Sack Flanagan

[twinkletoes]

To be honest we are going backwards…. how many years of transition do we need

 

[56to66]

We needs to find the equivalent of Uncle Nick, we have a bunch of losers running the club from top to bottom!

 

[I'm Hornby]

To be honest we are going backwards…. how many years of transition do we need

Yep absolutely and it is the complete opposite of Flanagan's own rhetoric since he became coach.

He is using this as a bullshit excuse now.

 

[jeffdragon]

Our injuries wouldn't improve us that much as they aren't superstars

 

[InFlannoWeTrust]

What was our excuse last year

so you want a coach to win a comp in the first year or arriving at a club who’s been in the bottom half for years hahaha

things to take. As they say. Rome wasn’t built in a day

 

[I'm Hornby]

so you want a coach to win a comp in the first year or arriving at a club who’s been in the bottom half for years hahaha

things to take. As they say. Rome wasn’t built in a day

How did Webster go first year in charge of the warriors and how did they go the year before that?

We've been crap for an extended period of time now and Flanagan was supposed to be the experienced premiership winning coach who would correct course quick smart.

 

[twinkletoes]

so you want a coach to win a comp in the first year or arriving at a club who’s been in the bottom half for years hahaha

things to take. As they say. Rome wasn’t built in a day

Unfortunately this years result will be worse than last….we are going backwards not improving. We will be lucky not to finish in the bottom 4… a lot of other teams have improved…. we have not…. We are told another transition year…. transition to what??? Juniors coming through will become disillusioned and leave….. without a leader who can ice close games next year will be another like this… maybe worse seeing we will be without our best defender JDB

 

[offiah]

There’s a lot of complaining about our recruitment. The lack of middles, the nepo 7 situation. So what is the value of our squad vs the roosters? We must be talking millions in difference. Yet the expectation is we should win? We pushed these guys all the way. Also pushed the number 1 team last week to the limit too.

Let’s be realistic, Flanno most weeks has them performing above their level. There’s a recruitment problem more than a coaching problem.

 

[I'm Hornby]

There’s a lot of complaining about our recruitment. The lack of middles, the nepo 7 situation. So what is the value of our squad vs the roosters? We must be talking millions in difference. Yet the expectation is we should win? We pushed these guys all the way. Also pushed the number 1 team last week to the limit too.

Let’s be realistic, Flanno most weeks has them performing above their level. There’s a recruitment problem more than a coaching problem.

There are countless areas of the game that are 'coachable areas' and we are sorely lacking in these which are Flanagan's responsibility such as:

- Kick chase - we often do not chase kicks effectively and on occasion pass it to a second rower such as Su'a to put a kick in.

- Line speed - speaks for itself. Non existent.

- Completing sets - We've had many woeful completion rates this season.

- last tackle options - ie passing to Su'a or Val on the last tackle when in good ball. Kyle kicking down the throat of the opposition back three when not in good ball.

- Set plays - besides our sweeping plays out to the wings, we seem to lack any other decent set plays which lead to points. The roosters adjusted to this in the second half and we had no answers once our one play was cut off.

So I disagree, performance is still an issue and will remain one while Flanagan is coaching.

 

[mattw5]

Spot on mate but just a refresh on some of the logic of our old mates on here:

- Flanagan needs more time at the 1.5 year mark of his 3 year deal because we're rebuilding from Griffin's two and a half seasons as coach.

- In Griffin's two and a half seasons, he had ample time to rebuild from his predecessor Mary's six years as coach. However please don't compare this to the time Flanagan has had now as it hurts too many feelings.

- Griffin definitely had the roster he wanted in the same amount of time as Flanagan, but Flanagan doesn't have his roster yet. Don't ask why, just coz.

- Even though it is likely we will have a worse season this year than last, well nothing to see here as we had injuries, lost some close games and how good that some juniors got a run this year. This alone is why Flanagan should be extended.

Anyway to conclude, I cannot wait for this fool of a coach to be moved on and we get a coach who actually has some integrity and knowledge.

Who? Dean Young get off the pipe

 

[offiah]

There are countless areas of the game that are 'coachable areas' and we are sorely lacking in these which are Flanagan's responsibility such as:

- Kick chase - we often do not chase kicks effectively and on occasion pass it to a second rower such as Su'a to put a kick in.

- Line speed - speaks for itself. Non existent.

- Completing sets - We've had many woeful completion rates this season.

- last tackle options - ie passing to Su'a or Val on the last tackle when in good ball. Kyle kicking down the throat of the opposition back three when not in good ball.

- Set plays - besides our sweeping plays out to the wings, we seem to lack any other decent set plays which lead to points. The roosters adjusted to this in the second half and we had no answers once our one play was cut off.

So I disagree, performance is still an issue and will remain one while Flanagan is coaching.

Disagree.

The only possibles to even make their team are probably Holmes and Sua. Physically we are not at their level, so we can’t maintain line speed, ruck control, kick chase etc. Kick options are coming from this nepo 7 so many whinge about, as a player that shouldn’t even be there there? Thats having it both ways.

 

[saintmar]

Di

Disagree.

