Scoring system

[antonius]

Sorry thought I was editing this post, when in fact I re-posted it after changing it because I hit the quote button (Hope you understand that drivell! LOL.) The edited post is below this.

 

[antonius]

I'm not a facts and figures man, I like the author to demonstrate that they are using their own ideas.

Surely if you don't have facts and figures (facts, at least), your post is just a ramble??

Thierry, I think you misunderstood me, I don't want to go backwards and forwards with this, so I'll try and explain further. I was trying to give an insight as to how I look at posts. Facts and figures are fine in the context of the article, (ie:- to back up a theory etc) Your recent post had the right mix of facts and figures to back your ideas. What I was getting is an article that is purely full of facts and figures, same as player profiles, they need a bit of the unusual in them to make them interesting, nobody (well me anyway) wants to read a page full of stats, that's what I was getting at.

 

[Anonymous]

Thierre, perhaps I've missed something but facts and figures aren't neccessary for a good post and absence won't mean it's a ramble. I’ve had many a post do well with just a storyline about culture and ideas, and IMO thgese were good posts but which had no facts or figures whatsoever.Unfortunately I’ve also had a “faux history” that invented 'facts' (it was presented as history but was outlandish enough to be recognised) but then admitted it never happened. I got 0 for that and was bitterly dissappointed.

I think we're on the same wavelegth but facts and figures certainly aren't neccessary.
Goz

Are you really sure that they didn't have any "facts" in them?? I appreciate that certain types of posts don't need any facts at all, but think about the definition of the word fact. Surely if you were doing an analytical post, or discussing an idea, you would at least refer to something that has actually happened (a fact?)

But really this is a fairly pointless discussion as I am well aware that me, you, and antonius all pretty much agree.

 

[gorilla]

Yeah, pretty pointless, and that’s a fact. ;-)

 

[Anonymous]

Looks like an exercise in semantics Thierry. :lol:

Why because we have rules already that define the game – let talent and variance in posting and scoring rule. It’s a game, give it variety, and chance and skill. As long as each referee is consistent in each game and throughout the season then it’s like the real thing.

I have to agree and imo, this is the crux of the issue. The rules are there and after that, its fair game and up to the referee.

There will always be some folks who feel a tad disappointed but its how we carry ourselves afterwards which counts the most.

 

[Raider_69]

Personally i dont see a real issue with the current system
i mean the marking is generally consistant and if an odd ball dont like it, stiff shit IMHO
I mean at every stage a team/player may feel a bit shafted but shit its a game, you get over it in 5 minutes...

its a good idea Ibeme

 

[The Backpacker]

I personally don't like the idea of a structured scoring system.What needs to be remembered is that the old comp went along those lines and it caused more arguments than it solved. I'm pretty comfortable with the way I do it, and am happy to elaborate on it...

...As Salivor said there are a lot that are around average, and the odd ones stand out. I tend to like original thought,(I'm not into player profiles, or match reports too much only if they are used in the general context of the article) I like some humour, and sometimes that can score well with me.... ...Overall I like a bit of humour, originality, and a free flowing read.

As any refereeing, structured system or not, is open to interpretation, it won't eliminate the human viewpoint involved in this game and, realistically, will not change the refereeing all that much.

I basically agree with what Tony has written above and it seems we mark in a similar way. I want to add that bad spelling and grammar will score lower with me as I find it difficult to follow an essay that is full of the mistakes. I will also give points for a well researched essay - I figure if someone has taken the time to do the research, it should be taken into consideration but, a whole lot of facts without opinion will score lower than the facts mixed with personal opinion and a well researched essay is only as good as the way it is structured when posted.

I do have to say that I am getting sick and tired of the comments regarding 0.1 points differentials. I mark the essays blind. Copy them to word without collecting the name or team that belongs to the essay (obviously, this falls down when a poster uses their name in their title or essay but, like with Azkarto's (I think it was Azkarto last round), I removed that when I copied it and with my bad memory, I had no idea who had written it by marking time) and then mark them, giving them the mark that I think they deserve. I have no idea of the outcome until I match the articles to the names. The fact that games end up with a 0.1 differential reflects the similar quality of the articles rather than anything else. The comments about the 0.1 differentials have been coming hard and fast and with some innuendo that refs are doing this on purpose - I just want to make it clear that it's purely coincidental, one of lifes little idiosyncracies. Get over it.

