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Sack mcgregor

BLM01

First Grade
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I think we need to pin a clear, factual account of McGregor's coaching record on this site for lazy journalists and commentators. No comments. No opinions. Just the facts.
Not a couple of minutes from a grand final, but the brutal facts: one semi-final win in 6 seasons, now going on 7.
Only one good half season in all that time.
Longest losing streak.
That kind of stuff, nothing else.
If you want to stat to pin.
Just review his record of wins of Rounds 10 onwards till the end of each year including finals from 2015.
We will excuse 2014 as it was his 1st coming in half way through
I have done it before in this forum or thread and it is close to 35%..now?. His best was about 50% in 2018.
e.g. 2015 he won 6/16 = 37.5%..the rest is similar or worse except for 2018
 
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piesplusreturns

Juniors
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If you want to stat to pin.
Just review his record of wins of Rounds 10 onwards till the end of each year including finals from 2015.
We will excuse 2014 as it was his 1st coming in half way through
I have done it before and it is close to 35%. His best was about 50% in 2018.

Post-origin is the key. Blokes play for origin spots and then go on holidays. The inference is they have nothing else to play for.
 

denis preston

First Grade
Messages
8,754
How is Dean Young a long time coach in waiting. He has done a few meek assistant years under Mc0 and couple of share Junior and or lower grade coaching roles with Hornby.
he has been defensive and forward coach in recent years...how has that all been going.
Look at Fitzgibbon and others....up to 10 years or more in assistant roles to top line coaches,
How is he even close to being ready
Please...if their is any justice..not Dean Young.
That would be a slap in the face and do nothing to remedy the nepotism accusations. His assistant coaching record is as abysmal as Mary's coaching, obviously ! If he really disagreed with Marys coaching he should have done the honorable thing and resign but he didn't and kept collecting the salary, just like he has for the past 24 years.
 

TruSaint

Referee
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McGregors going to earn $62,500 in the next MONTH.

He’s not quitting.

Sack him as coach and make him paint Kogarah Oval for the money. It’s not right that he just gets to walk away with a cheque once this is done. Make him earn it.

There’s no way there would be a clause in his contract stopping the club from doing this to him. No one involved in this mess is that smart.

Its tough to survive on $62,500 with a family.
Oh wait..... thats monthly
 

Life's Good

Coach
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13,971
I like all the threads dedicated to turfing SuperCoach but feel he doesn’t deserve this much attention. Quite the conundrum.


Irrespective-Sack Mary.
 

gitano

Juniors
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2,364
Matt Elliott basically put in a pitch for the job Sunday arvo on Grandstand. I'd take him. Mind you, I'd take tetanus over McGregor.
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George Dragon