The only possibles to even make their team are probably Holmes and Sua. Physically we are not at their level, so we can’t maintain line speed, ruck control, kick chase etc. Kick options are coming from this nepo 7 so many whinge about, as a player that shouldn’t even be there there? Thats have it both ways.

So whos level are we at cause we finished 11th under Griffin in his last full year and he was sacked?

 

[saintmar]

There’s a lot of complaining about our recruitment. The lack of middles, the nepo 7 situation. So what is the value of our squad vs the roosters? We must be talking millions in difference. Yet the expectation is we should win? We pushed these guys all the way. Also pushed the number 1 team last week to the limit too.

Let’s be realistic, Flanno most weeks has them performing above their level. There’s a recruitment problem more than a coaching problem.

He is the coach AND
You only get to recruit the people who want to play for you
The buck stops there
‘The problem is staring us in the face lets not pretend we can not see it

 

[thebigredv]

Another game we should have won, lost.
We are so prone to losing that we have pretty much forgotten how to win a contested game.
Our coaches of the last decade are just not winners. Not Flanagan bashing but he clearly doesn't know how to instil what is needed to be a top 4 team team, at least with the calibre of players he would ever be able to assemble.
2026 might be an improvement, but I don't really know how we can quickly do away with our losing mentality. Teams get this way when mediocrity is set as a standard.
We've been talking about this for years and now we are paying the price all over again.

What a hollow feeling.
Should have got the job done for Su'A but Suli, Lawrie and Klemmer just doing things in our own half that we should have done away with years ago.

And here's the thing, they will be invited to do it again next week, and forgiven.

 

[InFlannoWeTrust]

There’s a lot of complaining about our recruitment. The lack of middles, the nepo 7 situation. So what is the value of our squad vs the roosters? We must be talking millions in difference. Yet the expectation is we should win? We pushed these guys all the way. Also pushed the number 1 team last week to the limit too.

Let’s be realistic, Flanno most weeks has them performing above their level. There’s a recruitment problem more than a coaching problem.

Excellent post! And when you say recruitment , definitely not the staffs fault. That’s the clubs fault for being so poor for Soo long! And clubs fault for not having proper recruitment staff to sell the finished product. Even a decent ceo!! UNTIL now with watsford & hopefully the landing of Anderson.

 

[InFlannoWeTrust]

Another game we should have won, lost.
We are so prone to losing that we have pretty much forgotten how to win a contested game.
Our coaches of the last decade are just not winners. Not Flanagan bashing but he clearly doesn't know how to instil what is needed to be a top 4 team team, at least with the calibre of players he would ever be able to assemble.
2026 might be an improvement, but I don't really know how we can quickly do away with our losing mentality. Teams get this way when mediocrity is set as a standard.
We've been talking about this for years and now we are paying the price all over again.

What a hollow feeling.
Should have got the job done for Su'A but Suli, Lawrie and Klemmer just doing things in our own half that we should have done away with years ago.

And here's the thing, they will be invited to do it again next week, and forgiven.

Honestly mate. Have you f**king seen our squad?
Sloan & finau on the wing who can’t defend for the life of them. (Most our tries leaked from)
CT INJURED
FEAGAI INJURED
ALLAN POOR
RAMSEY

get ct back and I think that strengths us on the edge (atleast one)

 

[InFlannoWeTrust]

As I mentioned last week again we’ll look at our forwards meters (take out JDB & edges)

Klemmer again leading at 113
Guler 112
Lawrie 57
Stewart 9

I don’t need to point out where our MAIN problem lies!!

 

[Dragonsteve2]

What I am finding frustrating this season is the belief that except for a few shockers this team is playing consistently better than previous years but is very likely to end up with a worse win/loss ratio. Three one point losses early in the season was always going to affect their final placement but the last 2 winnable games have been lost thru very poor handling. Easts were gifted 2 simple tries in the first 10 mins yesterday thru dropping the ball in their own 20. How important were those simple errors?
There have been some pluses like Toby C’s development, Stewart’s defence, Dylan E’s step into the NRL and the work of LKT who appeared to be the one spark in the backline yesterday.
I would be sticking with the coach for his contract period, but next year he must live or die according to team results. Finally I recognise the work Kyle does on the field but which other coach would stick by a half who has a 6 from 16 winning record while guiding his team around. See if Ilias has benefited from his time in the Cup.

 

[56to66]

Did I mention the St Sheilas Drongos are a shit club from top to bottom, bring back the St George Dragons!

 

[I'm Hornby]

Disagree.

The only possibles to even make their team are probably Holmes and Sua. Physically we are not at their level, so we can’t maintain line speed, ruck control, kick chase etc. Kick options are coming from this nepo 7 so many whinge about, as a player that shouldn’t even be there there? Thats having it both ways.

Yes well guess what? You can still criticise the poor outcomes from a player even if you believe the player shouldn't be in the team, so it certainly isn't having it both ways.

Flanagan has had two years now to recruit some quality players, that's more than a fair amount of time to improve the roster and this is now well and truly his roster as a result.

It's a ridiculous excuse for the insipid coaching ability of Flanagan.