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oldmancraigy

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Joshuatheeel said:
So it's ok for Ryles to do it....but not BA.....
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How many games did Gutherson play under Ryles at a position that is not fullback?

Just curious, because your assertion requires the answer to be >0



What Ryles DID do was move the guy on (with his salary), and spend it elsewhere.
That is quite different to playing him out of position while still at the club.
(the conversation he had about a different position could also be for what purpose?)
 
Gronk

Gronk

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Gronk said:
This is so West Tigers.


TIGERS OFFER SULLIVAN $900,000 TO LEAVE CLUB


The Tigers are reportedly willing to give halfback Jayden Sullivan $900,000 to leave the club just one year into his four year deal with the club. The Daily Telegraph reported the Tigers are prepared to give Sullivan a monster pay out from his $2.4 million contract in order to free up salary cap space. Sullivan joined the Tigers on a four-year deal to be the club’s halfback, but played just eight games last season and lost all but one of the games he played in.

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Jayden Sullivan is set to leave the Wests Tigers to take up a deal with the South Sydney Rabbitohs, but the club switch comes with a catch.

The Daily Telegraph reported Sullivan has joined the Rabbitohs after doing a medical with Souths last week, despite having three years on his $700,000 a season Tigers deal remaining.

Previously the Tigers had been willing to pay $900,000 or $300,000 a season for the remaining three years of Sullivan’s deal for him to play elsewhere.

However, Sullivan’s Souths deal is unique in that he will play for the club in 2025, but has the flexibility to rejoin the Tigers in 2026.

But Sullivan also has an option to stay at Souths in 2026 if he chooses with all the power in the young halfback’s court.

Sullivan had signed a four year deal to join the Tigers last season from after switching from the Dragons.

www.foxsports.com.au

Unwanted Tigers half set to join Souths but could return amid unique clause — Free Agency LIVE

Unwanted Tigers half set to join Souths but could return amid unique clause — Free Agency LIVE
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au
 
Joshuatheeel

Joshuatheeel

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oldmancraigy said:
How many games did Gutherson play under Ryles at a position that is not fullback?

Just curious, because your assertion requires the answer to be >0



What Ryles DID do was move the guy on (with his salary), and spend it elsewhere.
That is quite different to playing him out of position while still at the club.
(the conversation he had about a different position could also be for what purpose?)
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Ryles never moved Gutho on.

"Parramatta Eels Head Coach Jason Ryles said, "We would have liked Clint to be part of our squad in 2025, but we respect his desire to explore new opportunities and believe it’s important to support him in what he feels is best for his career."

Ryles never told Gutho he was free to leave. He could have at this meeting, if he was planning to move Gutho on:

www.smh.com.au

Eels grant Gutherson permission to speak to rival clubs immediately

Eels coach Jason Ryles and general manager Mark O’Neill met with Clint Gutherson and his agent on Thursday morning to discuss the veteran’s future at the club.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
Gutho asked for the release:

"The Eels held a board meeting on Wednesday night and agreed to grant the fullback his request to part ways effective immediately."

www.smh.com.au

Parramatta Eels agree to release skipper Clint Gutherson effective immediately

Clint Gutherson has played his final game for the Eels and is on the verge of securing a three-year deal with the St George Illawarra Dragons.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au

Ryles obviously decided Gutho's future wasn't at fullback. The same decision that BA was heading towards:

www.smh.com.au

Eels hold meeting with Gutherson, chase potential fullback option

The Herald can reveal the Eels have been hitting the phones over the past week to find what they are describing as a “game-breaker” to join the club immediately.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au

www.smh.com.au

Eels miss out on potential Gutherson successor

Parramatta earmarked Jayden Campbell as an option to succeed fullback Clint Gutherson. However, the son of Preston Campbell had other ideas.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au

So considering BA was sacked of course he couldn't follow through with playing Gutho elsewhere like Ryles was planning to do.

However both had similar ideas around the future of Gutho/fullback spot. While Ryles never moved Gutho on, like he did with Sivo, RCG (free to leave now boys)
 
Tiger5150

Tiger5150

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oldmancraigy said:
Sad isn't it.
Stuck in a repetitive cycle.

1. They overpay for middling talent, because nobody else wants to play there.
2. Then they try to promote as many juniors as possible, so that in the future they can be more competitive.
3. Sometimes the juniors path is blocked by the overpaid middling talent, so they pay them to play elsewhere to make a spot for the junior.
4. The juniors are initially cheap, so it doesn't matter that they are paying middling talent to play elsewhere.
5. Young players don't win much, and so because they don't have enough good players, they lose games, and the juniors want to play elsewhere.
6. They need to try and win games, so they overpay for middling talent (see the first step again)
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Bookmarked
 
Tiger5150

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TheRam said:
Here you go merkin.

www.smh.com.au

Rabbitohs lose case, but still free to run, run, run

www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au


Also I just read this from your own link merkin...

