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Poupou Escobar

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Both playing better then previous years. At best they are fairly equal I agree. But ones consistent and other rock or diamonds. Kelma needs to be get rid of errors and silly plays
When your team's behind on the scoreboard, and you're in the team for your attack, there's pressure to try and make something happen. You've said it yourself. A weaker team isn't going to grind their way to victory unless their opponent turns over a lot of ball. They need to take risks.
 

eels_fan

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Your carry on re defending some podcast started with something like anyone putting shit on them are blah blah blah. So yeah, you do it a bit lol.

My memory is fine though, thanks.
Your memory may be fine, but you’ve lost the plot.

did I defend a podcast or simply say if you don’t like their coverage - don’t listen? Did I defend them, or suggest talking about their physical appearance is petty?

I’m sorry if you are the type of bloke that’s likes to publicly shame random people online because you don’t like what they say, and criticise their personal appearance (because that’s relevant how?) but that’s not my game.
 

Tiger5150

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When there is demand from rivals, most clubs don't get that luxury, including yours. You need some salary cap magic to pay a youngster like a top 17 player without sacrificing a spot in your first team.
You pay players according to their value, either current or forecast, end of story. That is my whole point. Just because you have a good 18yo, they dont need to be debuted and in fact it is reasonable Contract bargaining to not debut them prior to a signing a long term Contract. One of the few things Tigers have done right over the last 5 years is not debuting young players until they are signed to long term contracts. Bula & Galvin the most recent (didnt work out for Galvins merkinery....or did it?).

Because it was claimed that Canberra promote them younger. It's irrelevant how they turn out. The claim is demonstrably wrong. Go and harass Delboy for his implication that we should be debuting them younger. Did you skim everyone else's posts looking for mine to pick apart? Have you got him on ignore?
I dont give a rats what Delboy is claiming, its not my point. I am merely saying that debuting 18yo's is a bad idea unless they are Fittler level kids. Your list supports my point in that only 2 of 10 kicked on whereas Canberra are obviously more circumspect about blooging 18/19yo kids and they are having a better strike rate as a result.

How full of yourself would you need to be to think I'm worrying about "picking your posts apart". I didnt even criticise your post you narcissist.

So you're saying that debuting them young didn't hurt their development after all? I agree.
Can you read? I literally said that debuting them young DID hurt their development. I gave multiple examples from the Tigers and made the point that only 2 of 10 made it from the Eels list you posted vs a club with more successful juniors that have only debuted half as many by taht age and a greater percentage make it. That is empirical data demonstrating that debuting them young hurts their development.

Mate not everything is a debate, or a competition of ideas. This is merely my opinion about something, and its an opinion about something you havent even expressed your opinion on. There is no need for a reflexive contrarian impulse.

If you look at the Origin sides, nearly every player debuted much younger than the non-Origin cohort.
Are you making the case that the best players in the world, were also some of the best players when they were young?

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Eelementary

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When your team's behind on the scoreboard, and you're in the team for your attack, there's pressure to try and make something happen. You've said it yourself. A weaker team isn't going to grind their way to victory unless their opponent turns over a lot of ball. They need to take risks.

I think the issue many have with Kelma is that he will throw a silly offload when we are in the lead, or the game is tied.

I find him so frustrating to watch - excellent running the ball, ordinary in defence, and poor effort areas.
 

T-Boon

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I think the issue many have with Kelma is that he will throw a silly offload when we are in the lead, or the game is tied.

I find him so frustrating to watch - excellent running the ball, ordinary in defence, and poor effort areas.
Was he the numb nut that ruined our momentum last week? We had the field position and then some dip shit back rower knocked on on halfway. Game over.
 

Stevie

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OMG I don’t know who manages the currently unsigned in 27 Tannah Boyd but if he can’t earn him $1mil* per season from next year then he needs the sack.
 

Poupou Escobar

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You pay players according to their value, either current or forecast, end of story. That is my whole point. Just because you have a good 18yo, they dont need to be debuted and in fact it is reasonable Contract bargaining to not debut them prior to a signing a long term Contract. One of the few things Tigers have done right over the last 5 years is not debuting young players until they are signed to long term contracts. Bula & Galvin the most recent (didnt work out for Galvins merkinery....or did it?).
What are you talking about? TDS and Laulilii played fewer than 30 games for you before leaving. Makasini has played five games and he's free to negotiate with rivals in just over six months. And as you admit, Galvin only played 31 games for the Tigers.
I dont give a rats what Delboy is claiming, its not my point. I am merely saying that debuting 18yo's is a bad idea unless they are Fittler level kids.
Well Delboy's point was that we should debut more youngsters. Why do you care when you think I'm saying it (which I'm not btw)? Delboy said we should be doing it. All I said was that we have been doing it. I think we shouldn't, but for different reasons than yours.
Your list supports my point in that only 2 of 10 kicked on whereas Canberra are obviously more circumspect about blooging 18/19yo kids and they are having a better strike rate as a result.

How full of yourself would you need to be to think I'm worrying about "picking your posts apart". I didnt even criticise your post you narcissist.
You inferred from my post that I think we should debut high numbers of youngsters, while ignoring another poster who explicitly stated that we should.
Can you read? I literally said that debuting them young DID hurt their development. I gave multiple examples from the Tigers and made the point that only 2 of 10 made it from the Eels list you posted vs a club with more successful juniors that have only debuted half as many by taht age and a greater percentage make it. That is empirical data demonstrating that debuting them young hurts their development.
The data also supports my theory that they were never good enough, but were required to play first grade due to unavailability of other players. With our injury toll we might be forced to debut teenagers again this year. Not because we think it's good for their development, but out of necessity. Mature backups are a luxury we don't have this year.

And if we do play more youngsters in the NRL this year it won't help or harm their development. They will turn out the player they were always going to be. Just like all the Origin players who debuted in the NRL very young.
Mate not everything is a debate, or a competition of ideas. This is merely my opinion about something, and its an opinion about something you havent even expressed your opinion on. There is no need for a reflexive contrarian impulse.
It's up to each man to decide for himself whether there is a need for a reflexive contrarian impulse. And when you ignore someone else's ideas you disagree with and come after me because you assume they're my shit ideas, then I'm waking up in the morning and choosing reflexive contrarianism.
Are you making the case that the best players in the world, were also some of the best players when they were young?
Obviously. Other dudes are early bloomers without a high ceiling. These guys are usually mature for their age and good leaders, and they get picked young because it's believed they won't be overawed. Examples are Rankin and Jake Arthur.
 

hindy111

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I agree. Also, why aren't we going to Fiji and trying to find the next semi???? It worked the last time....found a superstar....and never went back....madness

It would be like going to karaoke bars and trying to find talent. Im sure you'd find the odd one but is it worth the hassle?
 
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