Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

regardless, if we're going to rely on Alameddine to play any senior footy next year than it only proves that our outside backs stock is bare...

He's short and bog average the 3 or 4 games I seen. Bailey is 2 or 3 times the player.
Nanva looks ok but his defense is very suspect. I dont thjnk we have anything in the backs worth talking about.

 

[85 Baby]

I can’t believe Jim’s mowing, Captain Trolley boy & Bea think our 8th string outside backs are good enough!

 

[hindy111]

I can’t believe Jim’s mowing, Captain Trolley boy & Bea think our 8th string outside backs are good enough!

You want guys who may not be ready yet but have potential down track. We have a great back up fullback. And good depth in halves and middle.
Backs and 2nd row especially if cop 1 or injuries is worrying.

 

[Tiger5150]

Why not?

Indeed.....or monthly player options?
Watch the talent knock down MONs door!!!!
On second thoughts, best to make sure MON's door is closed at all times, Im sure he has learned that lesson.

 

[Pazza]

Lomax
JAC
Wenisini
Russell
Simonsson
Samrani
Renisini
Nanva

Five of these merkins would need to be unavailable for Alameddine to get a run.

Tago?

 

[Stevie]

Tago?

Oh dear.

 

[Stevie]

You want guys who may not be ready yet but have potential down track. We have a great back up fullback. And good depth in halves and middle.
Backs and 2nd row especially if cop 1 or injuries is worrying.

Imagine if we had set Nikora and Koula. We’d be a pretty good looking side. Maybe there’s still time for 26..?

 

[Stagger eel]

Lomax
JAC
Wenisini
Russell
Simonsson
Samrani
Renisini
Nanva

Five of these merkins would need to be unavailable for Alameddine to get a run.

the discussion is about back ups not starting players, I’m not sure why it’s necessary to list our 4 starting backs.

 

[85 Baby]

You want guys who may not be ready yet but have potential down track. We have a great back up fullback. And good depth in halves and middle.
Backs and 2nd row especially if cop 1 or injuries is worrying.

I would say every team if they suffer 2 injuries at the same position are either going to have to force a good player into a bad position (2nd rower playing centre, prop playing 2nd row) or otherwise pick a player who at best (but unlikely to be) is their 19th best player. Salary cap would probably start to even talent spread better around there so a team’s 19th best player is likely to be somewhere between the 300th to 350th best player in comp.

But really if a team is losing say 2 outside backs, their replacement is more likely going to be 20th something player in squad. Regardless of team that’s going to be more between 400th to 500th best player in comp.

That can be mitigated with some youth but just because they’re young doesn’t guarantee they’ll be better than the other bottom 100 players and also isn’t that what we have done anyway with Renisini, Nanva? And even if they aren’t the answer, the fix there is a deeper process because going to market to replace that level means paying overs or getting worse players (or at least not better). Better to self develop the replacements (or go to market at younger age group).

The problem isn’t at that level. It’s the likely value will get out of Simonsson this year that’s the issue. Somewhat mitigated by the likely value we get out of Russell.

But I’m sure even if we replaced Simonsson with a starting left centre, posters would complain that Russell isn’t a good enough backup outside back

 

[85 Baby]

the discussion is about back ups not starting players, I’m not sure why it’s necessary to list our 4 starting backs.

Unless you really care about winning NSW Cup then it’s who gets picked for NRL each week that matters, and if our 4 certain starters are available then it doesn’t matter who even the 5th best is

 

[Pazza]

Oh dear.

lets hope not lol

 

[Pazza]

Unless you really care about winning NSW Cup then it’s who gets picked for NRL each week that matters, and if our 4 certain starters are available then it doesn’t matter who even the 5th best is

your 5th best could be simonsson or it could be tago....... so depth does matter

 

[85 Baby]

your 5th best could be simonsson or it could be tago....... so depth does matter

Only if we’re missing Lomax, Penisini, Russell or JAC so I think it was pertinent for Pou to list all of them.
Tago at best is going to be 8th on list and even then with Ryles’ youth promotion I reckon both Penisini and Nanva would be ahead of him. Possibly others too.
Depth only matters if you need to replace a top 17 player. Sure you’d like your first couple of backups to be capable, but if you’re having to reach to your 5th best right winger then it’s not up to that player to perform a miracle, it’s up to having a good system and the rest of normal 17 to lift to cover gaps. Whoever Smugs or Boncos bring up in that spot aren’t going to be any better than who we do, they’ll just do better at not leaving them exposed.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yep pretty poor backups at the moment.

Samrani has shown he doesn't have the speed or lateral movement to be a back.

Maybe not a starting outside back, but he is a backup.

Dick / Nanva I don't think are going to be anything but ok CUP players.

They are already ok NSW Cup players and still in their early 20s. Are you suggesting they won’t improve?

Simmonson is going to Quit as soon as another opportunity comes

That’s because he’s too good to be a backup ffs. The opposite of a ‘pretty poor backup’.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Indeed.....or monthly player options?
Watch the talent knock down MONs door!!!!
On second thoughts, best to make sure MON's door is closed at all times, Im sure he has learned that lesson.

Our squad is solid. How’s yours?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Tago?

Didn’t his contract end on the weekend?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

the discussion is about back ups not starting players, I’m not sure why it’s necessary to list our 4 starting backs.

Because the amount you spend on starters limits how much you can spend on backups. Simonsson would be on pretty good coin for a backup player. That doesn’t leave much for player 6 and 7 in the depth chart.

But really, if you’re going to complain about our backups, you must be comparing them to the standard at other clubs. How about you list all these guns that are backups at other clubs. I think you’ll find pretty quickly that ours are definitely up to standard.

 

[Pazza]

Didn’t his contract end on the weekend?

probably

 

[Pazza]

Only if we’re missing Lomax, Penisini, Russell or JAC so I think it was pertinent for Pou to list all of them.
Tago at best is going to be 8th on list and even then with Ryles’ youth promotion I reckon both Penisini and Nanva would be ahead of him. Possibly others too.
Depth only matters if you need to replace a top 17 player. Sure you’d like your first couple of backups to be capable, but if you’re having to reach to your 5th best right winger then it’s not up to that player to perform a miracle, it’s up to having a good system and the rest of normal 17 to lift to cover gaps. Whoever Smugs or Boncos bring up in that spot aren’t going to be any better than who we do, they’ll just do better at not leaving them exposed.

lets hope we dont lose the whole backline then

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I would say every team if they suffer 2 injuries at the same position are either going to have to force a good player into a bad position (2nd rower playing centre, prop playing 2nd row) or otherwise pick a player who at best (but unlikely to be) is their 19th best player. Salary cap would probably start to even talent spread better around there so a team’s 19th best player is likely to be somewhere between the 300th to 350th best player in comp.

But really if a team is losing say 2 outside backs, their replacement is more likely going to be 20th something player in squad. Regardless of team that’s going to be more between 400th to 500th best player in comp.

That can be mitigated with some youth but just because they’re young doesn’t guarantee they’ll be better than the other bottom 100 players and also isn’t that what we have done anyway with Renisini, Nanva? And even if they aren’t the answer, the fix there is a deeper process because going to market to replace that level means paying overs or getting worse players (or at least not better). Better to self develop the replacements (or go to market at younger age group).

The problem isn’t at that level. It’s the likely value will get out of Simonsson this year that’s the issue. Somewhat mitigated by the likely value we get out of Russell.

But I’m sure even if we replaced Simonsson with a starting left centre, posters would complain that Russell isn’t a good enough backup outside back

100% solid analysis but this will go over most merkins’ heads.