Sam Burgess retires

[Galeforce]

The angst that Souths should not be penalised with Sam's retirement payout is a joke and shows a lack of logically thinking.

Sam signed his new deal in September 2018......4 years. There was NO incentive for this deal other than to keep Sam at Souths for 4 years until he retired. If Souths knew his shoulder would be an ongoing issue and be hit with infection , why would they sign him to the long term deal? There is NO reason , no benefit for Souths at all. In fact Souths will effectively pay Sam close to $5m for playing half of 2019. Yes ,I can accept Souths may have mismanaged signing a player near the end of his career to 4 year deal........however many clubs would have been interested to do the same with Sam last year with the information available.

The NRL rule re medical retirement is to stop clubs signing players to long term lucrative deals with a view to RORT the salary cap in some way during the last years of the long term contract. If anyone can explain how Souths were rorting the salary cap with Sam 's contract ......be free to provide the logic.

Sorry to see Sam retire this way .........hope he can full clear this shoulder infection and lead a normal life in retirement. He is still a young man.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

Souffs hate aside, Sam Burgess has been a great player. One of if not the best poms we've had in the NRL.

Man I wish he had played for my team tbh

 

[Springs09]

The angst that Souths should not be penalised with Sam's retirement payout is a joke and shows a lack of logically thinking.

Sam signed his new deal in September 2018......4 years. There was NO incentive for this deal other than to keep Sam at Souths for 4 years until he retired. If Souths knew his shoulder would be an ongoing issue and be hit with infection , why would they sign him to the long term deal? There is NO reason , no benefit for Souths at all. In fact Souths will effectively pay Sam close to $5m for playing half of 2019. Yes ,I can accept Souths may have mismanaged signing a player near the end of his career to 4 year deal........however many clubs would have been interested to do the same with Sam last year with the information available.

The NRL rule re medical retirement is to stop clubs signing players to long term lucrative deals with a view to RORT the salary cap in some way during the last years of the long term contract. If anyone can explain how Souths were rorting the salary cap with Sam 's contract ......be free to provide the logic.

Sorry to see Sam retire this way .........hope he can full clear this shoulder infection and lead a normal life in retirement. He is still a young man.

The logic has been provided several times in this thread. It's not about Souths intentionally rorting the cap, it's that a precedent can't be set for a club to sign a player to a long term deal with the option to medically retire them halfway through as it means, like you said, that they effectively get paid 4 or 5 million dollars to play one season with only 1/4 counting on any years salary cap.

It also doesn't sit well with me that with all the talk of rugby league everywhere struggling, including with funds, that a former rugby league player will get $1.2m a year for the next three years to do nothing. Rugby league will pay a former player to go party his arse off for the next three years if he wants. Was Sam a great player? Yep, and he got paid well for it. Does Sam deserve $3.6m in the next three years because he can't play anymore? No, not really.

 

[Vic Mackey]

The angst that Souths should not be penalised with Sam's retirement payout is a joke and shows a lack of logically thinking.

Sam signed his new deal in September 2018......4 years. There was NO incentive for this deal other than to keep Sam at Souths for 4 years until he retired. If Souths knew his shoulder would be an ongoing issue and be hit with infection , why would they sign him to the long term deal? There is NO reason , no benefit for Souths at all. In fact Souths will effectively pay Sam close to $5m for playing half of 2019. Yes ,I can accept Souths may have mismanaged signing a player near the end of his career to 4 year deal........however many clubs would have been interested to do the same with Sam last year with the information available.

The NRL rule re medical retirement is to stop clubs signing players to long term lucrative deals with a view to RORT the salary cap in some way during the last years of the long term contract. If anyone can explain how Souths were rorting the salary cap with Sam 's contract ......be free to provide the logic.

Sorry to see Sam retire this way .........hope he can full clear this shoulder infection and lead a normal life in retirement. He is still a young man.

Ahh it is exactly a way to Rort the cap. Would you be happy if the Roosters signed Cam Murray on a 20 year deal?

 

[beave]

His shoulder looked alright 3 days ago?

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Ahh it is exactly a way to Rort the cap. Would you be happy if the Roosters signed Cam Murray on a 20 year deal?

Nothing personal but It’s borderline stupidity to suggest the Burgess contract is out of the norm and to equate it to a fictional 20 year deal that has never and will never be done us even more stupid

 

[Vic Mackey]

Nothing personal but It’s borderline stupidity to suggest the Burgess contract is out of the norm and to equate it to a fictional 20 year deal that has never and will never be done us even more stupid

So you wouldn’t be happy with it, why is that?

