Sack mcgregor

[Bests Golden Boots]

This Thread should be parked until finals football..................

But where would I rant if we are 10 down with 7 to go then?

 

[getsmarty]

But where would I rant if we are 10 down with 7 to go then?

Good Point...Carry on Gents....

 

[True_Believer]

So I'm guessing that without a response to my Plan B question, that means nobody knows how to come up with a Plan B?

 

[2010]

Plan B is easy to figure out.
It's plan A divided by the number of games last season then adding the number of trys scored off a bomb multiply by the number of players who got a ride on the jet ski.
Taking all that into consideration Plan B is the same as plan A

 

[BennyV]

So I'm guessing that without a response to my Plan B question, that means nobody knows how to come up with a Plan B?

There are many Plan Bs. For example, when teams are rushing us in the middle to nullify our forward pack (as per Penrith) then use a few quick passes and utilise our world class edge backrowers running angles in behind the charging middle and generate some quick play the balls. When teams are rushing our backline sweeps (as per Warriors) then get in behind the ruck and/or put them on notice with early kicks for second rowers. When teams are exploiting our compressed goal line defence on the right, change up the defensive pattern and get some faster feet out there.

A lot of this comes down to words from the coach. Yes, players should be able to notice it too but from the middle of a game, very few players can see that things are failing but not why they are failing until its too late. From the coaches box, he needs to stop game watching and recognise issues and get the instructions out to the game managers. He also needs to implement strategies at training to make it easier to adjust game plans and defensive structures to suit the game. That's where he struggles. But thats what a Plan B refers to.

 

[True_Believer]

There are many Plan Bs. For example, when teams are rushing us in the middle to nullify our forward pack (as per Penrith) then use a few quick passes and utilise our world class edge backrowers running angles in behind the charging middle and generate some quick play the balls. When teams are rushing our backline sweeps (as per Warriors) then get in behind the ruck and/or put them on notice with early kicks for second rowers. When teams are exploiting our compressed goal line defence on the right, change up the defensive pattern and get some faster feet out there.

A lot of this comes down to words from the coach. Yes, players should be able to notice it too but from the middle of a game, very few players can see that things are failing but not why they are failing until its too late. From the coaches box, he needs to stop game watching and recognise issues and get the instructions out to the game managers. He also needs to implement strategies at training to make it easier to adjust game plans and defensive structures to suit the game. That's where he struggles. But thats what a Plan B refers to.

So it's purely on the fly? The reason I ask is because I couldn't picture being able to go to a game with a Plan B ready to go. I couldn't see how you could anticipate what the opposition would do in the game to nullify your game and plan around it. Especially if you are building a plan A around attacking their defensive deficiencies and a way to nullify their attack. They will analyse your game and come up with a strategy - but who knows what that strategy is? There are so many variations you'd never have enough plans to cover every one. If you knew that you'd only ever have a plan A.

I think it's equally the role of the halves and the coach to adapt on the field. I haven't noticed either adapt adequately.

 

[BennyV]

So it's purely on the fly? The reason I ask is because I couldn't picture being able to go to a game with a Plan B ready to go. I couldn't see how you could anticipate what the opposition would do in the game to nullify your game and plan around it. Especially if you are building a plan A around attacking their defensive deficiencies and a way to nullify their attack. They will analyse your game and come up with a strategy - but who knows what that strategy is? There are so many variations you'd never have enough plans to cover every one. If you knew that you'd only ever have a plan A.

I think it's equally the role of the halves and the coach to adapt on the field. I haven't noticed either adapt adequately.

Hunt and Widdop have adapted in cases, but theirs is play by play, not an overall strategy.

And no, there's not so many variations that you'd never have enough plans. These guys train for footy as their full time job - utilising decent training strategies to make sure they can shift their style a bit to account for what the opposition is throwing at them in attack and defence is not above them. Coaches have been doing it for years.

 

[MilanDragon]

It’s Tuesday - we should sack Mcgregor.

 

[OzDragon]

I wonder would the team would be like if we had sacked Mary last year. We surely couldn't be better off.

 

[True_Believer]

Hunt and Widdop have adapted in cases, but theirs is play by play, not an overall strategy.

And no, there's not so many variations that you'd never have enough plans. These guys train for footy as their full time job - utilising decent training strategies to make sure they can shift their style a bit to account for what the opposition is throwing at them in attack and defence is not above them. Coaches have been doing it for years.

