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[The Masked Avenger]

[QUOTE="carcharias, post: 13969878, member: 6193"

didn’t spot one scientist on the beach with a thermometer either.[/QUOTE]

I think you will find that they use rectal thermometers, so they were too busy using them elsewhere.

And btw, pork barreling is not exactly a new thing. If the PM wants to splash a bit of money in his electorate good on him I say.

I’ve always said it but the easiest job in the world would be “ a politician in opposition “.
Party in power implements a good idea, opposition says “ hell yeah we have been suggesting the govt do that for years. What has taken them so long mr speaker”

Party in power implements an Emily Siebhom of an idea. Opposition says “ as if we would have ever done that, the govt is inept mr speaker”

 

[taipan]

Oppositions oppose.That's the nature of the beast.They can hide out of the limelight by criticising and doing zilch themselves. Sometimes they are effective re legislation and keeping the bastards honest.


Oppositions don't oppose in totalitarian societies, they either get jailed or shot(hello Kim) or in the case of Russia ,critical journalists end up lying in a very stiff and permanent position. .

 

[txta2]

Absolute complete rubbish. Regional areas are booming in infrastructure builds. Wish I had 3 of me.

Name...and shame.
Someone will get thrown under a bus by Scotty soon.

 

[txta2]

Wow
People who have worked their arses off to be successful are not worthy of a sports clubhouse because of where they live?

That's not really the point of the grants. Especially when over 70 percent of them were not approved by Sports Australia....and then the minister approves them herself.
If a club is successful , then good for them. But "girls getting changed behind trees", doesn't really wash with a rowing club that has $2.5 mill in assets like Mosman.
If a club like Lilli Pilli started hoarding all the good players from the shire, wouldn't that actually disadvantage other clubs and degrade the sport?

 

[BatteredFlake]

Nicholas Lewis statitician mathemetician scientist & climatologist has an agenda. He thinks majority of climate scientists are frauds. Charlatans. Tricksters. Con Men. etc.
he was right, the ocean is warming at expected levels. SWEET FA.

Getting better . Denialists finally got a little smart in getting a mathematician to go over Data. You are correct that it was unforgivable slipshod work in the calculations .. The leaders of that team erred badly not having a decent Mathematician going over the figures . . However I dont beleive Lewis is a climatoligist.and not sure of his credentials as a statactician . Hes a Mathematician Phycisist The research he was debunking was a different way of measuring Ocean temp and was actually a success and will be a "watch this space "in future hopefully with better calculations on the data received . Even with the mistakes in calculations it did not equate to SFA in Ocean warming
. https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/11/...y-criticism-shows-how-scientific-method-works Anyway David Suzuki wasn't worried about it.

 

[carcharias]

That's not really the point of the grants. Especially when over 70 percent of them were not approved by Sports Australia....and then the minister approves them herself.
If a club is successful , then good for them. But "girls getting changed behind trees", doesn't really wash with a rowing club that has $2.5 mill in assets like Mosman.
If a club like Lilli Pilli started hoarding all the good players from the shire, wouldn't that actually disadvantage other clubs and degrade the sport?

oh ffs
They needed a new f**king clubhouse
The old one was a public toilet.
Hoarding players?
Haha
I know my team and kids team are getting massive deals all the time from the teams with a new clubhouse.
Haha
Good god

 

[BatteredFlake]

awesome
Zero to do with what I wrote.
You wrote :
fitzy
Could not even give an answer
Nothing
Deer in the headlights.mate
That video I had deleted
Was Barnaby Joyce and Joel Fitzgibbon
Barnaby was doing his thing talking about the bush fires and drought And how they could’ve done stuff differently.
Blah blah

Then Joel starts bagging out the liberal party
Thats normal for a politician

after a while he starts questioning Barnaby input.
Ha
Bad move
Barnaby gets the shits
He lives on drought effected property
He is ripping into Joel
Joel is bagging out the liberal party’s bush fire plan.
Barnaby finally cracks and say
What is your plan?

joel responds with
We are here to hold the liberal party to account

Barnaby asks again

even kochie interrupts and says it’s a good question

this bloke couldn’t answer
He literally could not give any answer at all
Nothing.

he is on tv bagging out the liberal but can’t give one single answer.
It was train wreck tv.

