Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

The point and the question is not whether May had a good season, it is that in the context of JWH leaving, and effectively forcing your most consistent (in the most recent season) prop out of the club, whether it can be anyone other than the coach's fault that they have ineffective middles.

I don't think they are ineffective. They've just had a couple of quiet trial matches. With the emergence of Whyte (23) and Wong (22) at the end of last year they probably think they can replace May (26) and his busy work off the bench for a lot cheaper. He did take a lot of carries to get his 110m per game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So who was Roosters most consistent middle?

Not was, is. The answer is Collins, like I said.

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't think they are ineffective.

"his middles are struggling to get numbers in the tackle"

 

[Soto]

Good night.. this is going round and round and round in circles....concerning nonetheless

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Weasel words with "middle". There are two NRL standard props in that list. Roosters are in trouble in the middle and it is entirely the coach's fault, which is the point of the discussion.

Naufahu Whyte is already as good as May, and Wong isn't far away. But you are also overstating the importance of 'props' (as opposed to middles) in the brave new world of the NRL. Jack Williams was our best player in the 8 jersey this weekend and he is hardly what anyone would call a prop. He is a middle forward and that is how he played. In each our trials we only had one forward make 10+ carries, being Sam Tuivati (a genuine prop) and Matt Doorey, a converted back rower. In the modern game, middle forwards are primarily there to work hard in defence, and locks do that better than props. It's not a weasel word to describe them as middles, it reflects their usage in the modern game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

"his middles are struggling to get numbers in the tackle"

Based on a sample of two trial matches. It's meaningless. These are games for reserve graders to shine.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

But @Tiger5150 I will say that if May plays as well as he did in 2024, for the entirety of his Tigers contract, then he will be a good signing. If he plays even better than last year, he could be a great signing. But remember, whatever he does, if he had stayed at the Roosters, he would've been taking up less of the cap. That's how fair the NRL is.

 

[hineyrulz]

I get may narrative from the stats. I am just smart enough to know which stats matter.

Of course the one's that suit your narrative ffs!!

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Naufahu Whyte is already as good as May, and Wong isn't far away.

Hmmm, back in the 1930s they would have wondered how many Wong's make a Whyte.

 

[hineyrulz]

Not was, is. The answer is Collins, like I said.

 

[hindy111]

No his stats are amazing.

No. Plenty of QBs had as good or better game stats.

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

Hmmm, back in the 1930s they would have wondered how many Wong's make a Whyte.

No, I'm fairly certain they gave up wondering about that when it was discovered that 2 wongs don't make a white.

 

[JokerEel]

There was a rumour a player that left his old club at the start of 24 now regrets that's move..

Looks like it's a former Panthers player at the Roosters..

 

[Zoso]

Stats are misleading . I have always thought our pack this entire decade has been over rated. the forwards have never been able to get us off our line and our dominant field position had been from kick returns from players like fergo at the beginning of the decade and more importantly kicks from Moses and opposition teams giving us penalties to get out of our half. That’s why I’m glad ryles us trying a roster overhaul.

but in reality I believe our pack is still crap , noticed tigers and knights game how penalties down our end helped us gain field position

I don’t know if we’re crap, maybe just not premiership material. JR thought the pack only needed a tweak of personnel, and new skills and fitness regime to play Rylesball, so who knows how that will work out.
Some of the defensive efforts of our forwards were poor on the weekend but they weren’t alone there, Storm and Roosters were pretty bad.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No. Plenty of QBs had as good or better game stats.

Plenty? Name ten of them ffs

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I don’t know if we’re crap, maybe just not premiership material. JR thought the pack only needed a tweak of personnel, and new skills and fitness regime to play Rylesball, so who knows how that will work out.
Some of the defensive efforts of our forwards were poor on the weekend but they weren’t alone there, Storm and Roosters were pretty bad.

Yeah I reckon it’s dumb to read anything into trial form.

 

[emjaycee]

Plenty? Name ten of them ffs

Maybe not 10 and it depends on what stats you think are most important in a QB, but here are some key ones:

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I don’t know if we’re crap, maybe just not premiership material. JR thought the pack only needed a tweak of personnel, and new skills and fitness regime to play Rylesball, so who knows how that will work out.
Some of the defensive efforts of our forwards were poor on the weekend but they weren’t alone there, Storm and Roosters were pretty bad.

Additionally, a lot of our forward options (depth/back up), are 25 or so and younger....Ryles probably wants to see what we have/can he improve some of players...before, opening the cheque book......

Also any new coach, has the first year to make changes, aren't really judged straight away....

Good approach Ryles is taking

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe not 10 and it depends on what stats you think are most important in a QB, but here are some key ones:
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Looks like Brady is the least clutch guy on that list.

 

[The Predictor]

Fkn hijacked once again, mods need to implement ignore requests better