E The High Court Decision​

After the Full Court of the Federal Court had overturned the original decision of Justice Finn, News Ltd was granted special leave to appeal to the High Court. By a majority of four to one (Gleeson CJ, McHugh, Gummow, Callinan JJ; Kirby J dissenting), the decision of the primary judge was restored.


1. The Majority Gleeson CJ commented on the organisation of sporting competitions, noting that, like most sporting competitions, both the Super League competition and the Winfield Cup run by the ARL were, of their nature, exclusive as they were not open to any club which wished to join the competition.[34] Thus, if a greater number of clubs wished to compete than competition organisers were willing to accept, exclusion was inevitable.[35] His Honour also pointed out that rugby league was only one form of sporting contest that competed for the attention of the public[36] , and that the need for the united competition was based on commercial reasons.[37]

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Careful you will upset @84 Baby who has a very particular POV regarding restraint of trade that doesnt align with Australian Law and he gets upset and is prone to deflect.
 
Tiger5150

Tiger5150

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Gronk said:
Jayden Sullivan is set to leave the Wests Tigers to take up a deal with the South Sydney Rabbitohs, but the club switch comes with a catch.

The Daily Telegraph reported Sullivan has joined the Rabbitohs after doing a medical with Souths last week, despite having three years on his $700,000 a season Tigers deal remaining.

Previously the Tigers had been willing to pay $900,000 or $300,000 a season for the remaining three years of Sullivan’s deal for him to play elsewhere.

However, Sullivan’s Souths deal is unique in that he will play for the club in 2025, but has the flexibility to rejoin the Tigers in 2026.

But Sullivan also has an option to stay at Souths in 2026 if he chooses with all the power in the young halfback’s court.

Sullivan had signed a four year deal to join the Tigers last season from after switching from the Dragons.

www.foxsports.com.au

Unwanted Tigers half set to join Souths but could return amid unique clause — Free Agency LIVE

Unwanted Tigers half set to join Souths but could return amid unique clause — Free Agency LIVE
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au
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I know its a cool here to stick it into your fellow spoon bowl combatants in a massive case of cognitive dissonant deflection, but IMO this is pretty much a good deal for Sullivan and WT. Probably as good as it gets.

When the Tigers signed Bud, the Tigers had just won their second consecutive spoon and had lost Luke Brooks. We were looking at going into our third spoon defence with Will Smith and Brandon Wakeham as our first choice halves. tough decisions were made. At this time Lachlan Galvin was 16, Latu Fainu was a 16yo playing for Blacktown and Luai had just won his third ring.

Sullivan was a necessary panic buy and with subsequent emergence of Galvin, Latu & the signing of Luai, he is now superfluous to requirements on too much money but not unreasonable money for a first grade halfback. Despite this he has never not put in, has played well in reggies and trained hard. In his few opportunities in first grade he played pretty good, better than Brooks, Smith and Wakeham and proved himself a worthy first grade halfback. he finds himself in a weird situation now at the worst team in the comp with at least two excellent halves ahead of him. I genuinely hope the best for him.

This weird deal gives him a chance to progress to first grade and make a career for himself. It also give the Tigers an insurance policy with Galvin & Luai (at this stage) both having options for 2027 to have a first grade halfback with two years experience under Bennett to come back.
 
Vic Mackey

Vic Mackey

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oldmancraigy said:
Sad isn't it.
Stuck in a repetitive cycle.

1. They overpay for middling talent, because nobody else wants to play there.
2. Then they try to promote as many juniors as possible, so that in the future they can be more competitive.
3. Sometimes the juniors path is blocked by the overpaid middling talent, so they pay them to play elsewhere to make a spot for the junior.
4. The juniors are initially cheap, so it doesn't matter that they are paying middling talent to play elsewhere.
5. Young players don't win much, and so because they don't have enough good players, they lose games, and the juniors want to play elsewhere.
6. They need to try and win games, so they overpay for middling talent (see the first step again)
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Tigers definitely have their faults. We should probably base our model off the highly successful Parramatta one. Hows the core of your 2023 SG Ball winning side coming along? That Talagi, Sanders and Arthur looked great.
 
JokerEel

JokerEel

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All this Gutho Blaize and Iongi talk!


I am excited to see how all 3 go in round 1 for their new teams!

Gutho and the Dragons are going to struggle I think this year.

Blaize will go ok with Cleary keeping his game simple run..


Iongi will be Rookie of the year and have the most try assists for us.
 
TheCrowe

TheCrowe

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Vic Mackey said:
Tigers definitely have their faults. We should probably base our model off the highly successful Parramatta one. Hows the core of your 2023 SG Ball winning side coming along? That Talagi, Sanders and Arthur looked great.
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Talagi Sanders and Arthurs are all unlikely to be regular first graders in 25.
We got better replacements for less money.
 
JokerEel

JokerEel

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TheCrowe said:
Talagi Sanders and Arthurs are all unlikely to be regular first graders in 25.
We got better replacements for less money.
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Talagi is interesting he is coming back from surgery now will he play round 1 will he be jumped by Cole?

Sanders right now is playing in CUP for the Raiders should have signed to play backup for us will only get a go if there is an injury
 
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