Rumours and Whingers and Occasional Optimism XXIX

[Incorrect]

It's why I said that Jennings potentially is a poor signing cap wise

He's not exactly lighting it up in attack so far either... Prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for now but I would like to see a fair bit more output in the coming months to justify his ongoing salary...

 

[The Colonel]

Agree. And he is obviously a leader and a big part of club morale.

I don't think he wants to go. We will get him cheaper than other clubs would need to pay him to leave.

And any of the replacements are not really as good, questionable as to whether they gel with Foran, or will cost shitloads to get - ie brooks or mbye

Yep. Exactly.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

would you replace him with hayne if he became available and wanted to play 6?

yes

 

[Casper The Ghost]

If we did lose Norman I would entice Mitchell Pearce to come over. He needs a change anyway.

Is it correct that he's on over 1 mill per season too?
If yes, what $$$$ do you expect would get him over to us?
Even considering his troubles, I can't see him coming over for less than $900k

 

[hineyrulz]

he won't be happy until we have got rid of every good player and replaced them with Ryan Morgan and Luke kelly

:lol: first Hayne, then Paulo and now Norman.

Who's next Semi???? :crazy:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I don't understand why you would separate the kicks from a dominant half argument.

Because one might be the dominant kicker without being the dominant playmaker, as we see in our team.

And I reckon Arfez' is laughing at your left/right half theory, because they, particularly Foran (because he's halfback), are playing very central to the ruck.

Just because they have freedom to switch sides inside the opposition 20 doesn't mean they aren't still generally playing left-right. Have a look at how they're set up for Paulo's try: https://youtu.be/tjOrFf2Ewrs?t=116

It's why our attack can look a bit stunted ATM but I hope they stick with it because it disorganises defences.

Of course we'll stick with it - every club uses their halves this way. Left and right from their goal line to the opposition 20 and then freedom to overload one side close to the opposition line. The only exceptions are the Cowboys (who split their 1 and 6) and the Dogs (who often use a middle forward at first receiver on shift plays).

Also can't believe after the last few years, you'd think signing Luke "Chris Sandow is my defensive coach" Brooks

I agree he's a weak defender, but he's already better than Sandow, and he is still very young (22 in December). He will improve. Won't he? :?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If we did lose Norman I would entice Mitchell Pearce to come over. He needs a change anyway.

Much maligned, Pearce is still very solid, physically and technically. I reckon he would cost as much as Norman on the open market.

 

[Avenger]

Much maligned, Pearce is still very solid, physically and technically. I reckon he would cost as much as Norman on the open market.

I'd take him in a heartbeat. He is a very good defender and a specialist right half. It also helps that he is best mates with Foran. It is reported that he is on $750K at the Roosters. This is the max I would give either him or Norman. Arthur knows best I suppose.

 

[lucablight]

According to the RLW mole Norman and Peats are likely to stay. I find it very surprising anybody would consider Mbye a better half than Norman.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Jennings will stuff up our cap I reckon.

I reckon we could've got someone not as good but could do a job at centre

Jennings, in my opinion has improved every game and lets not forget he was a very late inclusion. That said, i felt the same as you. Hopefully we are both proved wrong. We really need to get value for money as there is no doubt hes of a fair amount of coin.

 

[yy_cheng]

He's not exactly lighting it up in attack so far either... Prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for now but I would like to see a fair bit more output in the coming months to justify his ongoing salary...

He has surprised me defensively though.

However, I get the feeling that he thinks he is a centre and will camp himself on the left. i.e. he wont go looking for the ball like Semi did.

 

[84 Baby]

Because one might be the dominant kicker without being the dominant playmaker, as we see in our team.

You could have a dominant kicker, playmaker, tackler, song singer, whatever the f**ker... you'd still only have one dominant half yes as a combination of all those things? I was just pointing out flaws in your arguing.

