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Sack Flanagan

Bayside Dragon

Juniors
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93
Hi everyone. Here's my take on what's going on.

Firstly, I'm excited at watching the crowds over the last 2 weeks. Numbers and involvement (singing and chanting etc ) is something I haven't seen at Dragons matches for so long. And these were matches we weren't expected to win. I think that's because we are playing a much more attractive style of football these days.

The NRL is as much an entertainment business as anything else. Sometimes also referred to as "The Big Show". (Tim Watsford must surely feel encouraged with what he's seeing.)

I also get that a lot of our posters are fairly elderly and impatient because - let's face it- they fear they won't be around for too many more seasons. They need their gratification NOW !!!!!!

So let's move on to everybody's bone of controversy. The Flanagans.

I remember we lost every game last year after Kyle was suspended for not going slack-jawed when Chrichton rammed his nose down his throat - in the midst of straining every other muscle in his body fighting for a fast play-the-ball! So what did that say about his value of being out there?

I am disappointed that Kyle doesn't go deeper to the line in attack. But I can also see why that is not happening. Footy is a war of attrition. Kyle is not the rocket people are wanting, he's the launch pad. His job appears to be to send the rockets up the middle. Did someone say you gotta earn the right (through the middle) to go wide?

Now to Shane. In football (soccer) the "coach" is called the manager. And that is essentially what he's doing. Is it any coach's responsibility to teach half- million dollar players how to tackle, how to pass, where to stand or where to run?

If you don't have the players with those innate abilities, then surely it's on the support staff to address those problems. If not, what the f*ck are they there for? That's probably something for Tim to look at.

In my view, Shane is doing a stellar job with the shitshow of a club he inherited -without a decent front office. He's getting the team 'ready to play'. The fact that the players are getting gassed or can't maintain that energy after 40 mins is someone else's problems.

By the way, can everybody drop the crap about Shane having the team he wants? The team he wants doesn't want to come here.....yet.

And half of what he has are still learning about the NRL!!!

Until we have the ruthless, bullpit cattle up front ( like Bennett gave us), -the most we should expect is players having a dig and playing a style that keeps the crowds coming in. In the modern landscape of sports entertainment - winning is not everything. Packed, excited sellout crowds is. And maybe that really comes down to fans turning up expecting their team to be in the contest. And Shane has provided that more times than not.

Tim Watsford understands this. That's why he is where he is....and we're not.
 

Bayside Dragon

Juniors
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93
Yes well guess what? You can still criticise the poor outcomes from a player even if you believe the player shouldn't be in the team, so it certainly isn't having it both ways.

Flanagan has had two years now to recruit some quality players, that's more than a fair amount of time to improve the roster and this is now well and truly his roster as a result.

It's a ridiculous excuse for the insipid coaching ability of Flanagan.
Mate, I get that you understand the basics of park football. We're all discussing the NRL here. Apparently that's too big a beast for you and your mates to wrap your heads around - with all the nuances, intrigues and by-plays that constitutes sports entertainment in that space.

Preaching anarchy and 'blowing up the place' doesn't always build anything of value.

I do hope you were never in a managent position in life. You would have been the boss from hell. Infact, obviously you weren't ..... as you would have sacked everybody, and therefore had no one to manage!

If you think I'm being patronising - you're right. You've earnt it, old man.
 
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Illusion

Bench
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He won't see out his contract. All the talk in the offseason about having a better squad this year etc 2nd year in charge there is no more excuses we have gone backwards and next year will be the same or worse. Debelin was one of our strongest last night and we pissed him off.. insane.
To be honest , Flanno looks like a lost sole ............ This year with supposed better signings we are worst off than last year also , Kyle tries hard but no flare as a 7 .......... Just cant work out the Ilias thing , early on he was dropped because we lost by a point , but its ok for young Flanno to keep his position even after getting flogged by big points .......... Don't dislike the kid tries hard but just not a regular 7 .............
 

TheRev

Coach
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12,922
What I am finding frustrating this season is the belief that except for a few shockers this team is playing consistently better than previous years but is very likely to end up with a worse win/loss ratio. Three one point losses early in the season was always going to affect their final placement but the last 2 winnable games have been lost thru very poor handling. Easts were gifted 2 simple tries in the first 10 mins yesterday thru dropping the ball in their own 20. How important were those simple errors?
There have been some pluses like Toby C’s development, Stewart’s defence, Dylan E’s step into the NRL and the work of LKT who appeared to be the one spark in the backline yesterday.
I would be sticking with the coach for his contract period, but next year he must live or die according to team results. Finally I recognise the work Kyle does on the field but which other coach would stick by a half who has a 6 from 16 winning record while guiding his team around. See if Ilias has benefited from his time in the Cup.
100% Mate.. weve been a lot better than last year, hardly ever dropping right out of matches like we did in 2024... but lost the coin toss a few times early on those 1pt wins (plus tigers too) and then the 12month injuries to the 2 couchies and Egan in particular... just not something we have the luxury of covering.

Its also just a couple of players like Sloan & Lawrie that we keep needing to select due to other injuries, maybe Leilua to a lesser extent, but guys that can really cost you a game on their own through defensive effort or ill-discipline in Lawries case.

