prevent foreseeable harm.

If a sport can show it has actively maintained a culture of safety and duty of care—through responding to hazards—it strengthens its defence against claims. As much as this NRL file might be marked - Player Welfare - in reality the inside of the file is actually all about building a sound corporate avoidance litigation strategy by being proactive.

Not a tort lawyer - but if I was crafting a response to this issue I would steal yours as it’s spot on to my understanding.

This is about being seen to take measures to alleviate or address risk so that those measures can be referred to in any future proceeding, such that they won’t undermine or counter the players own voluntary assumption of risk.