Juniors
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NRL open to Shane Flanagan taking over as head coach if Paul McGregor is sacked by Dragons
The NRL has opened the door for Shane Flanagan to return in a head coach role as soon as this season, putting further pressure on St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor’s job.
As it stands Flanagan, who is a Dragons assistant coach, isn’t eligible for a head coach role until the end of next season.
But rather than put a line through a return before then, The Daily Telegraph can reveal the NRL would consider the merit of an application made by the Dragons, or any other club, to appoint Flanagan as a head coach.
Calls for McGregor to be replaced intensified over the weekend after his side slumped to their third straight loss to start the season, going down 18-nil to an injury-depleted New Zealand Warriors
In April last year, McGregor was re-signed until the end of 2021 but could end up surviving for the entire duration of the deal despite finishing 15th last year and only managing four wins from the last 21 games.
It’s believed the club would have folk out between $1.5 and $1.8 million if the board were to terminate McGregor’s contract.
On top of the pay out, the club would also need to find the extra funds to pay a new coach which could cost up to $800,000 a season.
But the board could potentially be swayed to make a call on McGregor’s future if it was in a position to make a cheaper internal hire in his place.
The Dragons’ next board meeting is scheduled for June 16, with a match against the struggling Gold Coast to follow.
Initially, Flanagan was deregistered indefinitely in December 2018 for violating the rules of his 2014 ban for his role in Cronulla’s supplement scandal.
But the NRL eased the sanction and registered the 2016 premiership-winning coach so he can take up an assistant role at the Dragons late last year.
In November, the Dragons announced a raft of changes to the football department after the club’s annual review.
In total eight changes were made including the appointment of Flanagan as an assistant coach, mainly dealing with defence.
The club also appointed leadership and mind consultants after the review found the Dragons needed a greater focus on culture and leadership.
But the changes haven’t delivered results on the field.
McGregor told his side in no uncertain terms in the lead-up to round three that underperforming players would be dropped from the top 17.
Saturday’s lacklustre performance has raised questions about the side’s pricey halves combination of Ben Hunt and Corey Norman and left McGregor no choice but to make good on his threat to dump players from the starting side.
Queensland coach Kevin Walters urged Hunt and Norman to find their running game.
Hunt had just two runs from 65 possessions against the Warriors, while Norman took the line on six times.
“Ben Hunt’s biggest asset is his running game, and I have been telling everyone that for years,” Walters, who has coached both of the pair in Origin, told Sky Sports Radio yesterday.
“(The six-again rule) is perfect for those two. Corey Norman is a great runner of the ball too.
“The message from me would be clear to both those players – challenge the line.
There are calls to name Hunt on the bench in Monday’s round four clash against Canterbury, with the view he is more suited to a utility role.
Moving Hunt onto the bench and Norman to halfback, opens up an opportunity for rising youngster Tristan Sailor to press his claims at five-eighth.
McGregor could also turn to untried halfback Adam Clune, who has impressed during his first full NRL pre-season. Clune was named in the 2019 Canterbury Cup Team of the Year at halfback after enjoying a breakout season.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/c6d1635f318b4113ff9eae8a74e99398
 

Warabrook saint

Juniors
Messages
1,799
McGregors going to earn $62,500 in the next MONTH.

He’s not quitting.

Sack him as coach and make him paint Kogarah Oval for the money. It’s not right that he just gets to walk away with a cheque once this is done. Make him earn it.

There’s no way there would be a clause in his contract stopping the club from doing this to him. No one involved in this mess is that smart.
His mate Andrew would never allow that to happen to Mc333 weeks
 

LINESPEED

Juniors
Messages
1,551
NRL open to Shane Flanagan taking over as head coach if Paul McGregor is sacked by Dragons
The NRL has opened the door for Shane Flanagan to return in a head coach role as soon as this season, putting further pressure on St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor’s job.
As it stands Flanagan, who is a Dragons assistant coach, isn’t eligible for a head coach role until the end of next season.
But rather than put a line through a return before then, The Daily Telegraph can reveal the NRL would consider the merit of an application made by the Dragons, or any other club, to appoint Flanagan as a head coach.
Calls for McGregor to be replaced intensified over the weekend after his side slumped to their third straight loss to start the season, going down 18-nil to an injury-depleted New Zealand Warriors
In April last year, McGregor was re-signed until the end of 2021 but could end up surviving for the entire duration of the deal despite finishing 15th last year and only managing four wins from the last 21 games.
It’s believed the club would have folk out between $1.5 and $1.8 million if the board were to terminate McGregor’s contract.
On top of the pay out, the club would also need to find the extra funds to pay a new coach which could cost up to $800,000 a season.
But the board could potentially be swayed to make a call on McGregor’s future if it was in a position to make a cheaper internal hire in his place.
The Dragons’ next board meeting is scheduled for June 16, with a match against the struggling Gold Coast to follow.
Initially, Flanagan was deregistered indefinitely in December 2018 for violating the rules of his 2014 ban for his role in Cronulla’s supplement scandal.
But the NRL eased the sanction and registered the 2016 premiership-winning coach so he can take up an assistant role at the Dragons late last year.
In November, the Dragons announced a raft of changes to the football department after the club’s annual review.
In total eight changes were made including the appointment of Flanagan as an assistant coach, mainly dealing with defence.
The club also appointed leadership and mind consultants after the review found the Dragons needed a greater focus on culture and leadership.
But the changes haven’t delivered results on the field.
McGregor told his side in no uncertain terms in the lead-up to round three that underperforming players would be dropped from the top 17.
Saturday’s lacklustre performance has raised questions about the side’s pricey halves combination of Ben Hunt and Corey Norman and left McGregor no choice but to make good on his threat to dump players from the starting side.
Queensland coach Kevin Walters urged Hunt and Norman to find their running game.
Hunt had just two runs from 65 possessions against the Warriors, while Norman took the line on six times.
“Ben Hunt’s biggest asset is his running game, and I have been telling everyone that for years,” Walters, who has coached both of the pair in Origin, told Sky Sports Radio yesterday.
“(The six-again rule) is perfect for those two. Corey Norman is a great runner of the ball too.
“The message from me would be clear to both those players – challenge the line.
There are calls to name Hunt on the bench in Monday’s round four clash against Canterbury, with the view he is more suited to a utility role.
Moving Hunt onto the bench and Norman to halfback, opens up an opportunity for rising youngster Tristan Sailor to press his claims at five-eighth.
McGregor could also turn to untried halfback Adam Clune, who has impressed during his first full NRL pre-season. Clune was named in the 2019 Canterbury Cup Team of the Year at halfback after enjoying a breakout season.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/c6d1635f318b4113ff9eae8a74e99398