Anyway, I'm more than happy to have a locked thread where refs can write a blurb about what they are looking for in an essay. However, no matter what happens, there will always be people who think their essay is better than what a ref has interpreted it to be so. Realistically, it's a no-win situation.

 

[Mr Angry]

Angry Algorithm Applied

Using the method of numbering from 10 to 1 in order to score
Here are the results of the first 3 rounds

the theory, highest score get 10, next highest 9 etc.

10
=9
=9
7
6
=5
=5
=5
2
1

You have the real score then next to it an AAA score:

I am still happy with the status quo, but wanted to apply the math anyway.

Round 01 (2004) - Rhinos v Panthers

Panthers
Big Mick
Score: 8.3 AAA: 3
KingaroyRedant
Score: 8.6 AAA: 7
Brentwebbsno1fan
Score: 7.9 AAA: 2
Moonfire
Score: 8.7 AAA: 9
Azkarto
Score: 8.7 AAA: 9
Panthers: 42.2 AAA: 30

Rhinos
ParraMatt
Score:7.9 AAA: 2
Jus182
Score: 8.4 AAA: 4
Bomber
Score: 8.6 AAA: 7
Yakstorm
Score: 8.8 AAA: 10
Jimbo
Score: 8.6 AAA: 7
Rhinos: 42.3 AAA: 30
Rhinos 42.3 df Panthers 42.2

AAA: Rhinos 30 draw Panthers 30

Round 01 (2004) - Pirates v Eels

Parra Eels
9King
Score: 7.7 AAA: 2
DVDHunter
Score: 8.4 AAA: 9
Eels2win
Score: 8.1 AAA: 6
Mr Parra Eels
Score: 7.7 AAA: 2
Louis Lambert
Score: 8.2 AAA: 7
Total: 40.1 AAA: 26

Pirates

MrCharisma
Score: 8.1 AAA: 6
Anastabation
Score: 8.3 AAA: 8
Lord Reynoldson
Score: 8.1 AAA: 6
Thierry Henry
Score: 8.5 AAA: 10
Nibbs
Score: 7.9 AAA: 3
Total: 40.9 AAA: 33
Pirates 40.9 def Parra Eels 40.1

AAA: Pirates 33 def Parra 26

Round 01 (2004) - Lions v Souths

LIONS
Evilgrowler
Score 8.3 AAA: 5
E.A.
Score 8.3 AAA: 5
Parra-Panther
Score 8.5 AAA: 8
Roosterboy60
Score 8.0 AAA: 1
Zef Lions
Score 8.5 AAA: 8
Lions Total 41.6 AAA: 27

SOUTHS

Red Dragon
Score 8.6 AAA: 9
Olympic Park
Score 8.3 AAA: 5
Dogs Of War
Score 8.2 AAA: 2
Bunny Boy
Score 8.4 AAA: 6
skeepe
Score 9.0 AAA: 10
Souths Total 42.5 AAA: 32
Souths 42.5 defeated the Lions 41.6

AAA: Souths 32 def Lions 27

Round 01 (2004) - Sharks v Easts

EASTS

Melon…
Score 8.8 AAA: 10
Rooster cogburn
Score 8.0 AAA: 4
Penelope Pittstop
Score 8.2 AAA: 8
Big Poppa Pump
Score 8.0 AAA: 4
Supermario
Score 8.0 AAA: 4
Easts Total: 41 AAA: 30

SHARKS

Mr Angry
Score 8.2 AAA: 8
El Garbo
Score 8.0 AAA: 4
Genius Freak
Score 8.2 AAA: 8
El Coconuto
Score 8.3 AAA: 9
Salmon
Score 8.1 AAA: 5
Sharks Total: 40.8 AAA: 34
Easts 41 defeated the Sharks 40.8

AAA:Sharks 34 Def Easts 30


Round 02 (2004) Newtown v Pirates

Newtown

Willow
Score 8.3 AAA: 6
Moffo
Score 8.5 AAA: 9
Hoggy
Score 8.2 AAA: 3
frank
Score 9.1 AAA: 10
Rex
Score 8.4 AAA: 7
Newtown Total 42.5 AAA: 35