But a lot of other teams got better too.. end of the day it sux but its gonna be far less wins than 2024.. the positive is if we can fix those 2-3 problem positions.. and not have 3 ACL's.. maybe.. just maybe we are pushing the Top8 properly next year..
 

thebigredv

First Grade
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6,084
McGregor 46% win rate
Griffin 38%
Flanagan 39%

A lot of us willing to stick it out longer with Flanagan but we are two seasons in and it's looking fairly ominous.
Do these stats tell the story?

The offseason recruits of the star players will decided what those stats look like in a year's time. Doesn't feel like there's a gun half, rampaging prop about to sign on.
 

56to66

Juniors
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885
thebigredv
"McGregor 46% win rate

Griffin 38%

Flanagan 39%

A lot of us are willing to stick it out longer with Flanagan, but we are two seasons in, and it's looking fairly ominous.

Do these stats tell the story?

The offseason recruits of the star players will decide what those stats look like in a year's time. It doesn't feel like there's a gun half or rampaging prop about to sign on."


Like Griffin, Flanagan has until mid-year next year to have the Dragons in the top 5. Unfortunately, I feel this club is in the "too hard" basket. Mergers will never work out properly. The BOD is split. I personally dislike the merger now, but I will follow them as a 12-round hopeful.

The other problem with the sacking of all these coaches is that it leaves a trail of their own derailment and leftover bitterness, so the newly appointed coach needs to clean up the mess before results are seen. However, the Bulldogs managed to "jag" a good one by fixing the mess within a year. If Flanagan fails to have them firing in 2026, I would be searching for a Mr. Fix-it without any long-term commitments that won't leave on bitter terms. Also, father-and-son combos should not be considered, as it causes too much unnecessary noise. If Flanagan fails in 2026 Willie Peters to take over effective immediately
Coaching games WDLW%
2023–Hull Kingston Rovers 86 63 0 23 73% wins.
 
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mattw5

Juniors
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863
I will give you the tip, this forum, will go into absolutely meltdown if we have another 2024/2025.
If I was the CEO, 1 of my hands would be ready to give Willie Peters a call!
Hate to break it to you i actually spoke to Tim Watsford today at the members fan day he is backing Flanno but also said Dean Young is bound to be a coach we all know that so theres your next head coach.
 

Bayside Dragon

Juniors
Messages
93
thebigredv
"McGregor 46% win rate

Griffin 38%

Flanagan 39%

A lot of us are willing to stick it out longer with Flanagan, but we are two seasons in, and it's looking fairly ominous.

Do these stats tell the story?

The offseason recruits of the star players will decide what those stats look like in a year's time. It doesn't feel like there's a gun half or rampaging prop about to sign on."


Like Griffin, Flanagan has until mid-year next year to have the Dragons in the top 5. Unfortunately, I feel this club is in the "too hard" basket. Mergers will never work out properly. The BOD is split. I personally dislike the merger now, but I will follow them as a 12-round hopeful.

The other problem with the sacking of all these coaches is that it leaves a trail of their own derailment and leftover bitterness, so the newly appointed coach needs to clean up the mess before results are seen. However, the Bulldogs managed to "jag" a good one by fixing the mess within a year. If Flanagan fails to have them firing in 2026, I would be searching for a Mr. Fix-it without any long-term commitments that won't leave on bitter terms. Also, father-and-son combos should not be considered, as it causes too much unnecessary noise. If Flanagan fails in 2026 Willie Peters to take over effective immediately
Coaching games WDLW%
2023–Hull Kingston Rovers 86 63 0 23 73% wins.
 

Dragonslayer

First Grade
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7,904
Hate to break it to you i actually spoke to Tim Watsford today at the members fan day he is backing Flanno but also said Dean Young is bound to be a coach we all know that so theres your next head coach.

It's what I've heard also.

Young will become a head coach when the time is right, not necessarily at the Dragons though.
 

Bayside Dragon

Juniors
Messages
93
I think the difference here is that Flnno is invested in the development of our juniors. Unlike our previous head coaches. The combination of Flano and Watsford gives me more hope than I've ever had since 2010. You won't turn an aircraft carrier around in ten feet. We need to be patient, folks. Not good news for our 70+ aged supporters, but let's be realistic.

I can see Flano & Watsford being a match made in heaven. They have a common vision of sustainable greatness. But Rome wasn't built in a day. In the meantime. I'll settle for some great, entertaining footie. F*ck the table. I just want to be excited watching our boys do their thing.
 
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mattw5

Juniors
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863
I think the difference here is that Flnno is invested in the development of our juniors. Unlike our previous head coaches. The combination of Flano and Watsford gives me more hope than I've ever had since 2010. You won't turn an aircraft carrier around in ten feet. We need to be patient, folks. Not good news for our 70+ aged supporters, but let's be realistic.

I can see Flano & Watsford being a match made in heaven. They have a common vision of sustainable greatness. But Rome wasn't built in a day. In the meantime. I'll settle for some great, entertaining footie. F*ck the table. I just want to be excited watching our boys do their thing.
Watsford said he has really enjoyed working with Flanno & he knows his shit.
 

Bayside Dragon

Juniors
Messages
93
Watsford said he has really enjoyed working with Flanno & he knows his shit.
So gratifying to hear that, MatteS. Something I assumed would be the case.Seem the perfect foil to each other. From day one, always thought Flano was more interested in building a dynasty and a legacy. Dreaming much more than simply premierships. Think Manchester United rather than A League.
 

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