Im no fan of fitzgibbon or Labour party . .Previous leader didnt stand up to unions ,scared of Mining votes... Hes gone .. Liberals tolerate idiot denialist/We cant do anything about itists in their party so they need to be gone even if it puts labour back in. As for addressing your point Carcharious you say you dont follow politics but are all over this. Did you work it all out by yourself for this post or did you get help from movicol ? You put a defence of Barnagy denialist joyce in the post . Its part of your argument to support your "point" so fair game to any reasonable person

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-bizarre-christmas-video-20191225-p53mt4.html

 

[BatteredFlake]

Holy Denialist! What a load of , Obfuscating ,Ad hominem filled,deflecting ,puerile, obtuse,Non-secatur filled ***** Normally Id not dignify such nonsense with an answer but ill answer first couple

I don't think anywhere i've suggested hum population hasn't played a part in I didnt say you did.
Thus my point on the big increase in population is not enunciated out loud by the Thunbergs or Gores of this world.If you are going to lay out criticism on a massive subject such as climate change ,you spell it out, not just one area. Greta is a teenager . You think she should write a book about all the causes and effects and solutions to climate change or STFU? Gore did write a book . That he leads a hypocritical lifestyle doest mean he got it wrong Ive been debating this stuff for years and can distictly remember denialists putting down Global warming saying that Predictions of the 60s and 70s of not being able to feed the population were proven wrong . You are now reversing that argument ? Pretty sure Gore covered it in his book anyway.
My views re defoliation of jungles coupled with the above.Hence my comments about no demos outside the Embassies of countries involved directly with the above. So defoliation of jungles in South America ican only be addressed by protests directly outside their embassies ? Do you think they might look at our record with coal, our top three carbon footprint on population basis and just dismiss us as Hypocrits ?
Norway is about to embark on a new gas development in the North Sea subject to approval .I trust the young lass ,living a country next door ,will be outside the Norwegian Embassy protesting. Yes Attack greta again . Im guessing her and her family were vocal in Norway But who cares?

I studied FWIW Geology in final two years of high school so I have a basic layman's idea ,chasing fossil samples on the Lower Blue Mtns and on the rocks in the Warringah beach land area..Many things have happened over the Earth's existence, re volcanic activity ,earth's crust movements, mass extinctions (still working out whether it was a direct meteor hit,) tsunamis, sedimentary, metamorphic and igneous rock also tell tales over the eons.The Earth is such a volatile place.We saw it in 2004 with the SEA Tsunami. I was talking about the study of sedimentary layers mainly in conjunction with other things has added a lot to knowledge of Climate over the years

Yes radiocarbon dating is fairly accurate for the most part, but it has a few sizeable flaws.Cosmic rays and changes in Earth's climate can cause irregularities , in the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere.Humans began making an impact in the Industrial Revolution.Source .anthropolgy.msu.ed
Current data of the last 200 years is small in the overall age of the Earth TBF. WTF

If scientists make dogmatic statements the temp will rise by X degrees and coastlines flooded in 20 years.They are making a statement of fact. If they stated there is a possibility this could happen then fine.
It's a cop out for them to say, but it's happening now .WTF?

Weather is what is happening now, climate change of course ,is not something happening now but weather over many years to form a pattern.The common denominator weather.
Think even the most naive denialist knows the difference Qld for example has had cyclones over years,.some very severe.We have had severe fires over the years ,some very severe. SO WTF ?

All my point was, here is an example in one area where the water is cold at a specific place.It may well be warner a few kms north.So you can have many points with many different results?Not my grandson ,my mates.He's 16 been surfing since 10, year round, rain, hail or shine. WTF?