Again I say it:

Andrew Gordon would not sanction the Club making an application for the immediate reinstatement of Flanno because that would signal the end of his mate’s career.

And he ain’t doin’ that till the bitter end
If ever

I would suggest that Gould’s services were also predicated on a directive (we know from whom?)
that there was to be
(strangely & never heard of before)
... no threat to the coach

Overpaid?
Benefactor!

No pay cut?
Benefactor!

Parachuted in with no experience?
Benefactor!

Unsacked after 7 failed years?
Benefactor!

Again, I simply quote the readily available stats:
In 113 years of rugby league history there have been 57 coaches who’ve coached 139 games or more.
McFail’s best ladder position is 7th in his 7 years

.....& that ranks him 56th out of 57.
.... The 2nd worst coach in 113 years

His most current stats have gotten progressively worse:
4/21 (the wins against bottom teams)

Reason he’s still there?
Benefactor!

Just keep joining the dots
 
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BLM01

First Grade
Messages
9,915
Again I say it:

Andrew Gordon would not sanction the Club making an application for the immediate reinstatement of Flanno because that would signal the end of his mate’s career.

And he ain’t doin’ that till the bitter end
If ever

I would suggest that Gould’s services were also predicated on a directive (we know from whom?)
that there was to be
(strangely & never heard of before)
... no threat to the coach

Overpaid?
Benefactor!

No pay cut?
Benefactor!

Parachuted in with no experience?
Benefactor!

Unsacked after 7 failed years?
Benefactor!

Again, I simply quote the readily available stats:
In 113 years of rugby league history there have been 57 coaches who’ve coached 139 games or more.
McFail’s best ladder position is 7th in his 7 years

.....& that ranks him 56th out of 57.
.... The 2nd worst coach in 113 years

His most current stats have gotten progressively worse:
4/21 (the wins against bottom teams)

Reason he’s still there?
Benefactor!

Just keep joining the dots
I disagree with the crap thrown on Gus with the review.
I think he has handed the truth on a platter to the BOD but leaving them with a decision..as he was not in a position to make the hard call
He was called in by Mary...Gus knew too well he was safe as the board sanctioned a 2 year Contract from 2020 and he said so publicly on 100% footy prior to doing the review.
But what he found is the biggest kick in the guts to any coach and the BOD must see it now.
1. Your culture and identity..non existant
2. He needs help and should surround himself with an experienced coach (i.e. cant do it himself)
Gus did the job we needed but came out smelling like roses cause he could not do anything or recommend anything to do with Mary...for obvious reasons
 
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It’s wall to wall “Sack Mary” on all the big media outlets today. The ideology of this little thread has exploded into mainstream. It’s gone nuclear.

The Hoops thing actually went overtime on the issue. Any reference to other topics was drowned out pretty quickly.

