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[True_Believer]

"Moved on from the Cowboys" is not accurate.
He was the assistant coach to Green the year they won the comp.
He moved of his own volition because he was looking for a FG opportunity.
"Moved on from St. George" is also not accurate.
He came to St. George and far exceeded all expectations only to be preferred to McGregor in what will go down as one of the most misguided factional abominations this club has ever perpetrated.
Once it became evident that he was not going to get the FG gig at St. George, he again left of his own volition.
He was also offered assistant's job at the Bronco's under Bennett.
I don't see how you can misconstrue those set of circumstances as being "moved on".
As for Titans and Broncos. Lots of competition for those jobs.
He must have been close with the Broncos.
Demetriou is a real St. George boy (as opposed to Illawarra). Grew up in the St, George district, played in our lower grades before branching off to a coaching career.
He would have made a massive difference to our fortunes over the last 5 years.
A genuine career coach with lots of runs on the board.
I think he has just been unlucky.

I haven't misconstrued anything - you've misunderstood what I've written.

I am not making assumptions on the situations so therefore have said "moved on or has been moved on". One denotes his own decision, and the other denotes he was pushed out. I'm not making assumptions based on half baked bullshit stories and trying to build up some scenario around his departures - either way, he now isn't at either club.

What makes you say he must have been close at the Broncos? There's nothing to indicate that at all. Right from the get go it was clear they were after Siebold - I get the feeling the others were there just to make up the numbers.

Lots of competition for those jobs? If he's as good as everyone makes out, why didn't he get either of them then? Oh that's right, he's just unlucky. He deserved them, it just wasn't his time. His credentials far outweighs Seibolds as a coach and, at the very least, is on par with Brennan. So why did both of those get chosen before him? I suggest he either doesn't interview well or there is some other element we aren't aware of.

And why should we, as a club who has historically put on rookie coaches and failed, take a punt on yet another rookie? And if he is a St George boy, can't that also be construed as 'jobs for the boys'?

I'm not denying he may have a future as a first grade coach, but I'd rather he does it somewhere else and comes back after a bit of experience.

 

[True_Believer]

Long bow drawn there.

Anthony Seibold was also an assistant at 3 NRL clubs before landing his first head coach gig. Sometimes you gotta get lucky. Like Demetriou, he also coached some obsucre clubs in he lower divisions of UK rugby league (Seibold - South Wales, Demetiou - Keighley).

As I said in the previous post, Demetriou's results far outshine anything Seibold has achieved - and yet Seibold is the preferred option?

 

[True_Believer]

I think you are reading too much into it more than no NRL club anymore want to take a chance with a rookie because with the media scrutiny and rehashing and musical chairs of a handful of coaches and the player merry-go-round circus it is too big a risk...the pressure of just making the 8 now is enormous.
Titans are regretting it as were trying to get Wayne, Pay is lucky with a bit more time but they may regret that...Roosters & Souths just got lucky with Robbo / Siebs, Barrett..we all know how that panned out
other than that thats why just handful of the same coaches get talked about and swapped around and even some of those dont have great records recently (Ivan, McGuire & Dessie), they are perceived to be great coaches by the media based on history more than most recently alone.
We have terrible depth of coaching talent at 1st garde level because of pressure no one will get a go and it will get worse. Outside Toovey who now would you want to replace Mary with who is available?..and JD is a rookie may tike time to get a look in.

If you are right, and I am reading too much into it, why should we be the ones to take the punt on yet another rookie?

 

[BLM01]

If you are right, and I am reading too much into it, why should we be the ones to take the punt on yet another rookie?

We are'nt are we. And I am not calling for his appointment.
Some are saying it on here and are desperate to do so. But I am in your corner only in the fact that because he won a reserve grade comp and players enjoyed playing for him apparently it will not make him an automatic good 1st grade coach..and that is how most clubs would view it...a risk at this stage
David Fairleigh was another, touted as the next big thing working as an assitant for years, never got there.

I believe NRL clubs will look over to ESL 1st now for an established top grade coach before here if no one experienced available...that means Steve Price may make a come back
I would give Toovey a go!

 

[Old Timer]

As I said in the previous post, Demetriou's results far outshine anything Seibold has achieved - and yet Seibold is the preferred option?

Seibold got a rookie year and did extremely well
JD is yet to get a rookie year so is in essence is less experienced
Not sure how JD goes articulating things but Seibold is top shelf and god only knows those inbreads up north need someone who can speak properly instead of all that colloquial shit they go on with.
Re taking JD instead of our illiterate knob jockey, well surely in light of the fact all the good / proven coaches are gone and knowing our bloke is incapable of winning a premiership a 2 year appointment for JD would be a far better option than a possible 3 year extension for you know who?

