Rumours and Stuff

[Tiger5150]

So yes you are trying to argue the NRL won't allow him to medically retire from ongoing concussions..

Did you get dumber with your holiday?

Under the rules he can retire, and Parra can haggle with the insurance company about who pays, which would depend on the policy obviously, but under the rules Parra can not get exemption under the cap for an injury from the kaufusi tackle. That is clearly what Ive said and is correct. The Kaufusi tackle happened during his last contract and is pre-existing his latest Contract.

 

[Tiger5150]

Remember Andrew Davey?

Never heard of the merkin

 

[Parra Pride]

Impossible to read with all that shit popping up

That’s just a skill issue that one.

 

[Tiger5150]

Really setting themselves for a lawsuit with counsel from Tiger5150 QC

Tell me the rule for how and when a club gets an exemption under the cap for a medical retirement.

 

[JokerEel]

Under the rules he can retire, and Parra can haggle with the insurance company about who pays, which would depend on the policy obviously, but under the rules Parra can not get exemption under the cap for an injury from the *kaufusi tackle. That is clearly what Ive said and is correct. The Kaufusi tackle happened during his last contract and is pre-existing his latest Contract.

Shifting goal posts I see..

You think anyone would prevent a player from claiming medical retirement for concussions?? In this day and age with everything that's going on with brain injuries...

Like I said did you get dumber on your holiday?

 

[Tiger5150]

Maybe the one direct from NRL which states the guidelines for medical terminations?
Other then that I’ll tell Jake Friend to get back out there

Ummmm Im not sure how to tell you this, but that reference I gave you was direct from NRL.com and specifically says.....

"
The NRL found Burgess's career-ending injury was not pre-existing and had occurred during the course of his current contract which was due to end in 2023, meaning the club was permitted to be granted salary cap relief.

Burgess will still receive his entire contract worth from the Rabbitohs, with plans in place to spread payments across several years.

"The South Sydney Rabbitohs welcome the determination from the NRL today that the remainder of Sam Burgess’ contract will be exempt from the Club’s salary cap for 2020 and beyond under PCR Rule 86 (Medical Termination)," the club said in a statement on Friday.

 

[Tiger5150]

That’s why this injury isn’t a concussion. It’s something else, apparently.

This is 100% what will happen, even if its not.

 

[Tiger5150]

No you said it was impossible or along those lines.

Did I? Did I really? I have only said that he can not get exemption under the cap based on the rules, for his concussions resulting from the Kaufusi tackle (and the problems he was having at Roosters & Tigers,

Before it loses the track though, medical termination would only be one way of removing his contract from cap, except of course it not being possible at all to do.

Thats kinda the whole point.

 

[Tiger5150]

Shifting goal posts I see..

Mate from the first post I have been saying any merkin can retire medically, doesnt matter where the payment comes from, but the club can not get an exemption under the cap if it was a pre-existing condition or injury and didnt happen during the current Contract. I have been very boringly consistent on this.

You think anyone would prevent a player from claiming medical retirement for concussions?? In this day and age with everything that's going on with brain injuries...

Like I said did you get dumber on your holiday?

Anyone can claim a medical retirement for an injury that prevents them playing Rugba Leeg. That player WILL be fully paid out for their Contract, either from the club (like Souffs with Burgess) or from the insurance company (like Ben Matulino at the Tigers). The club will have that salary payment exempt from the salary cap IF the injury wasnt a pre-existing condition and if the injury occured initially during the current Contract. If it was pre-existing or if the initial injury happened before the current Contract, the club can NOT get exemption under the cap. It really isnt complicated.

Concussions are an obvious issue and of course a club could say that the head knock last week was the injury that caused the problem, but I am specifically responding to merkins saying Matterson should be medically retired, due to concussions, stemming from the Kaufusi tackle and it is simply against the NRL rule PCR 86 (medical retirement) to get an exemption in that situation.

The reason for that is so clear. Let say a hypothetical halfback, has a serious foot injury and his current club know it and know it is not going to get better, then his value is reduced, but a desperate club, like say the Tigers could come along and offer him $1.5M knowing they could flog him for a year or two and he is never going to finish the contract and wont count on the cap. Its pretty much the gamble the Tigers made with Olam

 

[lucablight]

He did fine in finals. Twelve games is a meaningless sample and one of the reasons is because the quality of the team and its opponents could be vastly different. In our case, half of those games were against the Storm ('17-'20) and Panthers ('21-'22). Any coach would have a poor record if every second game was against teams of that calibre. But they would only face such mismatched opposition in a very small sample of games.

Our eight finals losses were against opponents that averaged +150 better points differential than ours. Our four wins were against opponents that averaged -68 points differential worse. There was a much bigger gulf in quality between us and the teams that beat us in the finals and the teams we beat. But this two tier competition should surprise nobody. I don't see why you think you can blame it on a single coach.

2014 should have been a finals team. 2017 was a bad loss against a Thurston-less Cowboys. 2021 we had a chance to beat a busted Panthers but couldn’t land the finishing blow. 2022 we got blown off the park in the grand final. I’d hardly call that “fine”.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

2014 should have been a finals team.

