Sack mcgregor

[The Silverdale Phantom]

...!

 

[Banjo2014]

When I was in the cops if you did something wrong you were suspended - depending on your past and the incident you were given your basic salary or a percentage.

In my private industry career you were placed on furlough - no pay until the matter was resolved.

JDB has a problem - the lawyers want this to go on for as long as it takes so (I may be wrong) there may be more adjournments.

He is just lucky that he was not back in the States - there is an attorney there from #Me Too called Lisa Bloom - google her and see who she has represented (had a bit to do with her whilst there) - JDB would be on the news and in the papers every week - the victim would be paraded to the public weekly - but there would be no criminal charges.

This would of been sorted civilly with an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) and a hefty and I mean large settlement.

Matter would not of see the light of day in the Courts.

Wish we were back home so we could put in a Civil Suit on McGregor...........

SACK MCGREGOR

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Jack has the opportunity to enter into the hallowed sgi folklore and make the supreme sacrifice.

The club won’t do it, so it’s on him.

Regardless of the court outcome, this is his moment, something he can do here and now.

He’s still young, probably quite wealthy with a whole life in front of him.

He can make either an indelable mark in sgi history or be yet another snout in Mary and the bod trough?

Perhaps Murphy can talk him into it?

If he gets found guilty, falling on your sword for others would be good submission to make in sentencing as I understand it. There’s no sure outcome. He has to be cautious about everything.

 

[BLM01]

Barring a miracle or sensational new evidence.

Miracle or sensational new evidence?...Hmmm..another presumption ..we will see
Meanwhile back on track...
Listening to the interview of Dean Young & Flanno recently it sounds like Young has found his mentor like it is an eye opener and the key...about telling it like it is...stop the sugercoating of players
Dean Young basically said I have been 6 yrs and as an assistant and.....(bugger me...I have learned nothing till Flanno arrived) my words and perception to finish off there
Mary is on his last legs without doubt

 

[getsmarty]

Miracle or sensational new evidence?...Hmmm..another presumption ..we will see
Meanwhile back on track...
Listening to the interview of Dean Young & Flanno recently it sounds like Young has found his mentor like it is an eye opener and the key...about telling it like it is...stop the sugercoating of players
Dean Young basically said I have been 6 yrs ans an assistant and bugger me...I have learned nothing till Flanno arrived
Mary is on his last legs without doubt

Could you please supply a Link to interview if possible, Thank you

 

[BLM01]

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Mr Beatty introduced one of the worst policies in NRL history for what many people argue was for publicity purposes.

No fault stand-down harms players, clubs, friends, family and players.

There is not a skerrick of evidence that the highly valued sponsors, supporters and the general public have changed their attitude to the game since the introduction of the policy.

In fact, the game is still losing sponsors for poor player behaviour unrelated to the policy (bulldogs) while players, clubs, fans and other stakeholders suffer in silence.

A large number of coaches towed the party line without giving much thought to the obvious repercussions and a denial of the “ fair go” Australians feel very strongly about.


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Mary and JDB in a focused discussion about the latter’s boot.

Why Jack should quit voluntarily:-

I’ve been a prominent supporter of JDB and defending his legal rights.

Be that as it may, he’s been paid $545k a season last year for not playing. Add another chunk of this say even about half for 2020 and that takes him to say $750k.

And if he’s found innocent, the season will be almost over. Let’s say he plays 5 games and we have the figure of $150k a game.

He’s basically at the club to play in games, not to train or be swept away by corporate counselling and meditation.

So you have him at $150k a game.

That’s “off the chart massive” expenditure, the most expensive player in nrl history by far (times about 6) to his nearest rival.

As his contract is coming to an end, there’s no guarantee that he will stay. There’s pros and cons in that scenario.

He shouldn’t quit because he’s done anything wrong ( no one knows) but he might think that it’s in the best interests of the club to release the cash and provide opportunity for others. To give something back to the club and everyone who stood and stands by him ( even me).

And that kind of sacrifice would be welcome in so many ways to so many people. It would be pretty inspirational. He could come to training and still be part of the club unofficially and be well thought of.