 

[True_Believer]

We are'nt are we. And I am not calling for his appointment.
Some are saying it on here and are desperate to do so. But I am in your corner only in the fact that because he won a reserve grade comp and players enjoyed playing for him apparently it will not make him an automatic good 1st grade coach..and that is how most clubs would view it...a risk at this stage
David Fairleigh was another, touted as the next big thing working as an assitant for years, never got there.

I believe NRL clubs will look over to ESL 1st now for an established top grade coach before here if no one experienced available...that means Steve Price may make a come back
I would give Toovey a go!

Yeah sorry BLM - I wasn't suggesting you were calling for it. I am just mystified by the urgency to put him into the role. I am the first to acknowledge that we need a new coach, but replacing him with another untested coach, at least to me, seems like madness. There's always going to be an element of risk when appointing a coach, but the aim is to reduce that risk as much as possible. And putting in another rookie would give me the impression that we really haven't tried to get the right solution.

I might have to re-read some of my comments before I post - I seem to be getting the wrong message across.

 

[True_Believer]

Seibold got a rookie year and did extremely well
JD is yet to get a rookie year so is in essence is less experienced
Not sure how JD goes articulating things but Seibold is top shelf and god only knows those inbreads up north need someone who can speak properly instead of all that colloquial shit they go on with.
Re taking JD instead of our illiterate knob jockey, well surely in light of the fact all the good / proven coaches are gone and knowing our bloke is incapable of winning a premiership a 2 year appointment for JD would be a far better option than a possible 3 year extension for you know who?

The 'anything is better than Mary' approach to me is wrong. The 'absolute best alternative' is my preferred way to tackle the issue. I just don't think JD is the best alternative and I think we'd a. Be taking another huge risk and b. Settling for second best.

I guess it really depends on what each individual perceives as a 'good' coach. And to add to that, Cleary and the Panthers just proved that a coaches contract is about as relevant as a players these days.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

I haven't misconstrued anything - you've misunderstood what I've written.

I am not making assumptions on the situations so therefore have said "moved on or has been moved on". One denotes his own decision, and the other denotes he was pushed out. I'm not making assumptions based on half baked bullshit stories and trying to build up some scenario around his departures - either way, he now isn't at either club.

What makes you say he must have been close at the Broncos? There's nothing to indicate that at all. Right from the get go it was clear they were after Siebold - I get the feeling the others were there just to make up the numbers.

Lots of competition for those jobs? If he's as good as everyone makes out, why didn't he get either of them then? Oh that's right, he's just unlucky. He deserved them, it just wasn't his time. His credentials far outweighs Seibolds as a coach and, at the very least, is on par with Brennan. So why did both of those get chosen before him? I suggest he either doesn't interview well or there is some other element we aren't aware of.

And why should we, as a club who has historically put on rookie coaches and failed, take a punt on yet another rookie? And if he is a St George boy, can't that also be construed as 'jobs for the boys'?

I'm not denying he may have a future as a first grade coach, but I'd rather he does it somewhere else and comes back after a bit of experience.

Thank you for pointing that out.
Yes I didn't pay attention to your total meaning - apologies.
Just seems to be one of the travesties in the coaching world.
Being a St.George boy in my context means he was a real St. George boy not part of the JV which did not help his cause in terms of getting the job.
In my opinion, Demetriou is one of the best coaches in the business and does not have a lot to prove unless he actually jags a FG gig.
Maybe he's just been pigeon holed as an assistant coach by club management but it's a "chicken or the egg" scenario in terms whether he would cut it as a FG coach.
As for punting on rookie coaches, I agree with you.
In the context of Price's appointment and then McGregor's appointment, investing/gambling on yet another rookie coach would be not make sense for us now.
Demetriou's appointment at the time McGregor was preferred was the right time to punt on a rookie with his pedigree and results.
History will show that management decided to go in a different direction.

 

[Old Timer]

The 'anything is better than Mary' approach to me is wrong. The 'absolute best alternative' is my preferred way to tackle the issue. I just don't think JD is the best alternative and I think we'd a. Be taking another huge risk and b. Settling for second best.

I guess it really depends on what each individual perceives as a 'good' coach. And to add to that, Cleary and the Panthers just proved that a coaches contract is about as relevant as a players these days.

So if we extend Mc Fookknuckle for 3 years is that a better outcome than trying someone else for 2 years?
If the belief is that Mc Fookknuckle can't win a premiership then why have him at the helm where he is doing untold damage to our roster especially the younger players that have come through our juniors?

