Rumours (signings, sackings & other NRL stuff)

[Tiger05]

our ruck speed was so slow

This is the issue in our team. We need to roll over the top of teams and then hope our spine are worth their pay packet.

I think our outside backs are fine. I think most of the forwards are fine but we are missing some grunt.

I think our squad is a lot better than how we've performed but maybe (hopefully) we are at a tipping point where a couple of improvements would make a big difference to our performances.

 

[Tigerm]

This is the issue in our team. We need to roll over the top of teams and then hope our spine are worth their pay packet.

I think our outside backs are fine. I think most of the forwards are fine but we are missing some grunt.

I think our squad is a lot better than how we've performed but maybe (hopefully) we are at a tipping point where a couple of improvements would make a big difference to our performances.

We did it for the first 20 mins, then just fell away, a story repeats many times over the years, unfortunately.
But I agree, we do have upside, if we can play with intensity for the 80 mins.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Tbh I can't remember to much about his Panther games leading up to his GF win but his HKR highlights are impressive.
I know it's not up to NRL standards over there but he certainly has game that's for sure.
I wonder what the chemistry is like with his brothers atm. They are urging the tigers to sign him.
The brothers would make an impressive centre combo playing outside Latu and Rommy.
If Tyrone now shows remorse for doing something terrible and has learnt from it then I'm not going to cast the first stone. As long as he's repented then I'm all for his signature.

I was Tyrone’s harshest critic because he let people I know down at the panthers.

The panthers on the prowl folk, do the schools, handicapped and charities.
They are solid kind folk.

And they spent a lot of time with him trying to help him and when he carried on post grand final, he threw their efforts away, that was very bad.

But he’s acknowledged the errors of his ways, gone public with it and warned other youngsters not to go down his path.

So I don’t respect him, but I can more readily tolerate his presence. Im not for or against him joining us on a personality level. It’s only whether there is any merit in his appointment footy wise. On the balance, he’d need to show cause on that.

What would he bring to the side?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

We haven’t seen the ex panthers play as they used to.

Many reasons I suppose.

I will say however, Ivan is the real deal gun coach, but he shouldn’t have left us when he did and the way he did it was ordinary.

Our game throws up so many ethical issues for us, part of its rich tapestry.

The truth is probably stranger than the fiction we get from msm!

 

[Tigerm]

I was Tyrone’s harshest critic because he let people I know down at the panthers.

The panthers on the prowl folk, do the schools, handicapped and charities.
They are solid kind folk.

And they spent a lot of time with him trying to help him and when he carried on post grand final, he threw their efforts away, that was very bad.

But he’s acknowledged the errors of his ways, gone public with it and warned other youngsters not to go down his path.

So I don’t respect him, but I can more readily tolerate his presence. Im not for or against him joining us on a personality level. It’s only whether there is any merit in his appointment footy wise. On the balance, he’d need to show cause on that.

What would he bring to the side?

I think brothers playing with each other is pretty powerful, having 3 should be dynamite, they'll know each other's game, like the Fainu's and soon hopefully the luillii's (spelling) ha.
But I'm with @Nutz I don't anything about him, I know they want him here, Terrell has said numerous times and TBH, if he's half as good as either brother, he will add benefit, imo.
But I don't think there is any indication that the club is interested.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I think brothers playing with each other is pretty powerful, having 3 should be dynamite, they'll know each other's game, like the Fainu's and soon hopefully the luillii's (spelling) ha.
But I'm with @Nutz I don't anything about him, I know they want him here, Terrell has said numerous times and TBH, if he's half as good as either brother, he will add benefit, imo.
But I don't think there is any indication that the club is interested.

Yeah I’m neutral.

if he adds something, I’m all in, but I don’t know.

 

[WA Tiger]

They’re all very good.. there’s no reason for neutral apart from extracariculla

 

[Tigerm]

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Swap for Keon and $350k

He’s exactly the kind of player we need.

 

[Tiger05]

Swap for Keon and $350k

He’s exactly the kind of player we need.

No chance of it happening though. That is the type of player we need to target though.

 

[TheDefinitionOfMadness]

We did it for the first 20 mins, then just fell away, a story repeats many times over the years, unfortunately.
But I agree, we do have upside, if we can play with intensity for the 80 mins.

We haven't put up an 80 minute performance for many, many years. I don't believe we're capable of it.