Just because they have freedom to switch sides inside the opposition 20 doesn't mean they aren't still generally playing left-right. Have a look at how they're set up for Paulo's try: https://youtu.be/tjOrFf2Ewrs?t=116

Of course we'll stick with it - every club uses their halves this way. Left and right from their goal line to the opposition 20 and then freedom to overload one side close to the opposition line. The only exceptions are the Cowboys (who split their 1 and 6) and the Dogs (who often use a middle forward at first receiver on shift plays).

Split halves when you are hitting the ball up for half a set doesn't mean shit because it's just one-out hit-ups, so other players tend to stick in their defensive roles in case there is a quick turnover.

I'll give you that Norman is predominant left sided player, he does move behind the ruck when the right side play is on though, but how about you rewind your video to 1.28 and see how they are set up. Do they have the freedom to switch sides, or is it they have the freedom to split sides?

I agree he's a weak defender, but he's already better than Sandow, and he is still very young (22 in December). He will improve. Won't he? :?

You know who was also a weak defender, but already better than Sandow 2012-2015 and was young (23) and who could have improved. Chris f**king Sandow!

 

[Kornstar]

I'd take him in a heartbeat. He is a very good defender and a specialist right half. It also helps that he is best mates with Foran. It is reported that he is on $750K at the Roosters. This is the max I would give either him or Norman. Arthur knows best I suppose.

The new Roosters CEO said on the BSB after Mitchell's fine was handed down that it was 10% of his salary. He was fined 120k so that does not equal 750k to me........

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You could have a dominant kicker, playmaker, tackler, song singer, whatever the f**ker... you'd still only have one dominant half yes as a combination of all those things? I was just pointing out flaws in your arguing.

I find it useful to remove kicks when comparing how often two halves handle the ball, kicking being a fairly separate part of a half's game to his general play.

Split halves when you are hitting the ball up for half a set doesn't mean shit because it's just one-out hit-ups, so other players tend to stick in their defensive roles in case there is a quick turnover.

I'll give you that Norman is predominant left sided player, he does move behind the ruck when the right side play is on though, but how about you rewind your video to 1.28 and see how they are set up. Do they have the freedom to switch sides, or is it they have the freedom to split sides?

I dunno mate.

You know who was also a weak defender, but already better than Sandow 2012-2015 and was young (23) and who could have improved. Chris f**king Sandow!

That's the risk you take. James Maloney was such a poor defender he didn't play first grade until he was nearly 23, and didn't play his first full season until he was 24. But he went on to be not-shit enough to win three straight minor premierships.

 

[eels_fan]

I think keeping our halves pairing together for 4 years as opposed to changing one of them after 12 months of building combinations makes Norman's value higher to an equally skilled off contract player from another team.

For that reason alone Norman at $800k is better than say Mbye or Keary at $700k

 

[Casper The Ghost]

According to the RLW mole Norman and Peats are likely to stay. I find it very surprising anybody would consider Mbye a better half than Norman.

I don't think Mbye is better than Norman. To me it's the cap/$$$ issue. Norman possibly moving on for the $$$ is where I'm thinking of Mbye. Hope this ain't true about Norman and that he will accept less to stay with us because he really loves it here in so many ways.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

I think keeping our halves pairing together for 4 years as opposed to changing one of them after 12 months of building combinations makes Norman's value higher to an equally skilled off contract player from another team.

For that reason alone Norman at $800k is better than say Mbye or Keary at $700k

Agreed with all this.

 

[yy_cheng]

Eff it, lets just keep Kelly. Not use to this winning all the time.

 

[84 Baby]

I find it useful to remove kicks when comparing how often two halves handle the ball, kicking being a fairly separate part of a half's game to his general play.

Then what about attacking kicks, kicks to get dropouts, field goal attempts? And then you are just straight taking them out and not adjusting as to a % of touches.

I dunno mate.

I'm sorry you'll have to speak up, I didn't read that

That's the risk you take. James Maloney was such a poor defender he didn't play first grade until he was nearly 23, and didn't play his first full season until he was 24. But he went on to be not-shit enough to win three straight minor premierships.

This would hold more water if we were the Roosters of the past 3 years

 

[Rhyno]

Klemmer will be our new signing