 

[True_Believer]

So if we extend Mc Fookknuckle for 3 years is that a better outcome than trying someone else for 2 years?
If the belief is that Mc Fookknuckle can't win a premiership then why have him at the helm where he is doing untold damage to our roster especially the younger players that have come through our juniors?

I never suggested extending Mary at all. Neither should be an option. We've got 1 more year with Mary and that is a given no matter what. Let's take that time to secure the best possible outcome for 2020 onwards. I think we can do better than Mary and JD.

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

We are'nt are we. And I am not calling for his appointment.
Some are saying it on here and are desperate to do so. But I am in your corner only in the fact that because he won a reserve grade comp and players enjoyed playing for him apparently it will not make him an automatic good 1st grade coach..and that is how most clubs would view it...a risk at this stage
David Fairleigh was another, touted as the next big thing working as an assitant for years, never got there.

I believe NRL clubs will look over to ESL 1st now for an established top grade coach before here if no one experienced available...that means Steve Price may make a come back
I would give Toovey a go!

With all due respect, the mention of Steve Price and the words, 'established top grade coach' is a contradiction.

Toovey, yes...... he has the passion and the nous to suceed.

 

[BLM01]

With all due respect, the mention of Steve Price and the words, 'established top grade coach' is a contradiction.

Toovey, yes...... he has the passion and the nous to suceed.

I love just wetting everyone's lips with those 2 words. "Steve Price" the ex Dragon player and coach, haunt us forever more.
But ESL and Huddersfield might reckon he is OK. As I said before thats the Super League

 

[BLM01]

Yeah sorry BLM - I wasn't suggesting you were calling for it. I am just mystified by the urgency to put him into the role. I am the first to acknowledge that we need a new coach, but replacing him with another untested coach, at least to me, seems like madness. There's always going to be an element of risk when appointing a coach, but the aim is to reduce that risk as much as possible. And putting in another rookie would give me the impression that we really haven't tried to get the right solution.

I might have to re-read some of my comments before I post - I seem to be getting the wrong message across.

All sweet...and I agree with you. JD might be good, but that would be 3 risks of rookies in a row and so far has not turned out how we want it, actually in fact if it was not for Bennett, would The Dragons not have had rookie 1st grade coaches in place since Waite..I think so. There in lies our problem

 

[Warabrook saint]

You forget to mention it was a 12 team comp with a Top 8 semi final series. What a joke ISP is..should be 16 teams for each NRL side, same with jersy Flegg or the Old Under 20's..gof the NRL and NSWRL have ...f#&%%**..this up

Yes true about the 12 team comp but he won the state challenge as well....and didn't he win the qld state cup and the state challenge a couple of years prior

 

[Coffs dragon]

All sweet...and I agree with you. JD might be good, but that would be 3 risks of rookies in a row and so far has not turned out how we want it, actually in fact if it was not for Bennett, would The Dragons not have had rookie 1st grade coaches in place since Waite..I think so. There in lies our problem

There's nothing wrong with a rookie coach provided the club picks the right person whom has served a decent apprenticeship and has experience. The Dragons major problem is they only promote from within the boys club when it comes to NRL coaching opportunities and they all lack broad experience and are just in a pecking order system.
Plenty of decent rookie coaches like, Seibold, Robinson, Bellamy, Green have been given opportunities at other clubs with no allegiances or ties and they have proved very successful.
The right person is not always in the same building, sometimes you just need the best from a wider field to choose. Our mob unfortunately are still locked in the past.

 

[BLM01]

Yes true about the 12 team comp but he won the state challenge as well....and didn't he win the qld state cup and the state challenge a couple of years prior

Sorry WB Saint but my comment was in relation to how you said McGregor missed the 8 at ISP level, I am just painting it in the real picture it was..not JD. But JD won ISP and the state challenge in 2016

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Yes true about the 12 team comp but he won the state challenge as well....and didn't he win the qld state cup and the state challenge a couple of years prior

the previous year - back to back

 

[Ted bartolo]

Nothing to be down in the mouth about Mary's performance..At least Gordon is acknowledging people think there is a problem.sack Mac Gregor

 

[The calm one]

I never suggested extending Mary at all. Neither should be an option. We've got 1 more year with Mary and that is a given no matter what. Let's take that time to secure the best possible outcome for 2020 onwards. I think we can do better than Mary and JD.

May as well extend his contract.He is not going anywhere and no one is coming here. Stay calm.

 

[rednwhites]

Can I just remind everyone not to waste another cent on this club until this coach is gone.

Each dollar is a dollar of support for Mary regardless.

4 years now. We shouldn't have to cop this again.