I'm not dismissing climate change for the 100th time.I'm questioning ,citing comments.You question ,make a view and you are therefore in denial.Sheesh.If you look at my theme, humans play a big part in what is happening then and now.
Human intervention plays a big part in pollution, decades ago I could eat oysters off rocks in Port Hacking, wouldn't p*ss on them now.Why because of land clearing on the bay's edges and all the sediment going into the Bay, plus oil from boats and water run off from gutters.

Another point.The Earth's Magnetic Pole has officially moved East at an unusually fast pace, from the Canadian Arctic towards Russia.At one stage 55kms pa now about 40kms pa.This has happened many times in Earth's history.What is that impact?

FMD Sack all the CSIRO and BOM scientists Hire this guy and Carch and Defer They Know everything ! Just wish they'd stop drinking Movicol all the time

 

[carcharias]

Im no fan of fitzgibbon or Labour party . .Previous leader didnt stand up to unions ,scared of Mining votes... Hes gone .. Liberals tolerate idiot denialist/We cant do anything about itists in their party so they need to be gone even if it puts labour back in. As for addressing your point Carcharious you say you dont follow politics but are all over this. Did you work it all out by yourself for this post or did you get help from movicol ? You put a defence of Barnagy denialist joyce in the post . Its part of your argument to support your "point" so fair game to any reasonable person

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-bizarre-christmas-video-20191225-p53mt4.html

mate it was on TV while I was making my kids breakfast.
You did not need to know anything about politics to work out one bloke was giving answers and the other wasn’t.
The screen was split and they were both being called by name numerous times.by the tv hosts.
It was about the bushfires
No some boring pre selection back bench blah blah

They do that type of thing all the time.
Ive seen ch 9 do it too.

Sort of like a debate.

 

[carinashark]

With ScoMo re elected, this has me worried.
C02 emitted in one year doesn’t vanish when the calendar flips to 1 January – it remains in the atmosphere, and at a certain point the total amount will have us at a point of no return.
We have to win more premierships, time is running out

 

[carcharias]

Holy Denialist! What a load of , Obfuscating ,Ad hominem filled,deflecting ,puerile, obtuse,Non-secatur filled ***** Normally Id not dignify such nonsense with an answer but ill answer first couple



FMD Sack all the CSIRO and BOM scientists Hire this guy and Carch and Defer They Know everything ! Just wish they'd stop drinking Movicol all the time

you are obsessed with me.
I’ve answered your questions
I have said climate change is real.

You ramble on like a lunatic.


how many f**king cars and motorbikes and shit do you have in your household?
Maybe start looking in your own backyard.

 

[taipan]

Holy Denialist! What a load of , Obfuscating ,Ad hominem filled,deflecting ,puerile, obtuse,Non-secatur filled ***** Normally Id not dignify such nonsense with an answer but ill answer first couple



FMD Sack all the CSIRO and BOM scientists Hire this guy and Carch and Defer They Know everything ! Just wish they'd stop drinking Movicol all the time

 

[taipan]

Holy Denialist! What a load of , Obfuscating ,Ad hominem filled,deflecting ,puerile, obtuse,Non-secatur filled ***** Normally Id not dignify such nonsense with an answer but ill answer first couple




Thanks for reinforcing mine and others views about intolerance, you fit the bill to a T.
I ask questions, cite some commentary and in typical fashion by those with a Leftist "authoritarian" view, you down the shutters and do the name calling tango.Mate no wonder ,China and North Korera don't have opposition.And throwing in all your pretentious descriptions of me, does your debate SFA service.And you have the gall to preach dignity .

The lass is quite capable of going to the UN.and Davos and express her views quite clearly and arranging worldwide demos.It would not be hard to organise such outside the embassies.

What are you friggin talking about sack the BOM and CSIRO.Sometimes perhaps I should I would sack the guys from the BOM ,when they get predictions wrong for just a couple of days ahead..

I read material in addition to BOM and CSIRO.Yep they are experts as is NASA
Experts get questioned, that's the nature of things.