It might’ve been, with more luck.

2017 was a bad loss against a Thurston-less Cowboys.

The same Thurston-less Cowboys who beat everyone in the finals except Melbourne, and who won the comp two years earlier?

2021 we had a chance to beat a busted Panthers but couldn’t land the finishing blow.

With more luck we could’ve. It was only a two point game. A couple of penalty goals and we win it instead

2022 we got blown off the park in the grand final. I’d hardly call that “fine”.

Blown off the park by a much better squad that finished the season with an appropriately much better points differential.

 

[lucablight]

It might’ve been, with more luck.

It wasn’t bad luck. We shat the bed in the last 3 games of the season

The same Thurston-less Cowboys who beat everyone in the finals except Melbourne, and who won the comp two years earlier?

if we’d the grand final then that would have been us who beat everyone. That’s my whole point. 2 years is a long time in rugby league. How did our team go two years after making the grand final?

With more luck we could’ve. It was only a two point game. A couple of penalty goals and we win it instead

Opportunities like that don’t always come around very often. Look what happens if you miss your window. It’s the coach’s job to prepare the team to take the opportunity.

Blown off the park by a much better squad that finished the season with an appropriately much better points

Upsets happen in sport all the time. Were the odds insurmountable? I would say no. 7 of those players from that much better squad played for NSW origin that season and lost the series.

 

[Parra Pride]

It wasn’t bad luck. We shat the bed in the last 3 games of the season

if we’d the grand final then that would have been us who beat everyone. That’s my whole point. 2 years is a long time in rugby league. How did our team go two years after making the grand final?

Opportunities like that don’t always come around very often. Look what happens if you miss your window. It’s the coach’s job to prepare the team to take the opportunity.

Upsets happen in sport all the time. Were the odds insurmountable? I would say no. 7 of those players from that much better squad played for NSW origin that season and lost the series.

I don't even have to read Pou's rubbish, just judging by your responses I'm going to safely assume he'd be a dog shit coach he just tells his boys 'Yeah nah we're f**ked hey!'

 

[Jake the snake]

Sport Confidential: Zac Lomax reveals why he’s playing on wing for Eels​

Zac Lomax’s insistence on playing in the centres is cited as one of the many reasons he moved away from the Dragons. So why is he back on the wing for Parramatta? That and more in Sport Confidential.

Parramatta’s Zac Lomax has revealed a desire to help youngster Jordan Samrani through his opening games in first grade has been behind his shift to the wing in recent weeks.
Lomax has split his time between the centres and wing over the past fortnight, the plan meaning he had one of the busiest games of his career last weekend against the Bulldogs.
Lomax took 31 runs, ran for more than 230 metres and 10 tackle busts in the Eels’ loss to the ‘Dogs last Sunday, a performance that showcased why Parramatta were so desperate to sign him from St George Illawarra.
Lomax’s desire to play centre was cited as one of the reasons for the move but the Eels back insisted he had no issue spending time on the wing over the past fortnight as Samrani got a taste of first grade.
“The last couple of weeks that is what worked for the team,” Lomax said.
“Obviously Jordie came in and he is a centre. It was his first few games and it worked easier for him to defend at centre.

Zac Lomax has been dabbling between centre and wing for the Eels. Picture: Rohan Kelly

Jordan Samrani. Picture: Matt King/Getty Images
“It worked that I would defend the wing and catch kicks really. I just want to win – that’s all my focus is. Sometimes it looks like I am doing a little extra work but my teammates expect it of me and I expect it of myself.
“I am willing to do whatever it takes to win and a lot of players are in the same boat here.”
Lomax insisted he was happy to do whatever it took to help the team win.
“Being one of the leaders in the team, you do whatever it takes,” he said.
“We’re in a position where we just need to win. Whatever it takes, I am happy to do, just as long as I feel I am competing and going after the game.”

FLASHBACK​

John Folau followed in his brother’s footsteps on this day 10 years ago. 20-year-old John Folau emulated his big brother’s feat, scoring a double in Parramatta’s 29-16 upset of South Sydney. Israel had scored a double on his debut in 2007. John would play just eight first grade games.

The back page 10 years ago

200 AND COUNTING FOR EELS STAR​

Eels prop Joe Ofahengaue will play his 200th game in first grade this week and he insists he is far from finished as he narrows his focus on winning a contract extension with Parramatta.
Ofahengaue is off contract at the end of the season and his immediate priority is to help Parramatta through a difficult time, hopefully winning a new deal in the process.