My recollection is that nobody was saying what a good bloke Mary was. Not one kind word.

Hoops said he would fight for every last dollar.
BJ re-signed him alone. If that’s true, that’s shocking.

The Millward issue is the sleeper Some give him credit for the big names, but it’s clear they aren’t suited to Marys style. He could argue that no one is. Not that anyone is hanging around these days.

His backing Mary after the Friz resignation looked decidedly cheap and nasty. I thought It was one of the most unconvincing efforts of the pr machine since the fake review. He seemed frenetic if anybody saw it.

Everyone looks under duress at sgi at the moment.

Where’s Webby defending the clubs honour?!

If @LINESPEED is right, that’s the end of the venture. He has history on his side in this. It’s frightening.
 

Gareth67

First Grade
Messages
8,787
NRL open to Shane Flanagan taking over as head coach if Paul McGregor is sacked by Dragons
The NRL has opened the door for Shane Flanagan to return in a head coach role as soon as this season, putting further pressure on St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor’s job.
As it stands Flanagan, who is a Dragons assistant coach, isn’t eligible for a head coach role until the end of next season.
But rather than put a line through a return before then, The Daily Telegraph can reveal the NRL would consider the merit of an application made by the Dragons, or any other club, to appoint Flanagan as a head coach.
Calls for McGregor to be replaced intensified over the weekend after his side slumped to their third straight loss to start the season, going down 18-nil to an injury-depleted New Zealand Warriors
In April last year, McGregor was re-signed until the end of 2021 but could end up surviving for the entire duration of the deal despite finishing 15th last year and only managing four wins from the last 21 games.
It’s believed the club would have folk out between $1.5 and $1.8 million if the board were to terminate McGregor’s contract.
On top of the pay out, the club would also need to find the extra funds to pay a new coach which could cost up to $800,000 a season.
But the board could potentially be swayed to make a call on McGregor’s future if it was in a position to make a cheaper internal hire in his place.
The Dragons’ next board meeting is scheduled for June 16, with a match against the struggling Gold Coast to follow.
Initially, Flanagan was deregistered indefinitely in December 2018 for violating the rules of his 2014 ban for his role in Cronulla’s supplement scandal.
But the NRL eased the sanction and registered the 2016 premiership-winning coach so he can take up an assistant role at the Dragons late last year.
In November, the Dragons announced a raft of changes to the football department after the club’s annual review.
In total eight changes were made including the appointment of Flanagan as an assistant coach, mainly dealing with defence.
The club also appointed leadership and mind consultants after the review found the Dragons needed a greater focus on culture and leadership.
But the changes haven’t delivered results on the field.
McGregor told his side in no uncertain terms in the lead-up to round three that underperforming players would be dropped from the top 17.
Saturday’s lacklustre performance has raised questions about the side’s pricey halves combination of Ben Hunt and Corey Norman and left McGregor no choice but to make good on his threat to dump players from the starting side.
Queensland coach Kevin Walters urged Hunt and Norman to find their running game.
Hunt had just two runs from 65 possessions against the Warriors, while Norman took the line on six times.
“Ben Hunt’s biggest asset is his running game, and I have been telling everyone that for years,” Walters, who has coached both of the pair in Origin, told Sky Sports Radio yesterday.
“(The six-again rule) is perfect for those two. Corey Norman is a great runner of the ball too.
“The message from me would be clear to both those players – challenge the line.
There are calls to name Hunt on the bench in Monday’s round four clash against Canterbury, with the view he is more suited to a utility role.
Moving Hunt onto the bench and Norman to halfback, opens up an opportunity for rising youngster Tristan Sailor to press his claims at five-eighth.
McGregor could also turn to untried halfback Adam Clune, who has impressed during his first full NRL pre-season. Clune was named in the 2019 Canterbury Cup Team of the Year at halfback after enjoying a breakout season.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/c6d1635f318b4113ff9eae8a74e99398

Hope ! That is the first bit of ( possible ) good news that I have heard about the Dragon’s coaching woes . We have a premiership winning coach merely awaiting the call , unfortunately his path to the top job could indeed be blocked by ( as others have already said ) Andrew Gordon .