This is an example of why i have the AUDACITY to question.I read an opposing view ,how f*cking dare I.
From Issues and Insights
June 9 2019 Great lakes Reveal a Fatal Flaw in Climate Change Science. and commented on in other Yanks news.

"Lake Erie and superior two of the 5 great lakes broke records for water levels this May.Naturally climate change is getting teh blame"We are undoubtedly observing the effects of a warming climate in teh Great Lakes,says Richard Rood,a Uni versity of Michigan climate scientist.
Just a few years ago ,climate scientists were insisting that warming climate would cause water levels to decline.
in 2008 Science Daily reported on a study that attributed the decline in Great Lakes water levels to global warming.The researches concluded that the study said the drop"raised' concern because the declines are consistent with many climate change predictions
In 2009 Columbia University's Earth Institute informed us that"most climate models" suggest that we may see declines in lake levels over the next 100 years ,one suggests we may see declines of up to 8.2feet.
In 2011 the Union of Concerned scientists said that "scientists expect water levels in the Great Lakes to drop in both summer and winter, with the greatest declines occurring in Lakes Huron and Michigan.
In 2013 the Natural Resources Defense council said that "it's no secret that partially due to climate change ,the water levels in the Great Lakes are getting very low.
That same year Think Progress reported that "several different climate models for the Great Lakes region all predict that lake levels will decline over the next century.

Since the Great Lakes account for 21% of the world's surface fresh water, these stories were all wrapped in doom and gloom scenarios about the impact on drinking water, shipping, recreation and so on.
The very next year ,however water levels started rising .
So what are scientists saying now? Simple.They are now claiming that the fall and rise of Great Lakes water levels are due to climate change.
Climate change is driving rapid shifts between high and low water levels on the Great Lakes,is the new consensus.
The truth of course ,is that water levels in the Great Lakes vary over time.And ,as a matter of fact, they varied far more in the past than they do now.A US Geological Survey notes that "prehistoric levels . exceed modern -day fluctuations.
And as anyone who's ever lived near the Great Lakes knows, the lakes themselves were formed in the wake of a massive change in the earth's climate; when the glaciers receded at the end of the ice Age roughly 14,000 years ago.

So if the lakes ' huge fluctuations in the past weren't caused by mankind's burning fossil fuels, why are scientists so convinced that the far more minor changes happening today are."

So as one of these 'clueless" laymen,I read an opposing view just as i read supporting views on the subject matter. And according to your Highness .QED I'm in denial.

Oh and to keep you calm,I also believe climate change is real,I feel it and see it.

 

[carcharias]

Also
I would like to add
I’m personal friends with other sharks forum members on Facebook.

If I was some sort of denier I’d have that shit all over my FB page.
I’d be getting called out for it.
If anything it is the opposite .

I play music and surf .
There are plenty of pics on there to back me up.
If there was anyone who was going to be concerned with the environment it would be someone like me.

 

[Thick Skinned Shark]

Oh and to keep you calm,I also believe climate change is real,I feel it and see it.

Just like I feel and see that we live on a Flat Earth f'wits!

 

[BatteredFlake]

He also has a farm or brought up on one. Wouldn't be a farmer for quids, too harrowing.

He carries on like an idiot at times, but FitzGibbons would not give an answer (despite being asked 4 times)as to what his party would do).They are sh*t scared of offending the miners, and losing their base in Qld and NSW for good.

.No one from the Left media SMH/ABC/Project questions Albanese about his OKaying coal mining.else China will look elsewhere.

Barnaby went to a private boarding school in Sydney, Not even Tamworth or Armidale , Country towns near his Families property , He got some sort of Business degree from UNE. Not an outstanding student ,But worked as an acountant , Opened his own acountancy firm in St George in 1990s. Hasnt done much Farming ,and like I said in another post . even as a backbencher he gets salary of 200,000 And healthy pension plan. Should buy a lot of fodder . Not many "farmers " can say that.