I can see where the club wants to remain loyal to him, I get that, but it the price is too high and you guys are more important than Jacks feelings.

The other argument is that if things work out for him, I can’t imagine the pressure on him. He’s going to have to play like Gasnier, Raper and Langers rolled into one. Its not fair to him in some ways. Kind of a cruel to be kind moment.

I will defend his legal rights now to the last breath, but I will also accept the decision ( and any appeal). It will be what it will be.

I get what you are trying to say but you are wrong with he is costing us $150K a game. He has earned his money rightfully and legally over the past 1.5 years.
No different if he was injured.
Why stand down and be a sacraficial lamb ...you are on a contract and guaranteed a salary until your case is resolved or your contract is up on 31 Oct 2020
I think you guys are looking into too much the price that he is or has costing the club physically and emotionally and just being himself and playing near like he left will be good enough for me if he is permitted back in the game by the justice system.
I still dont buiy the JDB problem affected players...performance on the training paddock and on field I mean...convenient excuse to cover the cracks.
Behind the scenes and socially with some players and the females etc attached to the cluib may be a different story I would accept...but thats it.

 

[TruSaint]

Miracle or sensational new evidence?...Hmmm..another presumption ..we will see
Meanwhile back on track...
Listening to the interview of Dean Young & Flanno recently it sounds like Young has found his mentor like it is an eye opener and the key...about telling it like it is...stop the sugercoating of players
Dean Young basically said I have been 6 yrs ans an assistant and bugger me...I have learned nothing till Flanno arrived
Mary is on his last legs without doubt

Link to Deano saying that please mate.
Can't find such comments anywhere.

 

[BLM01]

Link to Deano saying that please mate.
Can't find such comments anywhere.

Listen to the Gypsy & Jerry Interview on the Dragons website about 1 week ago.
A bit of light hearted fun and funny in parts...but some serious questions and facts about what Flanno has bought to the club.and Deano learning..as another assistant...with coaching experience.

 

[BLM01]

Could you please supply a Link to interview if possible, Thank you

Dragons website..and for you @TruSaint
https://www.dragons.com.au/news/202...the-couch-with-shane-flanagan-and-dean-young/

 

[BLM01]

Jack has the opportunity to enter into the hallowed sgi folklore and make the supreme sacrifice.

The club won’t do it, so it’s on him.

Regardless of the court outcome, this is his moment, something he can do here and now.

He’s still young, probably quite wealthy with a whole life in front of him.

He can make either an indelable mark in sgi history or be yet another snout in Mary and the bod trough?

Perhaps Murphy can talk him into it?

If he gets found guilty, falling on your sword for others would be good submission to make in sentencing as I understand it. There’s no sure outcome. He has to be cautious about everything.

But why would he if he believes he is innocent?

 

[TruSaint]

Dragons website..and for you @TruSaint
https://www.dragons.com.au/news/202...the-couch-with-shane-flanagan-and-dean-young/

Thanking you.
Will check it out. Should be fun i guess.

 

[BLM01]

Thanking you.
Will check it out. Should be fun i guess.

It is Tru..not bad for a Dragons website anyway. About time

 

[ChocOConnor]

I don’t want to dwell on the JDB matter as there is much pain being shared by the victim and her family Jack and his family.

But just a quick question does anyone know if JDB is found not guilty does he have rights to pursue the NRL for any loss of any sort. A friend of mine suggested he would hate to be at the NRL if JDB is found not guilty as he seems to think there will be some serious ramifications. The reason I used the term not guilty as I am sure there is pain on both sides. As much as I would love Jack to say he won I won’t out of respect to others who may take offence

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

But why would he if he believes he is innocent?

Because somewhere in his heart he knows he’s being paid too much for a handful of games ( that may never happen) and the club is hurting financially over it and others are needlessly suffering.

Even if he thinks ( or actually knows for sure) that’s he’s innocent, all of the circumstances combine to make his current position untenable as he’s just not practically able to offer much.

These are not in his control, but what he’s doing is conflating his legal situation with his own personal need to be in the squad.

