Rumours (signings, sackings & other NRL stuff)

[The Silverdale Phantom]

The brains a different beast and from all accounts this injury is at the high end of bad

Yes. So it goes Way that weightlifters, their bodies break through pain thanks to their mindpower and occasionally, their bones and their innards break through their skin.

That’s how tough the mind can be.

And why people are divided as to its nature.

 

[WA Tiger]

Yes. So it goes Way that weightlifters, their bodies break through pain thanks to their mindpower and occasionally, their bones and their innards break through their skin.

That’s how tough the mind can be.

And why people are divided as to its nature.

Just hope no one of consequence saw it and thought - tough Tongan he will be ok ? Sound like a dumb thing to say and it prob is.. Still

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Just hope no one of consequence saw it and thought tought - tough Tongan he will be ok ? Sound like a dumb thing to say and it prob is.. Still

When Robbo said marky mark was the “best Polynesian winger around” earlier this year.

@Generalzod and I were wondering if the country of Polynesia was going to play in the pacific championship?!!

 

[Tiger05]

The brains a different beast and from all accounts this injury is at the high end of bad

I don't know how bad it is but it doesn't sound good does it. I wonder how Melbourne are affected. Screw them but I feel for Katao.

 

[WA Tiger]

I don't know how bad it is but it doesn't sound good does it. I wonder how Melbourne are affected. Screw them but I feel for Katao.

This is Alex McKinnon level re consequences for Katoas future and how avoidable it was

 

[WA Tiger]

In a sick way you could say the gods are returning serve

 

[Nutz]

I don't know how bad it is but it doesn't sound good does it. I wonder how Melbourne are affected. Screw them but I feel for Katao.

I feel for the guy too, nice lad who plays hard. The nature of our sport is the clubs want players to do super human activities which by nature could cause serious long term injuries.
When something like a brain bleed happens as is the case with Eliesa, the clubs and the NRL have their hearts in their mouths hoping it's not the worst outcome. We all do.
Sorry for reading this thread late but I now know that he suffered a head knock in warm ups and a further 2 during the game.
OMG, how did this happen. Was the doctor informed of the warm up incident. If he was, he should have not played on after the first game head knock.... unbelievable. I still don't know the facts so I'll stay quiet, unless someone else knows more.

I can recall similar activity that forced players out of the game. Matt Hodson, I think was the only one who suffered a small brain bleed but others were from repeated concussions.
Shontayne Hape – effectively medical retired (serious neurological damage)
Boyd Cordner, multible head knocks
Jake Friend, multible head knocks
Matt Hodgson - small brain bleed and after an extended break from the game he returned to play.
James Graham - self-retired after brain scans showed lesions.
Kieran Foran, extended break, came back to play. Unsure though as he did have a bad bicep injury which might have been the cause for the layoff.
So really this is ground breaking territory and it with be interesting to see how it all pans out. Regardless, all the best Eliesa Katoa.

This link is a good source for how the NRL approaches the matter.

Concussion - Management and Return to Play

Find information relating to concussion symptoms and management.

www.playrugbyleague.com

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I feel for the guy too, nice lad who plays hard. The nature of our sport is the clubs want players to do super human activities which by nature could cause serious long term injuries.
When something like a brain bleed happens as is the case with Eliesa, the clubs and the NRL have their hearts in their mouths hoping it's not the worst outcome. We all do.
Sorry for reading this thread late but I now know that he suffered a head knock in warm ups and a further 2 during the game.
OMG, how did this happen. Was the doctor informed of the warm up incident. If he was, he should have not played on after the first game head knock.... unbelievable. I still don't know the facts so I'll stay quiet, unless someone else knows more.

I can recall similar activity that forced players out of the game. Matt Hodson, I think was the only one who suffered a small brain bleed but others were from repeated concussions.
Shontayne Hape – effectively medical retired (serious neurological damage)
Boyd Cordner, multible head knocks
Jake Friend, multible head knocks
Matt Hodgson - small brain bleed and after an extended break from the game he returned to play.
James Graham - self-retired after brain scans showed lesions.
Kieran Foran, extended break, came back to play. Unsure though as he did have a bad bicep injury which might have been the cause for the layoff.
So really this is ground breaking territory and it with be interesting to see how it all pans out. Regardless, all the best Eliesa Katoa.

This link is a good source for how the NRL approaches the matter.