No one with half a brain is suggesting a full on NO MORE COAL mining Immediately . Had Liberals been aboard the climate change "bandwagon" since Howard days we would be a lot closer to that scenario Ive posted links giving reasoned arguments saying that. How dare I .


"Holy Denialist! What a load of , Obfuscating ,Ad hominem filled,deflecting ,puerile, obtuse,Non-secatur filled ***** Normally Id not dignify such nonsense with an answer but ill answer first couple"

How remiss of me to forget PROJECTION. Absolutely infused into almost all your posts

 

[carinashark]

Let us never again suggest this government might be about to take climate change seriously. Scott Morrison has taken the view that saying he believes in climate change is enough to avoid any suggestion that he is in fact a climate change denier.
I’ve worked in advertising and this is what I would have suggested. Most of the time it works with a controversial product or small grabs on media but it dose have a shelf life.
For the actual deniers in the LNP it’s just a way to increase media profile. I’m finding it quite interesting when I’m not worrying about the soup my grandchildren will have to live in.

 

[BatteredFlake]

Also
I would like to add
I’m personal friends with other sharks forum members on Facebook.

If I was some sort of denier I’d have that shit all over my FB page.
I’d be getting called out for it.
If anything it is the opposite .

I play music and surf .
There are plenty of pics on there to back me up.
If there was anyone who was going to be concerned with the environment it would be someone like me.

Why do you keep repeating the same stuff? Ive never accused you of being a denier . Have said (as simple as I can make it:
1.the effects of climate change are now at a stage where individual efforts of the few with the time , education ,organisation and wherewithal to do the (admitedly admirable) things you and others here are applauding yourselves to do are not enough The trickle down effect is negligable , especially with the arrogant self congratulations that accompanies it

2.If the politicians with the power to bring Tough legislation in are allowed to continue pandering to Denialists and Populists in their party They need to be held to account . As a Democracy we only have two ways of trying to do this . Our Voice and our vote . You dont want to use either to hold to account a party full of denialists so whats the difference ? You say other party is worse . Thats a cop out cause we can vote on local members (not for PM and party) and hold them to account . Tony Abbott was kicked out for example. Your defence of all the denialists is exactly opposite of this.


You seem to think you have some sort of superior credintials as being Environmentally friendly or whatever ? I really have tried to avoid such nonsensical slanging match (im better than you type stuff) However you persist so I will at least explain "my own Backyard ". Its a Farm I sold my house cashed in my super and bought it 4 yrs ago. Previously was farmer till 32. Marriage breakup--Always went back to dads farm and worked whenever I could for room and board. And I love Farming . My farm is my Job , my passion My Hobby , My pension plan . Unlike Barnaby I have no Backup . I look after my 93 yr old father here as well . Hes self funded retiree. As such any money he had is being rapidly drained and when he dies his estate will be split between a bunch of useless relatives . Ill be lucky to get enough to make a small dent in the mortgage.

When I bought this farm it was run down had inadequate equiptment and had a lot of erosion leading to poor tree health the runoff erosion goes into a Dam on the place (full of silt) and into two nearby creeks where it goes to Mary river and out to sea . Erosion control is vital to keep the farm productive and minimise environmental pollutiopn. Anyway I could go on but Im sure youve lost interest now . As for vehicles I have ? I have a mitsubishi Triton For my and family use and to tow trailer to take nuts to market . My Wife works and has her own corolla. Rest of equiptment or vehicles are for Farm and not registered or used for anything else. Oh with one exception I do have a luxury Item I built a Plate Alloy Boat 4.3 metres ,for fishing , It hasnt been used for 4 yrs .no time. Ive had minimal what you would call "holidays in my entire life" Have gone overseas half a dozen times , seen enough and no plans to go overseas anymore. No where better than here and I can see rest on documentaries. Being "productive " has always been important to me.
Anyway when my Dad dies we have a spare room . Always been family tradition Guests welcome and get well fed and looked after . They are however expected to be part of the workforce and join me on the farm. This forum is my escape from dealing with Climate change and other problems on farm Daily- or it was till people insisted on talking politics.( how would you go if you lost a years wages , had increased expenses to keep your job , and faced daily stress of Drought , Hailstorms etc? Maybe you should be grateful for your own backyard and the freedom to do what you love doing rather than just ignorantly bagging out people whose lifestyle you dont understand.