They are two quite distinct things. I’m sorry he doesn’t see it. I don’t know who is advising him.

The regrettable spin off from that is that his current legal disposition is being used as an excuse.

It is a part- excuse, but not to the extent made out and his continued inclusion in the squad on the never and in a relatively minor way is a logical nonsense.

The club are happy to be known as people who stand by their players, and full credit to bj for supporting him at court, but the price is too high and you guys suffer.

He’s 50/50 at court and then he has to play all of the next run of games at Tyson level (without playing for almost two years beforehand at nrl level), not get injured etc and hope that unless Mary is sacked, the team makes the eight.

No player has ever played with this pressure scenario. The big bloke kid, he’s really struggling now ( which is not good).

That’s a big run home, but the opportunity cost of this “fair go” is too high.

He should see the light, smell the coffee and exit. I mean the club have the excuse dog in the fight, but he could really contribute for the good right now.

Just put his demons to one side and quit. Think of the big picture.

Just my opinion right or wrong.

 

[BLM01]

Because somewhere in his heart he knows he’s being paid too much for a handful of games ( that may never happen) and the club is hurting financially over it and others are needlessly suffering.

Even if he thinks ( or actually knows for sure) that’s he’s innocent, all of the circumstances combine to make his current position untenable as he’s just not practically able to offer much.

These are not in his control, but what he’s doing is conflating his legal situation with his own personal need to be in the squad.

They are two quite distinct things. I’m sorry he doesn’t see it. I don’t know who is advising him.

The regrettable spin off from that is that his current legal disposition is being used as an excuse.

It is a part- excuse, but not to the extent made out and his continued inclusion in the squad on the never and in a relatively minor way is a logical nonsense.

The club are happy to be known as people who stand by their players, and full credit to bj for supporting him at court, but the price is too high and you guys suffer.

He’s 50/50 at court and then he has to play all of the next run of games at Tyson level (without playing for almost two years beforehand at nrl level), not get injured etc and hope that unless Mary is sacked, the team makes the eight.

No player has ever played with this pressure scenario. The big bloke kid, he’s really struggling now ( which is not good).

That’s a big run home, but the opportunity cost of this “fair go” is too high.

He should see the light, smell the coffee and exit. I mean the club have the excuse dog in the fight, but he could really contribute for the good right now.

Just put his demons to one side and quit. Think of the big picture.

Just my opinion right or wrong.

I disagree vehemntly..Somewhere in his heart he knows he is is getting paid too much....cmon.
Wrong Wrong Wrong.
The club is not hurting financially...they budgeted for his salary and at this stage he still deserves it.
As you said... what sponsors have left the Dragons because of JDB and the clubs stance.
At this stage until his case runs it course he does not have to or the club has to do anything..IMO...except both honour the contract.
You are telling him to do what Beattie has done..walk away in shame even though we dont know the outcome.
If he is eventually found guilty...then we can all throw the book...until then..BAU

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I disagree vehemntly..Somewhere in his heart he knows he is is getting paid too much....cmon.
Wrong Wrong Wrong.
The club is not hurting financially...they budgeted for his salary and at this stage he still deserves it.
As you said... what sponsors have left the Dragons because of JDB and the clubs stance.
At this stage until his case runs it course he does not have to or the club has to do anything..IMO...except both honour the contract.
You are telling him to do what Beattie has done..walk away in shame even though we dont know the outcome.
If he is eventually found guilty...then we can all throw the book...until then..BAU

Some fair points sure, but I come back respectfully:

1. They contracted for him to play footy, they planned for him to be in side. He was supposed to add value to the performance of the team. He hasn’t been able to do that. He thinks he’s entitled to the same money? I don’t understand that. No player is worth $75,000 a half or almost $2k a minute pro rata. Latrell probably thinks he does, but...

2. The news this week, you had to let two or three promising juniors go because of the financials. There’s a spot in the squad that can’t be filled. The club is playing a squad member down. With injuries etc, it’s an important spot.

3. We don’t know what the contract says. I would think he could be sacked, not for the allegation etc but because he can’t play. So too, they could sack him, but they havent.

