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JokerEel

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Thanks @Stevie .

I assume the playing group is Moses as a majority of the players are new recruits.

Players not wanting to come to the club is not really a bother to me it's the development of the juniors into NRL players which is what we seem to be focusing on.

Depth in the backs is an issue and a good replacement for Lomax is our main priority..

The Talagi resigning is a bit of a laugh though as yes bringing out Ella when the kid wouldn't even know who PJ Marsh is.. I guess that's where the club has been lacking in teaching the juniors about the past as well...
 

Gordy

Juniors
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Hahahaha sorry I had a very, very rare sleep in. Same person from inside the club shared this as things I have shared previously.

I’ll do my best to remember as I had a thousand beers yesterday. Should have not put my Ring cameras on mute lol.

Feedback I got was a lot of frustration between the playing group and Jim CEO, Mon, Ben Rogers is it?, and some other guy from R&R.

Matto has openly told pretty much anyone that he is “collecting his paycheque”. He is not necessarily seen as disliked as he gives the impression of caring more about family and his devotion to religion. Massively upsetting to hear we waste a top 30 spot in him though.

Mitch Moses is intense, like really intense internally. Was told he was picked because he is our best player, not because he is our best leader. In fact, far from it.

Moses is apparently VERY pissed off with the club atm. We have got “a shitload of cap space” but I was told we haven’t even come close to landing one. The only thing of note we’ve really landed was Pezet who is a rookie and gone after his learning year with the club.

An example I was told was when Talagi was being courted to stay, we rolled out Steve Ella. The comment was no disrespect to Steve Ella, but Talagi didn’t even know who he was, let alone admired him. Penrith rolled out Nathan Cleary and it was a no contest!

We have this new super impressive training facility and wonderful setup, loads of cap, great brand but I was told “no one wants to come to Parramatta”.

The thought from the playing group is one of frustration and anger around the squad and depth. There have been times when they finish training and all put their hands in and say “1,2,3 f**k Jim!”. I can only assume this is not around JR but I didn’t ask.

Ryles plays an extremely structured footy and outgoing players have openly criticised the lack of “off the cuff” footy with offloads. Dylan Brown despite getting a massive offer was not enjoying the style of football much. Carty has been very open with his criticism of the teams style. My comments to this was the older style of footy won us nothing and we agreed.

There is a school of thought we are effectively playing a very Melbourne style without the cattle to make it effective. I’m told that’s the thought from Moses and a couple senior players.

I am not implying they are unhappy under Ryles, that’s not was not what was said to me I want to be clear on that. In fact the feedback was the “footy culture” seems really good. But there is significant disharmony between the playing group and Jim and Co.

Players are concerned about the impression people aren’t lining up to knock on our door. None of the Melbourne players had any interest in us with the Lomax swap.

This could absolutely be Juniors last season, but he may go another one. Apparently BA is still a “fatherly figure” to Junior and they talk every day. There is a thought BA will take him wherever he is in an immediate coaching capacity. I believe this will be a huge opportunity missed if it happens.

I was told Gutho absolutely hates Parra now. He has told others he will not have anything to do with the club post football which although I’m not a huge fan of him personally he was our best player for a very long time. He is far from a leader though but I had suspected that. There is a school of thought he should have been playing centre and at the same time been able to turbocharge Ionghi’s development whilst finishing as a Parra legend, that’s all gone now.

The comments to me are that we don’t really have any legends of the club that are relevant. We have Cayliss, Burt, etc but they are hardly considered legends of the game broadly speaking and even Hindy never won a competition. We just don’t have the strategy or firepower.

I’m sure there is more stuff I’ll remember but wanted to share. I’ve tried to seperate my opinions for another post and keep this as close to how it was said to me directly.

Hope you guys bloody appreciate this effort during my headache lol.

Thank you very much for the run-down Stevie.
Much appreciated mate.
 

