Sam Burgess not in Sonny's class.

[shiznit]

You can't possibly believe this tripe. He signs one-year contracts partly to keep his options open.

exactly.... So why do you have a big problem with him doing that??

I mean clubs sign players to one year deals with a club option for more years all the time... Which is designed to give the club the option to cut the player loose if they don't perform.

Now we have an athlete who is in such high demand he's willing to sign short term deals in his favour... And you have a problem with that?? SMH...

It was SBW that signed the 5-year deal for the Dogs, right? And at the first sign of hardship he ran like a bitch? Told no one? Had his mates convince him it was racism?

Are you seriously still holding that against him?? :lol:

The guy was 20yrs old... He was even younger when he signed that deal. He's recognised that he made a mistake and apologised for it...

The fact that you still hold that opinion of him after all these years says volumes about what type of person YOU are... not him.

Came back to league, refused to do media in GF week, pissed about in the Kiwis environment...yeah, top bloke. Never beat Australia in the Kiwis jersey. Maybe he can return and take that on for a challenge? Oh that's right, he said he didn't want to play for them, then changed his mind and denied Tohu Harris a debut tour. Top bloke.

Are you serious??

He originally didn't commit to the kiwis because he was undecided on his future. He made his decision and called mooks to advise he was available...

Mooks didn't have to pick him.. And didn't have to drop Tohu.

Mooks decided that... Not SBW...

 

[adamkungl]

Ffs it's not like the club he shafted was exactly the pinnacle of morality. Love how everyone's sympathetic to them, they literally got a premiership out of proven cap cheating a year earlier to SBWs runaway.

 

[Bronco18]

Ffs it's not like the club he shafted was exactly the pinnacle of morality. Love how everyone's sympathetic to them, they literally got a premiership out of proven cap cheating a year earlier to SBWs runaway.

Dogs premiership was in 2004, he ran away in 2008 having resigned in 2007. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bill_Williams

 

[foreverinourshadow]

sammy burgess is a country mile better than sbw,your right of course sammy burgess is not in sonny bill's class sammy burgess is a better player.

 

[adamkungl]

Dogs premiership was in 2004, he ran away in 2008 having resigned in 2007. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bill_Williams

Forgot the year he ran. Oh well, my point still stands. Bulldogs are scum with no moral leg to stand on, SBW has likely improved himself a thousandfold as a person by no longer being involved with such a trashy, cheating club.

 

[roostersrule2]

Different style of player.

Whilst they're both skilful players with a high work ethic. I'd say Burgess is more work ethic whilst Sonny is more skilful.

I'd take Sonny because he is capable of doing things no other player can. He also doesn't give away as many penalties, drop balls and grab them.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

exactly.... So why do you have a big problem with him doing that??

I mean clubs sign players to one year deals with a club option for more years all the time... Which is designed to give the club the option to cut the player loose if they don't perform.

Now we have an athlete who is in such high demand he's willing to sign short term deals in his favour... And you have a problem with that?? SMH...



Are you seriously still holding that against him?? :lol:

The guy was 20yrs old... He was even younger when he signed that deal. He's recognised that he made a mistake and apologised for it...

The fact that you still hold that opinion of him after all these years says volumes about what type of person YOU are... not him.



Are you serious??

He originally didn't commit to the kiwis because he was undecided on his future. He made his decision and called mooks to advise he was available...

Mooks didn't have to pick him.. And didn't have to drop Tohu.

Mooks decided that... Not SBW...

You're an apologist, I'm an anti-fan for life. No doubt continuing to debate, it won't go anywhere. I enjoyed it when he was in Toulon, I didn't have to hear about him. Hopefully it's some way similar in Sevens.

 

[Lambretta]

Brad Thorne is better than either tbh.

Brad Thorne is a f**king turncoat merkin

I'm Australian, no I'm a Kiwi

He can f**king well f**k off

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Oh yes, it was rubbish when he flip flopped, but gee he was a quality player.

Tony Carroll was worse. Top shelf turncoat.

 

[Hutty1986]

I don't think that Lamby likes Thorny too much.