Concussion - Management and Return to Play

Find information relating to concussion symptoms and management.

www.playrugbyleague.com

I feel for the guy too, nice lad who plays hard. The nature of our sport is the clubs want players to do super human activities which by nature could cause serious long term injuries.
When something like a brain bleed happens as is the case with Eliesa, the clubs and the NRL have their hearts in their mouths hoping it's not the worst outcome. We all do.
Sorry for reading this thread late but I now know that he suffered a head knock in warm ups and a further 2 during the game.
OMG, how did this happen. Was the doctor informed of the warm up incident. If he was, he should have not played on after the first game head knock.... unbelievable. I still don't know the facts so I'll stay quiet, unless someone else knows more.

I can recall similar activity that forced players out of the game. Matt Hodson, I think was the only one who suffered a small brain bleed but others were from repeated concussions.
Shontayne Hape – effectively medical retired (serious neurological damage)
Boyd Cordner, multible head knocks
Jake Friend, multible head knocks
Matt Hodgson - small brain bleed and after an extended break from the game he returned to play.
James Graham - self-retired after brain scans showed lesions.
Kieran Foran, extended break, came back to play. Unsure though as he did have a bad bicep injury which might have been the cause for the layoff.
So really this is ground breaking territory and it with be interesting to see how it all pans out. Regardless, all the best Eliesa Katoa.

This link is a good source for how the NRL approaches the matter.

Concussion - Management and Return to Play

Find information relating to concussion symptoms and management.

www.playrugbyleague.com

I’m sick of these serious injuries.

If I ever walk out on the game, one of the reasons will be the lack of protection for our players.

Double nutzy quote but so be it.

 

[WA Tiger]

You’d have to think that the nrl bosses wish the Katoa investigation could just disappear. I think we all expect there to be no more than a slap in the face with a wet lettuce. Just like with McKinnon where all those directly to blame walked off with no apparent concern or consequence..

One things for sure, once Katoa gets legal advice and wakes up to the fact that
1 he’s not playing again
2 he’s not on the side of the nrl. In fact when the legal battle erupts they are his mortal enemy.
Then things may get interesting

To avoid looking like they don’t really care about player safety which I think is the apparent sentiment some heads may nead to roll. Even though this is something they see as the very last resort. If they can get away with a player that loses his significant livelihood -(this guy is/was very top tier) just being moved on in favour of a coach - wolf who could make an impact as an nrl coach..and / or medical personal involved, they would jump at that opportunity
Unfortunately for the nrl they may have no choice but to make some shocking and difficult though commendable decisions regarding careers in the game.. for no other reason than it’s the right thing to do

 

[TheDefinitionOfMadness]

If I was the Tongan team doctor or part of the training staff I'd be very nervous right about now. From all reports, when he got knocked out in the warm up, he was on the ground with either a trainer or the doctor (reports vary) cradling his head. That on it's own should have been enough to rule him out of the game. When he went off during the game for his 1st HIA (2nd of the afternoon) he shouldn't have even been given a test. He should have been ruled out.

Everyone knows these rules. They're not new.

The Tongan staff have failed in their duty of care to the player. Massively.

I'd say those trainers and doctors will be banned for a long period of time, possibly life. And rightfully so. If the investigation proves the doctor knew about the 1st pre-game knockout, and let him continue into the game, and then cleared him again after the 2nd head knock...........well the doctor could potentially be struck off. And if they had full knowledge, they probably should be.

I'm of the belief that if a player is hit in the head and can't get to their feet in 5 seconds, them that's their afternoon over and done with. It tightens up the duty of care, protects players from themselves, and would also stop uninjured players from laying down and looking to milk a penalty.

I don't think the NRL have anything to worry about from a legal standpoint. They've put the rules in place to make the game as safe as possible and the Tongan support staff have ignored them. The blame lies with them.

 

[Nutz]

If I was the Tongan team doctor or part of the training staff I'd be very nervous right about now. From all reports, when he got knocked out in the warm up, he was on the ground with either a trainer or the doctor (reports vary) cradling his head. That on it's own should have been enough to rule him out of the game. When he went off during the game for his 1st HIA (2nd of the afternoon) he shouldn't have even been given a test. He should have been ruled out.

Everyone knows these rules. They're not new.

The Tongan staff have failed in their duty of care to the player. Massively.

I'd say those trainers and doctors will be banned for a long period of time, possibly life. And rightfully so. If the investigation proves the doctor knew about the 1st pre-game knockout, and let him continue into the game, and then cleared him again after the 2nd head knock...........well the doctor could potentially be struck off. And if they had full knowledge, they probably should be.

I'm of the belief that if a player is hit in the head and can't get to their feet in 5 seconds, them that's their afternoon over and done with. It tightens up the duty of care, protects players from themselves, and would also stop uninjured players from laying down and looking to milk a penalty.

I don't think the NRL have anything to worry about from a legal standpoint. They've put the rules in place to make the game as safe as possible and the Tongan support staff have ignored them. The blame lies with them.