The reason why we start going downhill after 20 mins each half, and get progressively worse until the last 5 mins when we implode and concede a try every game is because:

1. We're mentally weak
2. We're physically weak
3. We're not fit.

When I say they're weak and not fit I mean by elite NRL standards. One of the other problems is that we probably think we're fine in these 3 areas, which we're not. Either that or they just don't care.

Either way, we are a long way from being competitive and making the 8. Some people talk like we're not far away from the top 4 and making GFs, which to me is incomprehensible. I just don't see anything at the club from ownership, management, coaching, or players that makes me think we'll make the 8 in the next 10 years.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

No chance of it happening though. That is the type of player we need to target though.

I think he goes to market for talks in November.

A reported 650k now, he’d be worth a bit more than that as he stays prime.

He only knows one way this guy, massive motor, massive heart.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

We haven't put up an 80 minute performance for many, many years. I don't believe we're capable of it.

The reason why we start going downhill after 20 mins each half, and get progressively worse until the last 5 mins when we implode and concede a try every game is because:

1. We're mentally weak
2. We're physically weak
3. We're not fit.

When I say they're weak and not fit I mean by elite NRL standards. One of the other problems is that we probably think we're fine in these 3 areas, which we're not. Either that or they just don't care.

Either way, we are a long way from being competitive and making the 8. Some people talk like we're not far away from the top 4 and making GFs, which to me is incomprehensible. I just don't see anything at the club from ownership, management, coaching, or players that makes me think we'll make the 8 in the next 10 years.

You are right to question the decision makers and under the current arrangements, short term prospects look pretty grim.

We’ve got some good players, but theres big gaps, Benji and Richo and the stats lady aren’t recruiting properly and it’s pretty obvious that Benji is not the right coach.

He’s just not able to motivate players to perform. Fitness is very ordinary and the discipline is rubbish.

I don’t even watch the press conferences anymore as I’m not especially interested in what Benjis got to say. It’s all hocus pocus, pretence nonsense.

I think we could make the 8 in 3 years with some bold calls and blood letting.

if there’s one thing we are used to it’s bloodletting.

We had a mid year review and decisions were made…then we go backwards.

Letting TDS simply walk off into the night at this point was self harm.

There’s many other failings and it borders on systemic as you evoke.

 

[glockers]

I've seen a Code Sports Headline about Hamlin-Uele and Talakai being on the outer. Both would be targets worth pursuing. More so Talakai to fill the second row and centre spots.

Fermour also rumoured to be leaving the Titans. That's another one worth pursuing.

 

[Tiger05]

We haven't put up an 80 minute performance for many, many years. I don't believe we're capable of it.

The reason why we start going downhill after 20 mins each half, and get progressively worse until the last 5 mins when we implode and concede a try every game is because:

1. We're mentally weak
2. We're physically weak
3. We're not fit.

When I say they're weak and not fit I mean by elite NRL standards. One of the other problems is that we probably think we're fine in these 3 areas, which we're not. Either that or they just don't care.

Either way, we are a long way from being competitive and making the 8. Some people talk like we're not far away from the top 4 and making GFs, which to me is incomprehensible. I just don't see anything at the club from ownership, management, coaching, or players that makes me think we'll make the 8 in the next 10 years.

I disagree with this basically completely. If it was fitness it'd be an easy fix.

I think it's just as simple an issue but much harder to fix. We lack forwards with leg drive and power. We lack explosiveness.

If it was fitness or mentally toughness you'd fix it by getting rid of players who weren't mentally tough and simply getting them fit.

We need a pack that can bust the line and make their tackles consistently.

I watched Stef play last night and he did exactly what is required from our forwards but we don't have a forward like him. This pisses me off as well. The guy always had the potential. That is the only game I've seen him play to his potential. I don't think the club did anything wrong either. The guy may (and it was only one game) be starting to play to his potential. We went after him and we developed him. Sometimes it takes time. Melbourne got him via dodgy deals and Stef wanting an easy path.

I want to be clear on Stef as well. I think the club developed him well. To be a top sportsman it takes time to develop your game. Maybe Stef is getting to his peak now. I don't believe Melbourne have done anything special.

I think as soon as we get a pack that can rip and tear we have the outside backs to compete. Then it's up to our spine to win us games but it starts with the pack.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I disagree with this basically completely. If it was fitness it'd be an easy fix.

I think it's just as simple an issue but much harder to fix. We lack forwards with leg drive and power. We lack explosiveness.

