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Poupou Escobar

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Yeah centres are basically the fall guys for overall poor defence, but also nowadays good ones are also the defensive coordinators on their sides of field
True, but your edge defence is only as good as your middle. Look at the teams with great defensive mobility in the middle. Their edges are almost never outnumbered. Meanwhile no edge defenders were more isolated than ours these last two years. Look at the drop off in tackle effectiveness in Drown and Penisini. It doesn't mean they've become worse, it means they've had to attempt more low percentage tackles.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Ryles put Joash immediately into top 30 so obviously has plans for him in NRL otherwise be T & T or Dev squad.
Not necessarily. Dudes in the dev list can earn more (with incentives) than the players at the bottom of the top 30. But ultimately, everyone outside the top 17 is a backup. The difference is they might play 14 games (Asi) or they might play zero (Cini, Dunster, Mataele, Rodwell). All these guys were in the top 30 last year. Ogden was also top 30 but only played 2 games while Moretti on the dev list played 11. Then a bunch of merkins not even on the development list made NRL appearances:

Arthur
Keir
Mulitalo
Sanders
Tago

But in general I wouldn't expect a merkin to play even a dozen games if they weren't top 30. Moretti got close last year with 11, and now he's in the top 30.
 

Noise

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True, but your edge defence is only as good as your middle. Look at the teams with great defensive mobility in the middle. Their edges are almost never outnumbered. Meanwhile no edge defenders were more isolated than ours these last two years. Look at the drop off in tackle effectiveness in Drown and Penisini. It doesn't mean they've become worse, it means they've had to attempt more low percentage tackles.
Is there a stats site that shows one on one tackles made or attempted?
 

Legal Eel

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True, but your edge defence is only as good as your middle. Look at the teams with great defensive mobility in the middle. Their edges are almost never outnumbered. Meanwhile no edge defenders were more isolated than ours these last two years. Look at the drop off in tackle effectiveness in Drown and Penisini. It doesn't mean they've become worse, it means they've had to attempt more low percentage tackles.
If only there were people employed by the club to address our endemic defensive issues this past decade.

Better still, if only there was a person who was entitled as the "head" of these people and was tasked with addressing these issues.

If only! I guess its just bad luck....
 

Legal Eel

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We arseholed plenty of merkins after 2018. Hayne, Norman, French, Vave and Williams all left the club, and Mannah was banished to reserve grade. We didn't need to change the coach for all that.

On the other hand, I'd say none of those merkins 'bought in' (except perhaps Mannah) and were easy to axe. Gutherson, RCG and Sivo were probably loyal to the coach and therefore he was probably loyal to them. So getting them to agree to break contract might've been harder if he was still coach. But as for how well we've recruited, don't forget Lomax was signed while Arthur was still coach. Otherwise, we've swapped Gutherson, RCG, Sivo and Talagi for Iongi, Williams, JAC and Papalii. Have we really improved the squad? We've gained some speed but lost a lot of experience.
Yep, BA solved our recruiting, Ryles only tore BA's amazingly balanced squad to pieces.

As always, the Arthur family thanks you for your loyal service....as for most of the remaining fanbase, we can't wait to see what a proper coach does with what you have clearly contended is an objectively worse squad than last year!
 

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Dylan Brown is an adult, just like all the other players whose managers don't carry on like this in the media.
Yep. It’s a cop out to blame his manager, his manager works for him.

After what he has offered up on and off the field since he signed His latest deal surely he should feel he owes it to the club to at least get this out of the way one way or the other??? Seems like he’s not a team player and isn’t putting the club and team first which seems to be against what Ryles is trying to do at the club.
 

Poupou Escobar

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If only there were people employed by the club to address our endemic defensive issues this past decade.

Better still, if only there was a person who was entitled as the "head" of these people and was tasked with addressing these issues.

If only! I guess its just bad luck....
The f**k are you on about? We had good defence in 2020 and 2021. Despite lacking mobile forwards, we achieved it through controlling the ball, which is 100% a coaching decision.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Yep, BA solved our recruiting, Ryles only tore BA's amazingly balanced squad to pieces.

As always, the Arthur family thanks you for your loyal service....as for most of the remaining fanbase, we can't wait to see what a proper coach does with what you have clearly contended is an objectively worse squad than last year!
The 90s called. They want their outdated ideas back. These days it's the entire apparatus of the club that builds the squad, not the coach.
 

King-Gutho94

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The 90s called. They want their outdated ideas back. These days it's the entire apparatus of the club that builds the squad, not the coach.
Which is exactly what Ryles is doing now.

Arthur kept himself at distance with a lot of key figures at the club.

He was a control freak who couldn't work with a lot of people outside of Murph and kept a fair bunch of key planks out of the loop and wanted things done his stupid way.

The us against the world mentality is shifting towards a club first all buy in mentality.
 

The Predictor

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Mose , Gutherson, brown…. these three are what is the problem with this club, holding all and sundry over a barrel every time it comes to contracts, unfortunately the club have contributed massively to this, but still have some pride for the colours and emblem….this is why we standout for all the wrong reasons, whilst professional clubs keep chugging along….Brown and Moses can both go if that is their mindset,

Addo Carr has been there five minutes and has already showed his allegiance….Don’t take their shit, Ryles we follow the club not the players….there is the door!!!
 

AnonymousLurker

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Mose , Gutherson, brown…. these three are what is the problem with this club, holding all and sundry over a barrel every time it comes to contracts, unfortunately the club have contributed massively to this, but still have some pride for the colours and emblem….this is why we standout for all the wrong reasons, whilst professional clubs keep chugging along….Brown and Moses can both go if that is their mindset,

Addo Carr has been there five minutes and has already showed his allegiance….Don’t take their shit, Ryles we follow the club not the players….there is the door!!!
To be fair each time our previous superstars came off contract always talk about them . Difference is now it’s truly a 24/7 news cycle as evidence with leaking of email immediately for Dylan brown

I remember there was always articles for Hayne , mannah and Hindmarsh looking at offers when there contract was up and they extracted max dollars too .

difference is gutho previously did it around semi time (and forever lost respect for him due to that and had manager berating our office to the media for our offer and with brown it’s been blown out of proportion as they trying yo sort out his position prior yo start of the season , rather than have this district is during the season
 

Poupou Escobar

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We have had the same structural flaws in our defence for BAs entire tenure.
This isn't true either. Prior to 2019 we worked hard and defended well for the quality of players in the team. After that we blew it up to focus on big forwards because that's what the rules of the game rewarded. Then the game sped up again in 2020 and punished sluggish forwards. Arthur's response was to control possession to minimise the defensive work required of our middles. It worked well in 2020 and 2021, and was good enough to reach the grand final in 2022. It's only these past two years it fell apart. Your bullshit narrative about the "entire tenure" shows you don't watch Eels games.
 

emjaycee

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Dylan Brown is an adult, just like all the other players whose managers don't carry on like this in the media.
Apart from voicing his disappointment that his email was leaked, what other carry on has his manager done? He was asked by the club to bring the decision on staying or going forward from round 10. He emailed potentially interested parties to see if there was interest (that is his job) and that email leaked (which it was always going to do).

Has there been some other media carry-on from the Orrs that I have missed?
 

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