Should he not apply to the NRL for an early recall to top grade coaching role for Flanno then it will prove what so many other members warned us about - that is that the Gordon/s takeover of the Joint Venture will be fraught with danger as has proved to be the case thus far .

There will be no reason for Flanagan to stay at the club any longer , not with this pack of clowns running the show , he would be better elsewhere where he skills would be appreciated. As for the fools who have the power that can completely change the current situation but have done SFA they can all go to blazes , never again will I spend another penny on the club .
 
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I disagree with the crap thrown on Gus with the review.
I think he has handed the truth on a platter to the BOD but leaving them with a decision..as he was not in a position to make the hard call
He was called in by Mary...Gus knew too well he was safe as the board sanctioned a 2 year Contract from 2020 and he said so publicly on 100% footy prior to doing the review.
But what he found is the biggest kick in the guts to any coach and the BOD must see it now.
1. Your culture and identity..non existant
2. He needs help and should surround himself with an experienced coach (i.e. cant do it himself)
Gus did the job we needed but came out smelling like roses cause he could not do anything or recommend anything to do with Mary...for obvious reasons

That’s an interesting position.

It would be good to hear Gus version of the events.

But the mere invitation from a mate and his acceptance suggested a conflict of interest and could never be seen as anything else.

So if as you say, he’s in there fighting hard for the common man, he must have known his thoughts would never have been properly addressed. He was facing push back.

Or if they were addressed, months after the review, any lessons about culture and so forth, haven’t done anything it seems but send the squad backwards. So why he meant well, he was wrong.

But I like your thoughts on it.
 

BLM01

First Grade
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That’s an interesting position.

It would be good to hear Gus version of the events.

But the mere invitation from a mate and his acceptance suggested a conflict of interest and could never be seen as anything else.

So if as you say, he’s in there fighting hard for the common man, he must have known his thoughts would never have been properly addressed. He was facing push back.

Or if they were addressed, months after the review, any lessons about culture and so forth, haven’t done anything it seems but send the squad backwards. So why he meant well, he was wrong.

But I like your thoughts on it.
it is clear they listened and have tried..implementing all he said.
But all that was just papering over cracks that Gus was not asked to do..as Mary was always safe as of last year anyway.
Gus saw what was wrong but could not advise of the real killer blow needed as was not instructed to.
 
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Hope ! That is the first bit of ( possible ) good news that I have heard about the Dragon’s coaching woes . We have a premiership winning coach merely awaiting the call , unfortunately his path to the top job could indeed be blocked by ( as others have already said ) Andrew Gordon .

Should he not apply to the NRL for an early recall to top grade coaching role for Flanno then it will prove what so many other members warned us about - that is that the Gordon/s takeover of the Joint Venture will be fraught with danger as has proved to be the case thus far .

There will be no reason for Flanagan to stay at the club any longer , not with this pack of clowns running the show , he would be better elsewhere where he skills would be appreciated. As for the fools who have the power that can completely change the current situation but have done SFA they can all go to blazes , never again will I spend another penny on the club .

3 losses in a row and getting worse. Flanno might be the bridge the board need to not lose face entirely. Compromise candidate. The scomo of sgi.

it is clear they listened and have tried..implementing all he said.
But all that was just papering over cracks that Gus was not asked to do..as Mary was always safe as of last year anyway.
Gus saw what was wrong but could not advise of the real killer blow needed as was not instructed to.

Fair enough, you may have more insights than I do on the issue.
 

ChocOConnor

Juniors
Messages
448
I a little confused as to how we cannot afford to pay out the dipshit.

Firstly I don’t think he is anywhere near the money mentioned as I recall once someone said he is on around 300-$450000 and was signed cause he was a cheap option

In saying that I just browsed through the financials of the St George leagues club and me being involved in finance can tell you they are a strong entity with plenty and I mean plenty of dollars in assets debt free I might add and have almost 20 million cash in bank.
I may be working but if anyone can tell me I can only say what I saw and the club can pay out dipshit and it wound hurt there bottom line one bit
 

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