 

[papabear]

TBH if burgess played for NZ he would have won a world cup just like sbw.

 

[Perth Red]

$BW was so impressed with winning a RUWC that he gave away his medal at the very first opportunity he had lol.

 

[dogz08]

didn't he give one of his nrl premiership rings to his dad?

 

[shiznit]

TBH if burgess played for NZ he would have won a world cup just like sbw.

NZ rugby is a whole different thing to Australian and English rugby.

If Sam Burgess tried his luck in NZ rugby with that short build up he would be lucky to play for a super rugby franchise...

He wouldn't be anywhere near an All Black jersey.

Burgess would have been a failure just like Benji Marshall was.... Who couldn't even make the Blues bench FFS...

 

[RWB]

TBH if burgess played for NZ he would have won a world cup just like sbw.

He tried so hard to be like Sonny but he just wasn't cut out for it.

He barely lasted a year the poor bloke. I must admit I do feel a bit of empathy for him, Souths fans unfairly flooded his head with comparisons to SBW.

 

[Knownothing]

TBH if burgess played for NZ he would have won a world cup just like sbw.

If Burgess had stayed with Bath for as long as SBW stayed with Toulon - three seasons - he might have in 2019. It is ludicrous to think that he was ready for international competition.

 

[MarkC]

Sam Burgess showed courage is leading his side to a GF win in the toughest comp in the world.
SBW was a bit player in the Dogs 2004 GF.
He was more significant at the Roosters, but not as dominant and courageous as SB.
Who cares what they have achieved is lesser sports.
SBW may play for the All Blacks, but again he is a bit player.
The standard of the comp in French RU is a joke, as far as I know or care.
No doubt SBW is a great athlete, who can occasionally do great things.
Sam Burgess doesn't have the same level of skill, but he has more courage, work rate and commitment.
In the NRL fans get carried away with the flashy stuff, but it is often the tough stuff that gets the job done.

 

[roostersrule2]

Bit player? He was destroying teams, at 18.

SBW was as dominant for us as Burgess was for Souffs.

They're pretty equal in their impact to a side.

 

[MarkC]

Bit player? He was destroying teams, at 18.

SBW was as dominant for us as Burgess was for Souffs.

They're pretty equal in their impact to a side.

From memory he came off the bench in the 2004 GF win, I don't remember him having a significant impact on the game.

I would need to watch a replay to confirm, but generally if a player is dominant you remember it.

Yes, I can remember a handful of games where SBW was clearly the best player on the field and determined the result.

If pressed I would say 5-6 games for the Dogs and 7-10 games for the Roosters.

At the Dogs SBW was a victim of his own ability, he may have been playing to high a level too early, he had the ability to handle it but his body wasn't ready and lots of injuries resulted.

After the stint in RU and perhaps better training routines, he body was in better shape during the stint and the Roosters hence more impact.

All I am saying is through out his career Burgess delivers most weeks, SBW can be hot and cold, but his consistency is improves when his body is in better shape.

 

[roostersrule2]

From memory he came off the bench in the 2004 GF win, I don't remember him having a significant impact on the game.

I would need to watch a replay to confirm, but generally if a player is dominant you remember it.

Yes, I can remember a handful of games where SBW was clearly the best player on the field and determined the result.

If pressed I would say 5-6 games for the Dogs and 7-10 games for the Roosters.

At the Dogs SBW was a victim of his own ability, he may have been playing to high a level too early, he had the ability to handle it but his body wasn't ready and lots of injuries resulted.

After the stint in RU and perhaps better training routines, he body was in better shape during the stint and the Roosters hence more impact.

All I am saying is through out his career Burgess delivers most weeks, SBW can be hot and cold, but his consistency is improves when his body is in better shape.

SBW was our best player more often then not, especially in 2013. He was the best player in the comp. He dominated teams for the entire season.

I don't remember the dogs game as much but I also can't remember an 18 year old playing to the level he did. Which may have had an impact on his body yes.

I think a lot of people are forgetting Burgess pre-2014, he was good, real good. He was also inconsistent, dropped balls and gave away a lot of penalties though.