OMG. Menwhile the poor player has to come to grips with all this, as does his family and close friends too. Sad.

 

[Nutz]

Another Luai signs with us.
I can hear it now. Fainu no look pass to Fainu, quick pass back to Fainu, out to Luai, Luai onto May back onto big May who craches over , TRY TRY TRY, Goodbye!

"Quiet achiever": Wests Tigers sign another member of the Luai family

He has been compared to Brian To’o.

www.zerotackle.com

 

[TheDefinitionOfMadness]

OMG. Menwhile the poor player has to come to grips with all this, as dos his family and close friends too. Sad.

I just hope that he's saved or invested his money to date wisely and has a few more years to run on his contract so he'll be set up OK. The men of league foundation is good at looking after players.

It's very doubtful he'll ever be in a position to play again.

You can come back from a brain injury though in life. A mate of mine had an anurisym (nothing to do with sports, just unluck of the draw) and had to have major surgery, but after a long recovery is fine now.

 

[Nutz]

I just hope that he's saved or invested his money to date wisely and has a few more years to run on his contract so he'll be set up OK. The men of league foundation is good at looking after players.

It's very doubtful he'll ever be in a position to play again.

You can come back from a brain injury though in life. A mate of mine had an anurisym (nothing to do with sports, just unluck of the draw) and had to have major surgery, but after a long recovery is fine now.

I'm sure these type of injuries all have neurological effects on moods, anxiety, aggression later on in life. It has with me. My noggin is only now giving me migraines 20 years after a scull fracture.
Who knows,
Gillmeister's latest run in with the Law could be all part of it.
There wasn't much happening regarding prevention of head injuries in his day and now we say, "what an idiot" ?????

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

If I was the Tongan team doctor or part of the training staff I'd be very nervous right about now. From all reports, when he got knocked out in the warm up, he was on the ground with either a trainer or the doctor (reports vary) cradling his head. That on it's own should have been enough to rule him out of the game. When he went off during the game for his 1st HIA (2nd of the afternoon) he shouldn't have even been given a test. He should have been ruled out.

Everyone knows these rules. They're not new.

The Tongan staff have failed in their duty of care to the player. Massively.

I'd say those trainers and doctors will be banned for a long period of time, possibly life. And rightfully so. If the investigation proves the doctor knew about the 1st pre-game knockout, and let him continue into the game, and then cleared him again after the 2nd head knock...........well the doctor could potentially be struck off. And if they had full knowledge, they probably should be.

I'm of the belief that if a player is hit in the head and can't get to their feet in 5 seconds, them that's their afternoon over and done with. It tightens up the duty of care, protects players from themselves, and would also stop uninjured players from laying down and looking to milk a penalty.

I don't think the NRL have anything to worry about from a legal standpoint. They've put the rules in place to make the game as safe as possible and the Tongan support staff have ignored them. The blame lies with them.

Some good points.

But the NRL might be held negligent or reckless by not monitoring or enforcing them at the time.

You’d argue that it’s reasonably foreseeable that in any contest, the teams doctors and staff, torn between obligations, would chose the good of the side over the good of the player.

The buck stops with the ones in control.

Im still reeling from the death of that Manly kid tbh. Who was held accountable for that?

Cheers.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Letting team doctors and staff decide health conditions of injured players, is rubbish.

You couldn’t put a person in a greater conflict of interest scenario.

We need a proper independent medical regime, appointed by the AMA, not answerable to anyone in our sport.

Force the clubs to chip in to pay for it

Or the NRL -it’s making a killing, they can contribute.

I’d rather shut the whole sport down than see another player killed, maimed or become a vegetable.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

If we sit back and allow this shiz to continue, without speaking up, as fans we are no better than the crowd in the ancient times watching the Christian’s get eaten by lions.

…anyway rant over. The nrl is one totally f**ked up organisation.

 

[Tigerm]

I didn't mind him, I hope his career isn't finished yet.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I didn't mind him, I hope his career isn't finished yet.

Yeah he’s a good guy.

Id say he has a get out clause if the nrl come knocking. I’d even say that’s likely over a long and gruelling season.

He was born with a sprinkle of X factor. Not in huge quantities, but traceable using a league-a-scope.

Most players have zero or even negative readings!

Poor Dane Laurie, he had a false positive to X factor. He’s not the only one.

 

[Tigerm]

EXCLUSIVE: Farewelled Tiger ready for new chapter, chasing NRL lifeline

He has eight NRL and ten international appearances to his name.

www.zerotackle.com

Ruben Porter gone, no surprise I guess.
But good luck to him.