If it was fitness or mentally toughness you'd fix it by getting rid of players who weren't mentally tough and simply getting them fit.

We need a pack that can bust the line and make their tackles consistently.

I watched Stef play last night and he did exactly what is required from our forwards but we don't have a forward like him. This pisses me off as well. The guy always had the potential. That is the only game I've seen him play to his potential. I don't think the club did anything wrong either. The guy may (and it was only one game) be starting to play to his potential. We went after him and we developed him. Sometimes it takes time. Melbourne got him via dodgy deals and Stef wanting an easy path.

I want to be clear on Stef as well. I think the club developed him well. To be a top sportsman it takes time to develop your game. Maybe Stef is getting to his peak now. I don't believe Melbourne have done anything special.

I think as soon as we get a pack that can rip and tear we have the outside backs to compete. Then it's up to our spine to win us games but it starts with the pack.

I think it’s up to the footy staff to identify and nurture the talent.

Mentally and physically.

And our current mob don’t appear to be managing it.

It may not be an effort thing but an ability issue. Techniques and programs installed by the footy dept aren’t delivering.

Less than a handful of players in the roster are close.

My educated guess is that Benji and Co have tried many different ways to motivate and teach our players, but haven’t been able to nail the formula.


We have better players this season, so the lack of achievement is comparatively worse than our performance last season.

Richo has doubled down on his support for Benji and his team which at this point as CEO is ridiculous. His public support of Benji is a substantial part of his representations and he’s oblivious to the growing concern about his lack of talent and strange behaviour.

They are way too close as personal friends for any performance criterion to be objectively assessed. Richo has stressed his close friendship with Benji over and over.

I’m personally tired of the mates project. Getting stomped on by morons with footy IQs of a gnat. It was bad under Tim and it’s bad now.

It’s borderline incompetence and negligent to keep on with the same schtick. To hold us with contempt by lying to us over and over. Promising rubbish. They should just come clean and tells that results don’t matter, so long as the snouts are so embedded in the muck we can’t see their ears.

Richo keeps saying everything is improving, this was said by Lee a week before he was taken to with an axe by HBG.



I’d be cutting every senior club officers salary myself.

 

[Tiger05]

I think it’s up to the footy staff to identify and nurture the talent.

Agreed but you can't keep players here if they don't want to be here. Stef and Galvin are two examples of this.

It may not be an effort thing but an ability issue.

I don't think it's effort. Our pack has been getting rolled consistently and I think that means the pack at this point including our depth is not up to it.

We have better players this season, so the lack of achievement is comparatively worse than our performance last season.

Agreed. This sucks.

Richo has doubled down on his support for Benji and his team which at this point as CEO is ridiculous. His public support of Benji is a substantial part of his representations and he’s oblivious to the growing concern about his lack of talent and strange behaviour.

I don't want to sack Benji. I don't think we can keep changing approaches. I think Richo is all in because that is the best option.

I think we have to improve our middle forward roster. That means lock/prop position. If we fix that and our spine doesn't make us a top 4 team than we can assess other issues.

It's a shitty situation.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Agreed but you can't keep players here if they don't want to be here. Stef and Galvin are two examples of this.



I don't think it's effort. Our pack has been getting rolled consistently and I think that means the pack at this point including our depth is not up to it.



Agreed. This sucks.



I don't want to sack Benji. I don't think we can keep changing approaches. I think Richo is all in because that is the best option.

I think we have to improve our middle forward roster. That means lock/prop position. If we fix that and our spine doesn't make us a top 4 team than we can assess other issues.

It's a shitty situation.

Fair enough, im releasing some frustration.

If something is not working, it needs to be fixed and at the moment, Benji isn’t working. He’s gotta go I think.

But he’s not the only issue, he’s the product of a dysfunctional office and #mateslife.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

At the start of the season, the market had us 10th to 12th place now it’s all hands on deck to avoid yet another spoon.

Our defence is in the bottom clump of teams and our for and against is a dumpster fire.

Very disappointing.

 

[Nutz]

We basically fall over during games.
If every player knew that they are going to die if they lost a game, they would be alert and desperate to stop the opposition from scoring.
They would tackle harder and run faster and not give up for 80mins.
You might laugh at this but I've seen a lack of concentration and effort far too many times this year. They can play with intesity but not for the whole game....they simply lack desperate measures.
How can one week they bundle a winger into touch near the corner post saving a try but the following week, or even later in the game, they fail to cover....go figure.