Pirates

Broncoman
Score 8.2 AAA: 3
Thierry Henry
Score 8.3 AAA: 6
Nibbs
Score 8.5 AAA: 9
Anastabation
Score 8.3 AAA: 6
half
Score 8.0 AAA: 1
Pirates Total 41.3 AAA: 25
Newtown 42.5 defeated the Pirates 41.3

AAA: Newtown 35 def Pirates 25

Round 02 (2004) Panthers v Souths

Panthers

Paul-The-Cowboy
Score: 8.3 AAA: 7
BrentWeb’sno.1fan
Score: 8.0 AAA: 2
League Nut
Score: 8.5 AAA: 10
Iddylion
Score: 8.3 AAA: 7
Big Mick
Score: 8.1 AAA: 3

Panthers: 41.2 AAA: 29

Souths

RedDragon
Score: 8.0 AAA: 2
Terracesider
Score: 8.4 AAA: 9
Seano
Score: 8.4 AAA: 9
Skeepe
Score: 8.3 AAA: 7
Robster
Score: 8.2 AAA: 4
Souths: 41.3 AAA: 31
Souths 41.3 defeat Panthers 41.2

AAA: Souths 31 def Panthers 29

Round 02 (2004) Lions v Sharks

Lions

PK
Score: 8.1 AAA: 4
Whoateallthepies
Score: 8.3 AAA: 6
Mr Rock
Score: 8.3 AAA: 6
Jed
Score: 8.4 AAA: 7
EA
Score: 8.8 AAA: 10
Lions: 41.9 AAA:33

Sharks

El Garbo
Score: 8.5 AAA: 8
Tamazoid
Score: 8.1 AAA: 4
Genius Freak
Score: 8.7 AAA: 9
Sharks: 25.3 AAA: 21
Lions: 41.9 d Sharks: 25.3

AAA: Lions 33 def Sharks 21

Round 02 (2004) Rhinos v Easts

EASTS

Raider_69
Score 8.0 AAA: 6
Fat mike
Score 7.9 AAA: 4
Chriswalkerbush
Score 7.9 AAA: 4
MOjO
Score 7.9 AAA: 4
…Morticia
Score 8.7 AAA: 10
Easts Total: 40.4 AAA: 28

RHINOS

Ibeme
Score 8.1 AAA: 7
Hybrid_Tiger
Score 7.9 AAA: 4
Gobbso
Score 8.3 AAA: 9
Miccle
Score 8.0 AAA: 6
Jeffles
Score 8.3 AAA: 9
Rhinos Total: 40.6 AAA: 35
Rhinos 40.6 defeated Easts 40.4

AAA: Rhinos 35 def Easts 28


Round 03 (2004) Sharks v Rhinos

SHARKS

McSharkie
Score 8.1 AAA: 2
Salmon
Score 8.5 AAA: 9
Mr Angry
Score 8.3 AAA: 6
El Coconuto
Score 8.5 AAA: 9
Genius Freak
Score 8.3 AAA: 6
Sharks Total: 41.7 AAA: 32

RHINOS

ParraMatt
Score 8.1 AAA: 2
Ibeme
Score 8.6 AAA: 10
Yakstorm
Score 8.5 AAA: 9
In-goal
Score 8.3 AAA: 6
Jimbo
Score 8.2 AAA: 3
Rhinos Total: 41.7 AAA: 30
Sharks 41.7 drew Rhinos 41.7

AAA: Sharks 32 Def Rhinos 30

Round 03 (2004) Newtown v Panthers

Newtown

Willow
Score: 8.7 AAA: 9
Wal
Score: 8.2 AAA: 1
Chook
Score: 8.4 AAA: 4
Hass
Score: 8.6 AAA: 6
Godz Illa
Score: 8.7 AAA: 9
Newtown: 42.6 AAA: 29


Panthers

Kingaroy Redant
Score: 8.6 AAA: 6
League Nut
Score: 8.3 AAA: 2
Paul the Cowboy
Score: 8.7 AAA: 9
Azkarto
Score: 8.9 AAA: 10
Moonfire
Score: 8.4 AAA: 4
Panthers: 42.9 AAA: 31
Penrith Panthers 42.9 d Newtown Bluebags 42.6

AAA: Panther 31 def Newtown 29

Round 03 (2004) Pirates v Lions

Lions

EA
Score 9.1 AAA: 9
parra_panther
Score 8.3 AAA: 5
Whoateallthepies.
Score 8.3 AAA: 5
Evilgrowler
Score 8.4 AAA: 7
Lisa13
Score 8.2 AAA: 3
Lions Total 42.3 AAA: 29