Yeah good point. I guess it comes down to being able to identify it on the day.

 

[JDHD]

Yeah good point. I guess it comes down to being able to identify it on the day.

When coaches talk about ‘Plan B’, 99 times out of a hundred they mean “kick to the corners and defend like animals”.

 

[Life's Good]

I wonder would the team would be like if we had sacked Mary last year. We surely couldn't be better off.

I'd suggest this thread would still be active 'should have sacked him sooner, why did they extend him in, who decided to sign him to begin with, blah, blah, blah...............'




NB. I have said all these things myself!

 

[Life's Good]

So I'm guessing that without a response to my Plan B question, that means nobody knows how to come up with a Plan B?

Like others have said(me too in other threads)plan B is about adapting to the situation. A clear example of this was when we played the Warriors game and Hunt repeatedly kicked to Fusitua in attack. He easily diffused the bombs rendering our attack pretty impotent. Hunt then decided to take the line on and scored. Now that might have been pre planned or opportunistic but that, to me, was adapting/changing to the way the game was playing out. Just one small example but it makes me question why coaches, high up in the stands, dont pick this sort of thing up and send out messages about trying something if the original plan isn't working. I guess the other way of looking at it is that teams are so structured that the 'football' has been coached out of them. It's why I really enjoy watching players like Cody Walker and Ponga.

 

[Gareth67]

But where would I rant if we are 10 down with 7 to go then?

You holla for a Duffy !

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

So I'm guessing that without a response to my Plan B question, that means nobody knows how to come up with a Plan B?

News to me ................. never heard of it before.
How do you spell it again?

B plan you say?
What's that?
Don't even know what a plan is, let alone a B plan.
Should make for interesting reading.
I'm sure my boss would express a puzzled look if told about it.

Yours faithfully,
Professor Lo Hun Phat
Assistant to the Assistant, assisting the Coach's Assistant, who assisting Coach McGregor.

 

[jak]

News to me ................. never heard of it before.
How do you spell it again?

B plan you say?
What's that?
Don't even know what a plan is, let alone a B plan.
Should make for interesting reading.
I'm sure my boss would express a puzzled look if told about it.

Yours faithfully,
Professor Lo Hun Phat
Assistant to the Assistant, assisting the Coach's Assistant, who assisting Coach McGregor.

reading between the lines here,I take it your off your meds again okb, as another old fart should I start worrying about you or is it to late.? ps please read an interesting read I just know you will love it.

 

[True_Believer]

Like others have said(me too in other threads)plan B is about adapting to the situation. A clear example of this was when we played the Warriors game and Hunt repeatedly kicked to Fusitua in attack. He easily diffused the bombs rendering our attack pretty impotent. Hunt then decided to take the line on and scored. Now that might have been pre planned or opportunistic but that, to me, was adapting/changing to the way the game was playing out. Just one small example but it makes me question why coaches, high up in the stands, dont pick this sort of thing up and send out messages about trying something if the original plan isn't working. I guess the other way of looking at it is that teams are so structured that the 'football' has been coached out of them. It's why I really enjoy watching players like Cody Walker and Ponga.

Actually good point about the structured teams. I'd say we fall into that category. We do have some attacking flair when choose to play off the cuff - but generally we seem to go through the motions. But having said that, most teams seem to do that.

 

[Old Timer]

Actually good point about the structured teams. I'd say we fall into that category. We do have some attacking flair when choose to play off the cuff - but generally we seem to go through the motions. But having said that, most teams seem to do that.

Some teams are highly structured but they are also able to apply a tourniquet on the opposition even whilst they are being attacked and they keep tightening until they strangle them and then create broken play and then whooshka they are off and gone.
Storm are incredible at it and they never panic whilst doing it and that is how they create so many run away tries.
Sharks and Rabbits are also capable of it at different times because they just seem to give you so little and then have speedsters that streak away in the blink of an eye.
I think if we can get a little better at keeping that pressure on Dufty is going to have a field day (sorry Jai) and Mann as well as they are light steppers and very fast in amongst a lot of traffic..

 

[ozbuck]

Sack McGregor thread has 1.6million views... and he has us placed outright 1st.

Doesn't get much better than that.

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

reading between the lines here,I take it your off your meds again okb, as another old fart should I start worrying about you or is it to late.? ps please read an interesting read I just know you will love it.

Nah ............ all is good, jak.
Just bored mid week, thats all.
Thought l'd flap the gums a bit.