Stevie

Bench
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That’s what I thought when Stevie said Moses was intense. I reckon he’s the minimum standard of what we want players to be. Sure they should still be professional and some of that intensity may be internalised in some but f**k me it’s not under 9 Div 5, they don’t give participation trophies and every player should be pissed when they play bad. I just got out of playing some wheelchair basketball at OPT against some numpty kids and even I was annoyed at myself for missing a couple of intercepts
OMG I’m crying with laughter. 🤣😂
 

Stevie

Bench
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Thanks for sharing @Stevie

I do think a lot of that commentary is troubling but I think it’s more of a poor reflection on the players than the club tbh if it’s true

sure we would love another elite player, but no one knew Lomax was going to jump ship with no elite options on the market

We have terrific depth in forwards. Paulo’s salary is beyond what many elite forwards are on, and it would be assumed we will reinvest that in an elite player when he moves on or moves into a bench role on a much lower wage.

from what I viewed on Thursday at training, the guys were all in tremendous spirits, and seemed nothing but positive

13 days until the first trial - the proof will be in the play
I hope it shows mate, no many more devoted fans than me I’m desperate for some happy moments this year.

Just sharing what I can promise is from someone at the club in the circle.
 

Pazza

Coach
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Thanks @Stevie .

I assume the playing group is Moses as a majority of the players are new recruits.

Players not wanting to come to the club is not really a bother to me it's the development of the juniors into NRL players which is what we seem to be focusing on.

Depth in the backs is an issue and a good replacement for Lomax is our main priority..

The Talagi resigning is a bit of a laugh though as yes bringing out Ella when the kid wouldn't even know who PJ Marsh is.. I guess that's where the club has been lacking in teaching the juniors about the past as well...

The one guy they got who would be a hit with the kids, they wont use.
 
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I hope it shows mate, no many more devoted fans than me I’m desperate for some happy moments this year.

Just sharing what I can promise is from someone at the club in the circle.
No offence but i don’t get Why would this person would be so explicit and open with you in regards to clubs issues which unfortunately there’s a few?
 

Avenger

Immortal
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It’s time the players — including our $1.3m tampon — stopped whingeing and bought in. I don’t give a f**k if the playing group is upset we didn’t land a big fish. Play with what you’ve got, make the eight, and after that anything can happen.

If anyone has a right to whinge, it’s the fans. It’s been 40 years and counting, no matter the playing style. Harden the f**k up, softcocks.
 

Delboy

First Grade
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No offence but i don’t get Why would this person would be so explicit and open with you in regards to clubs issues which unfortunately there’s a few?
The issues with the front office have been around for a fair while, if the players know we are a young ascending roster that need a couple of rep level players to take the final step, it’s not hard to argue with the snail like performance of recruitment being an issue.

for instance, there are a couple of player manager groups who will not use the Eels in the first round of player contacts, they see the club as inflexible and dogmatic not seen elsewhere. We were told an international player was offered , with a figure that would be expected, our GM said don’t bother we won’t start any negotiation if that’s an expectation. There are other factors but when mentioned , it gets argues against on here, good to see it’s something that others have become aware of.

Like him or not, Gould knows how to start to set a roster, maybe pay a little overs to get a leader ( Chrichton), even Mahoney was Signed due to his determination and non stop aggression.

I’ve made my stance , dropped the gold memberships and bought a GA season tickets, as have my other family members, need more from the club given our decent cap position and roster needs.
 

Avenger

Immortal
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And Gutho should’ve learned how to conduct himself. Sounds very similar to Brad Arthur since he left, no wonder they bummed each other. Thank f**k they have both gone. They will be remembered for winning nothing.

I rate Luke Burt higher without hesitation — he gave more, took less, and didn’t turn every contract into a public soap opera. You spent your career whining, milking the system, and confusing noise for leadership.

No legacy. No silverware. Good riddance.
 

Eelementary

Post Whore
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It's curious that some players believe we don't have any legends to come impress them.

Firstly, what have any of the players in our current roster ever won in the NRL?

Secondly, despite the fact that Cayless was much criticised, he captained New Zealand to a World Cup win - I don't think any player in our entire top 30 can ever hope to emulate that feat...
 

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