Pirates Scores

Nibbs
Score 8.4 AAA: 7
Thierry Henry
Score 9.2 AAA: 10
MrCharisma
Score 8.2 AAA: 3
half
Score 8.7 AAA: 8
Pirates Total 34.5 AAA: 28
Lions defeated the Pirates 42.3 – 34.5


AAA: Lions 29 def Priates 28

Round 03 (2004) Easts v Eels

Easts

Melon
Score: 9.1 AAA: 10
Bubbles
Score: 8.5 AAA: 6
roosterspremiers2002
Score: 8.3 AAA: 4
Chriswalkerbush
Score: 8.8 AAA: 7
Penelope Pittstop
Score: 9.0 AAA: 9
TOTAL: 43.7 AAA: 36

Eels

Goleel
Score: 8.9 AAA: 8
Parra Fan
Score: 7.8 AAA: 3
Colonel Eel
Score: 8.5 AAA: 6
Redback71
Score: 7.0 AAA: 2
TOTAL: 32.2 AAA: 19
Easts 43.7 defeat Eels 32.2

AAA: Easts 36 def Eels 19

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[Azkatro]

I think there are a lot of merits in that scoring system. Not sure how everybody else feels, though.

 

[ParraMatt]

I think it is stupid. Keep it the way it is

 

[The Backpacker]

Personally, I would prefer to keep the scoring system the way it is. I, for one, don't have the time, nor the inclination to mark a game, give it a score and then go through it again and give it another mark. My brain is old and tired. I'm grumpy, you get the picture. :lol:

 

[Mr Angry]

Firstly, I was not suggesting we use this system for scoring this season. That would be silly - scoring must stay the same for the season - that is the only fair way.
Secondly, I am not suggesting we use it at all. I was merely hypostasizing an alternative. Some had voiced some concerns with the current system, I showed an alternative.
Some have already stated their opinion and they are entitled to it.
Thirdly BP, the idea would be just to rate from 10 to 1 the order in which the essays ranked - the old scoring system would not be used at all. I used the existing scores as an example to rank them.
There are other variables that could be used in this system also. Such as a score of 11 for really outstanding work, to be used at the discretion of the ref.

That said, I am happy with the status quo and I am happy to shut it on the subject, if it is not helping. I was just discussing the matter.

 

[Anonymous]

Its all good Mr Angry and thanks for your suggestion. I kind of liked it but I prefer to keep things the way they are. The current system has served us well.
Things like rep matches and trial matches will give us opportunities to experiment with different ideas... so you never know...
And despite what ParraMatt, our more enlightened forummer, may say, there's nothing stupid in making a contribution.
lol, I'm sure you were cut to bits. :lol:

 

[Mr Angry]

Cheers Willow, no problemo here.

 

[antonius]

And despite what ParraMatt, our more enlightened forummer, may say, there's nothing stupid in making a contribution.
lol, I'm sure you were cut to bits. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Don't you just love this place. There's always a little humor to be found. 8)

 

[The Backpacker]

Mr Angry, a 10 - 1 system was discussed at the beginning of the season and it was thought that the persons getting 2's and 1's might soon find their interest in the sevens wanes. Maybe I'm just looking for excuses as I like the present system. :lol:

 

[ParraMatt]

Sorry Mr Angry, I didn't mean to put your suggestion down, I was a bit hard on what I said, Basically I just meant I thought the idea wasn't any better then the current.

 

[Mr Angry]

Indeed, BP.
No system is perfect, it has its own drawbacks.
No problem Parramatt, you can be honest with me, I prefer it.
And thanks Azkatro for your opinion too.
I not convinced it is better myself, just a different method, with its own inherit strengths and weaknesses.
If nothing else it shows the current system works pretty darn well.

 

[The Backpacker]

If nothing else it shows the current system works pretty darn well.

:lol:

If we don't discuss these ideas and encourage them, we'd end up missing the beneficial ones.

 

[Seano]

I really think the idea of a "points for" system is not a good idea.

Why is that? because it will stifle the individualism of the game. Every poster has a different style of writing and I think it would be unfair to issue points depending on how well you did in certain "categories".

Thats a definate no.