Joe Ofahengaue brings up game 200 this week. Picture: NRL Photos
Asked about his future, Ofahengaue said: “I am just looking to put my best foot forward and back myself.
“I love being in these situations, I love being on the back foot. I am backing myself to hopefully land another contract with this club.
“This is where I want to be. Parramatta is the club where I can help some of the younger players who are here and also bring something special to this team.”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/richard-agar-cops-threegame-ban-for-las-vegas-confrontation-with-journalist/news-story/1256a4ebbed137e13fcaaeaa994a5a4a?amp&nk=3da5b574ea6c1fb38d3a307767b673d7-1743061972

When we signed JOffa it was real statement signing from our management. How our management went procuring this very special talent from one of our wooden spoon rivals was so impressive. And although we just missed out on the spoon last year in the spoon bowl. Our management have been absolutely spot on with their aspirations for the spoon this year with great signing like JOffa. What’s left now is to secure this immortal JOffa for another 10 years similar to the Dylan Brown deal with options in JOffa’s favour.

JOffa has real talent of blessing clubs he goes to, they all end up contesting spoons. He’s a player that will be celebrated on Parra folklore for many years to come. Many years. The type of signing just reaffirms my faith in CEO Jim and the trolley boy O’Neil that they actually know what they are doing. They are Phil Goulds of the spoon. A dynasty awaits.

 

[Legal Eel]

He did fine in finals. Twelve games is a meaningless sample and one of the reasons is because the quality of the team and its opponents could be vastly different. In our case, half of those games were against the Storm ('17-'20) and Panthers ('21-'22). Any coach would have a poor record if every second game was against teams of that calibre. But they would only face such mismatched opposition in a very small sample of games.

Our eight finals losses were against opponents that averaged +150 better points differential than ours. Our four wins were against opponents that averaged -68 points differential worse. There was a much bigger gulf in quality between us and the teams that beat us in the finals and the teams we beat. But this two tier competition should surprise nobody. I don't see why you think you can blame it on a single coach.

Dead right. Finals should be about playing teams demonstrably worse.

No one can be expected to beat teams with better records than them.…and the coach certainly shouldn’t be responsible for turning out a worse record over sustained years.

you are absolutely correct.

 

[84 Baby]

Ummmm Im not sure how to tell you this, but that reference I gave you was direct from NRL.com and specifically says.....

"
The NRL found Burgess's career-ending injury was not pre-existing and had occurred during the course of his current contract which was due to end in 2023, meaning the club was permitted to be granted salary cap relief.

Burgess will still receive his entire contract worth from the Rabbitohs, with plans in place to spread payments across several years.

"The South Sydney Rabbitohs welcome the determination from the NRL today that the remainder of Sam Burgess’ contract will be exempt from the Club’s salary cap for 2020 and beyond under PCR Rule 86 (Medical Termination)," the club said in a statement on Friday.

Gee it almost sounds like Souths had to request the NRL make a determination on an iffy case. It’s not like Burgess had shoulder problems multiple contracts before his last one. Otherwise there’d be no way the NRL would remove his salary from South cap

 

[hineyrulz]

Dead right. Finals should be about playing teams demonstrably worse.

No one can be expected to beat teams with better records than them.…and the coach certainly shouldn’t be responsible for turning out a worse record over sustained years.

you are absolutely correct.

If we were far more consistent and didn’t continually lost to lower ranked teams we might of finished top 4 a few more times and me these so called better teams. How many times did we get dusted by last placed teams under Bea?? Probably another of his many records achieved at Parra.

 

[84 Baby]

Did I? Did I really? I have only said that he can not get exemption under the cap based on the rules, for his concussions resulting from the Kaufusi tackle (and the problems he was having at Roosters & Tigers,

There’s just no way.

Thats kinda the whole point.

 

[Twizzle]

But what about chip rolls

 

[JokerEel]

Mate from the first post I have been saying any merkin can retire medically, doesnt matter where the payment comes from, but the club can not get an exemption under the cap if it was a pre-existing condition or injury and didnt happen during the current Contract. I have been very boringly consistent on this.

Anyone can claim a medical retirement for an injury that prevents them playing Rugba Leeg. That player WILL be fully paid out for their Contract, either from the club (like Souffs with Burgess) or from the insurance company (like Ben Matulino at the Tigers). The club will have that salary payment exempt from the salary cap IF the injury wasnt a pre-existing condition and if the injury occured initially during the current Contract. If it was pre-existing or if the initial injury happened before the current Contract, the club can NOT get exemption under the cap. It really isnt complicated.

Concussions are an obvious issue and of course a club could say that the head knock last week was the injury that caused the problem, but I am specifically responding to merkins saying Matterson should be medically retired, due to concussions, stemming from the Kaufusi tackle and it is simply against the NRL rule PCR 86 (medical retirement) to get an exemption in that situation.

The reason for that is so clear. Let say a hypothetical halfback, has a serious foot injury and his current club know it and know it is not going to get better, then his value is reduced, but a desperate club, like say the Tigers could come along and offer him $1.5M knowing they could flog him for a year or two and he is never going to finish the contract and wont count on the cap. Its pretty much the gamble the Tigers made with Olam

You have been saying that Matto can't be medically retired from a concussion that happened in his new contract due to a concussion that happened Prior to this current contract...
Which we all know is never going to be prevented and so do you but have decided that due to your love for ex tiger players it's your mission to look like a goose to try to get a W..

You keep on trying to compare a concussion to a foot injury. Both are not the same.