 

[skeepe]

Nothing personal but It’s borderline stupidity to suggest the Burgess contract is out of the norm and to equate it to a fictional 20 year deal that has never and will never be done us even more stupid

Didn’t Taumalolo sign a 10-year deal?

 

[taste2taste]

Anyone else think this whole thing us suss ?

From what I've read he has an infection in his shoulder stopping him from being able to get surgery ...but the infection will be gone in a year and what's stopping him from getting the surgery then and returning to South's in 2021 season ?

It seems Souths don't want to pay him to have a season off due to injury.

 

[LineBall]

Anyone else think this whole thing us suss ?

From what I've read he has an infection in his shoulder stopping him from being able to get surgery ...but the infection will be gone in a year and what's stopping him from getting the surgery then and returning to South's in 2021 season ?

It seems Souths don't want to pay him to have a season off due to injury.

Am I right in thinking that the infection will weaken or thin out the bone where it's present? If that's the case, then the damage is already done. Yes, once the infection is gone, surgery is an option, but that might be to give him a greater range of motion to be able to use the shoulder for the rest of his life. It will never stand up the the rigors of a high impact sport anymore.

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Didn’t Taumalolo sign a 10-year deal?

Yes, is that 20?

10 years is a career 20 is generally it! Also, the NRLwould not approve a 20 year contract

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Anyone else think this whole thing us suss ?

From what I've read he has an infection in his shoulder stopping him from being able to get surgery ...but the infection will be gone in a year and what's stopping him from getting the surgery then and returning to South's in 2021 season ?

It seems Souths don't want to pay him to have a season off due to injury.

The bone has been eaten away by the infection

there is no growing back or healing that can happen

 

[BranVan3000]

Anyone else think this whole thing us suss ?

From what I've read he has an infection in his shoulder stopping him from being able to get surgery ...but the infection will be gone in a year and what's stopping him from getting the surgery then and returning to South's in 2021 season ?

It seems Souths don't want to pay him to have a season off due to injury.

No he had an infection during the season after a surgery which has reportedly deteriorated his shoulder to the point that standard surgeries won’t help

He was apparently looking at some miracle stem cell treatments as a last hope in US but it looks like that is not happening if he is retiring

 

[JamesRustle]

The NRL really need to get some consistency in how they treat retirement payments under the cap...

I'd suggest they align with the no-faultstand down policy, where if the injury will keep you out of the game for a minimum of 11 years, then the full amount of your outstanding contract will be cap exempt - no questions asked. Anything under 11 years is play on or wear the payments in your cap.

 

[BranVan3000]

The logic has been provided several times in this thread. It's not about Souths intentionally rorting the cap, it's that a precedent can't be set for a club to sign a player to a long term deal with the option to medically retire them halfway through as it means, like you said, that they effectively get paid 4 or 5 million dollars to play one season with only 1/4 counting on any years salary cap.

It also doesn't sit well with me that with all the talk of rugby league everywhere struggling, including with funds, that a former rugby league player will get $1.2m a year for the next three years to do nothing. Rugby league will pay a former player to go party his arse off for the next three years if he wants. Was Sam a great player? Yep, and he got paid well for it. Does Sam deserve $3.6m in the next three years because he can't play anymore? No, not really.

He would be paid through insurance

 

[shaggs]

The bone has been eaten away by the infection

there is no growing back or healing that can happen

So it’s not a new injury then.
He had the surgery, had the infection and then played again.

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

So it’s not a new injury then.
He had the surgery, had the infection and then played again.

Incorrect

 

[shaggs]

How so?

Did he reinjure himself after the operation?

Incorrect

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

How so?

Did he reinjure himself after the operation?

Are you being serious

 

[nick87]

This is going to be a can of worms, and any club not taking advantage of it isnt being serious

The Raiders are right now trying to extend some key players and have some cap issues... i've got a pretty good way of elevating some of them. Jarrod Croker, 29 years old, captain and golden boy of the club...

We could sign him to a 4 year deal for 750k a year, so 3mil overall. He'd be 33 at the end of that deal
Or we can sign him to a 6 year deal for 500k a year... and when he's medically retired at 33, we pay out the remaining 1mil... he gets his 3mil in 4 years, we get to rort the cap to the tune of 250k for the next 4 years.

Can double down and do the same with a Josh Papalii extension who's 28... 7 year extension when he'll only ever see 5 at the absolute most would help free up another 200-300k a year

Exciting times