PS Your football posts are great . Your general sense of humour and relating of incidents is fantastic , and Ive always admired you and thought you a great bloke. Still do but Why did you have to go and post political shite ? At least when Quigs does it he has the grace to acknowledge its political.

 

[sharkman73]

Wish I had 3 of me.

No one else does.

 

[Eion]

Why do you keep repeating the same stuff? Ive never accused you of being a denier . Have said (as simple as I can make it:
1.the effects of climate change are now at a stage where individual efforts of the few with the time , education ,organisation and wherewithal to do the (admitedly admirable) things you and others here are applauding yourselves to do are not enough The trickle down effect is negligable , especially with the arrogant self congratulations that accompanies it

2.If the politicians with the power to bring Tough legislation in are allowed to continue pandering to Denialists and Populists in their party They need to be held to account . As a Democracy we only have two ways of trying to do this . Our Voice and our vote . You dont want to use either to hold to account a party full of denialists so whats the difference ? You say other party is worse . Thats a cop out cause we can vote on local members (not for PM and party) and hold them to account . Tony Abbott was kicked out for example. Your defence of all the denialists is exactly opposite of this.


You seem to think you have some sort of superior credintials as being Environmentally friendly or whatever ? I really have tried to avoid such nonsensical slanging match (im better than you type stuff) However you persist so I will at least explain "my own Backyard ". Its a Farm I sold my house cashed in my super and bought it 4 yrs ago. Previously was farmer till 32. Marriage breakup--Always went back to dads farm and worked whenever I could for room and board. And I love Farming . My farm is my Job , my passion My Hobby , My pension plan . Unlike Barnaby I have no Backup . I look after my 93 yr old father here as well . Hes self funded retiree. As such any money he had is being rapidly drained and when he dies his estate will be split between a bunch of useless relatives . Ill be lucky to get enough to make a small dent in the mortgage.

When I bought this farm it was run down had inadequate equiptment and had a lot of erosion leading to poor tree health the runoff erosion goes into a Dam on the place (full of silt) and into two nearby creeks where it goes to Mary river and out to sea . Erosion control is vital to keep the farm productive and minimise environmental pollutiopn. Anyway I could go on but Im sure youve lost interest now . As for vehicles I have ? I have a mitsubishi Triton For my and family use and to tow trailer to take nuts to market . My Wife works and has her own corolla. Rest of equiptment or vehicles are for Farm and not registered or used for anything else. Oh with one exception I do have a luxury Item I built a Plate Alloy Boat 4.3 metres ,for fishing , It hasnt been used for 4 yrs .no time. Ive had minimal what you would call "holidays in my entire life" Have gone overseas half a dozen times , seen enough and no plans to go overseas anymore. No where better than here and I can see rest on documentaries. Being "productive " has always been important to me.
Anyway when my Dad dies we have a spare room . Always been family tradition Guests welcome and get well fed and looked after . They are however expected to be part of the workforce and join me on the farm. This forum is my escape from dealing with Climate change and other problems on farm Daily- or it was till people insisted on talking politics.( how would you go if you lost a years wages , had increased expenses to keep your job , and faced daily stress of Drought , Hailstorms etc? Maybe you should be grateful for your own backyard and the freedom to do what you love doing rather than just ignorantly bagging out people whose lifestyle you dont understand.


PS Your football posts are great . Your general sense of humour and relating of incidents is fantastic , and Ive always admired you and thought you a great bloke. Still do but Why did you have to go and post political shite ? At least when Quigs does it he has the grace to acknowledge its political.

Far out brother I wish this forum had a carbon tax equivalent on words.