4. I am not telling him to walk away in shame like Beattie. I am suggesting to him, he should quit as it is a noble thing to do. It has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence. It has to do with his situation under the evil no-fault stand down.

I’m proposing he take one for the team because he’s in a position to resolve it.

Mary and the board have a well intended but misplaced policy of keeping him when he is unable to deliver the service expected.

That hurts you guys the most and he should see that and respect you.

I haven’t said anything about his guilt. Just like you, I don’t know. I treat him as innocent now.

I disagree with you, but btw I’m not saying you are wrong.

I can only go on what I understand the facts to be and speculate. I dont have a complete understanding.

Probably the truth is in between us somewhere!

 

[getsmarty]

Dragons website..and for you @TruSaint
https://www.dragons.com.au/news/202...the-couch-with-shane-flanagan-and-dean-young/

Thank you

 

[LINESPEED]

Listen to the Gypsy & Jerry Interview on the Dragons website about 1 week ago.
A bit of light hearted fun and funny in parts...but some serious questions and facts about what Flanno has bought to the club.and Deano learning..as another assistant...with coaching experience.

Agree BLM01
Some good chemistry there for Albert to consider as he & Ryan on his
Day 34
might begin making immediate representations to Head Office to reduce Flanno’s ban so he can assume the coaching role next year.
The CEO’s brief surely??

Flanno is clearly evident as better option than
Mc113
in the education of his son

...and there was quite an inference there that Waterboy couldn’t transfer the whiteboard to the field

That’s called coaching

....& his total inability to rectify each individual’s weaknesses and develop their strengths has been clear for 7yrs Andrew?

And there was a VERY pointed reference about some players who thought that they were better than they were.

McAitken & Lafai sprang to mind, along with the very pedestrian favourite wingers Rav & Pereira.

That quartet has to go FFS

Enjoyed the interview - as it looked like the future

...without the stench of Waterboy & his patent stupidity

 

[BLM01]

Agree BLM01
Some good chemistry there for Albert to consider as he & Ryan on his
Day 34
might begin making immediate representations to Head Office to reduce Flanno’s ban so he can assume the coaching role next year.
The CEO’s brief surely??

Flanno is clearly evident as better option than
Mc113
in the education of his son

...and there was quite an inference there that Waterboy couldn’t transfer the whiteboard to the field

That’s called coaching

....& his total inability to rectify each individual’s weaknesses and develop their strengths has been clear for 7yrs Andrew?

And there was a VERY pointed reference about some players who thought that they were better than they were.

McAitken & Lafai sprang to mind, along with the very pedestrian favourite wingers Rav & Pereira.

That quartet has to go FFS

Enjoyed the interview - as it looked like the future

...without the stench of Waterboy & his patent stupidity

I give up.. Mc113?...what is 113 referring to?
I think you are bit harsh on Rav & Periera...they try as hard as anybody yes with mistakes but dont appear to carry themselves like that.
I think the possibly only other player that may have appeared to think that or may have been told to pull their head in this year could be Dufty & 1 other fringies that would of have been dropped to bench or reggies from a walk up start last year when we are at full strength

 

[LINESPEED]

I give up.. Mc113?...what is 113 referring to?
I think you are bit harsh on Rav & Periera...they try as hard as anybody yes with mistakes but dont appear to carry themselves like that.
I think the possibly only other player that may have appeared to think that or may have been told to pull their head in this year could be Dufty & 1 other fringies that would of have been dropped to bench or reggies from a walk up start last year when we are at full strength

There’ve been 113 years of Rugby League since 1907

- and of the longterm coaches who’ve done 139 games (ie Mary) or more (57 of them I think), McGregor’s best is 7th, Pearce’s 8th

... which makes, according to those stats, Waterboy the 2nd worst results coach in 113 years.

The Mc113 is there just to remind Andrew Gordon & now Ryan Webb & Board, in a very repetitive way, (& hoping to break through the insufferable admin stubbornness), that their now beyond foolish experiment with their beloved McFail, has brought the Club to its knees.