Scotland boss resigns

[Stallion]

The more I think about it the more I believe Scotland are bracing for the imminent downgrade in membership status (therefore loss of funding), hence why they had to part ways with McCormack.

Not really aware of the status levels required to attain rugby league funding so Im all ears and eyes . Please note other codes have established institutions doing their development work. This is a massive advantage for codes like union in comparison to rugby league. I don't think the general public are aware of this disparity at-large. And it matters and makes a huge difference.

 

[langpark]

Yes but we all know RL is nowhere near the other codes when it comes to money and infrastructure, and it's not something that can be achieved overnight.


Here is the membership criteria:

OBSERVER
The Board of the RLIF may at its discretion admit a country to Observer status based upon a completed application which will include the following:
1. Constitution correctly signed and approved.
2. Bank Account with at least two dual-signatories drawn from the Board of the applicant.
3. A list of the interested parties together with contact details, position within the organisation and a brief biography of the Board Members.
4. A not for profit legal entity established in the country of the applicant organisation.
5. Provision of founding minutes that clearly define founding members, in line with the constitution, and governing Board elections.
6. A Development Plan for the following 12 month period.

AFFILIATE MEMBER
1. An organisation applying for Affiliate Membership must meet all Observer criteria.
2. Complete and submit to the RLIF annual accounts for at least 12 months prior to application.
3. Conduct regular 13-a-side rugby league Competitions with:
a) Minimum 4 senior teams
b) Player registration system
4. Evidence that a Youth or Junior Development Programme is in place.
5. A registered office and admin.
6. Have an approved international programme at any eligible level.
7. Operate coach and match official education via an RLIF approved scheme, and led by nominated and qualified technical managers.

FULL MEMBER
1. An organisation applying for Full Membership must meet all Affiliate Member criteria.
2. Complete and submit to the RLIF annual accounts for at least 24-months prior to application.
3. Publish and lodge with the RLIF annual reports for at least two years prior to application.
4. Be able to demonstrate the financial stability of the organisation.
5. Conduct regular rugby league competitions within the country – competition is defined as a 13-a-side league competition played under International Laws of rugby league over a minimum of a 10-week period.
a) Minimum 8 open age teams each playing a minimum of 6 regular season matches, not including play-offs
b) Minimum 4 open age reserve division teams each playing a minimum of 3 regular season matches, not including play-offs
c) Minimum six-team junior club (or school) competition with each team playing a minimum of four regular season matches, not including play-offs. The age range of the competition may be anything from U14 to U18, with the six named teams all being of the same age category.
d) At least 500 registered participants (players, coaches and match officials)
6. Approved international programme at more than one level which must include full international and may in addition include “A” international, student, junior (Under 18 or younger) and wheelchair. All at Male or Female.
7. Members may be able to source revenue from the above activity by way of fees. This can be extended to include registration fees, sponsorship, government grants, gate and canteen receipts and RLIF grants where applicable.
8. An approved Development Plan, correctly resourced with annual reports lodged with the RLIF.
9. Have a designated, active media manager and be able to show a functioning media operation

 

[Stallion]

Yes but we all know RL is nowhere near the other codes when it comes to money and infrastructure, and it's not something that can be achieved overnight.


Here is the membership criteria:

OBSERVER
The Board of the RLIF may at its discretion admit a country to Observer status based upon a completed application which will include the following:
1. Constitution correctly signed and approved.
2. Bank Account with at least two dual-signatories drawn from the Board of the applicant.
3. A list of the interested parties together with contact details, position within the organisation and a brief biography of the Board Members.
4. A not for profit legal entity established in the country of the applicant organisation.
5. Provision of founding minutes that clearly define founding members, in line with the constitution, and governing Board elections.
6. A Development Plan for the following 12 month period.

AFFILIATE MEMBER
1. An organisation applying for Affiliate Membership must meet all Observer criteria.
2. Complete and submit to the RLIF annual accounts for at least 12 months prior to application.
3. Conduct regular 13-a-side rugby league Competitions with:
a) Minimum 4 senior teams
b) Player registration system
4. Evidence that a Youth or Junior Development Programme is in place.
5. A registered office and admin.
6. Have an approved international programme at any eligible level.
7. Operate coach and match official education via an RLIF approved scheme, and led by nominated and qualified technical managers.

FULL MEMBER
1. An organisation applying for Full Membership must meet all Affiliate Member criteria.
2. Complete and submit to the RLIF annual accounts for at least 24-months prior to application.
3. Publish and lodge with the RLIF annual reports for at least two years prior to application.
4. Be able to demonstrate the financial stability of the organisation.
5. Conduct regular rugby league competitions within the country – competition is defined as a 13-a-side league competition played under International Laws of rugby league over a minimum of a 10-week period.
a) Minimum 8 open age teams each playing a minimum of 6 regular season matches, not including play-offs
b) Minimum 4 open age reserve division teams each playing a minimum of 3 regular season matches, not including play-offs
c) Minimum six-team junior club (or school) competition with each team playing a minimum of four regular season matches, not including play-offs. The age range of the competition may be anything from U14 to U18, with the six named teams all being of the same age category.
d) At least 500 registered participants (players, coaches and match officials)
6. Approved international programme at more than one level which must include full international and may in addition include “A” international, student, junior (Under 18 or younger) and wheelchair. All at Male or Female.
7. Members may be able to source revenue from the above activity by way of fees. This can be extended to include registration fees, sponsorship, government grants, gate and canteen receipts and RLIF grants where applicable.
8. An approved Development Plan, correctly resourced with annual reports lodged with the RLIF.
9. Have a designated, active media manager and be able to show a functioning media operation

Thanks. Wondering if the rugby league can engage development officers to assist in nurturing and supporting these leagues? Along with liaising with the designated media officer? Linking the media role with development is a proactive way to go. Growth was achieved at my University club when yours truly got the public relations role and in three years the club grew from one and a half teams to approaching 4 teams. Over this period the club became more visible and was overtaking the union club which had establishment based support. My prior semi professional football experience was used to implement proactive and a part professional look to this club which may have improved its numbers. A very enjoyable and satisfying time!

 

[Pommy]

I think it's not been given a fair go! Its happened elsewhere in the world so Scotland is just another example.

Any evidence of this? Super league is broadcast on tv in the nation, major population centres are relatively close to league heartlands.
What makes you say they aren’t getting a fair go? The fact they are still a full member suggests they are getting more than a fair go to me.

They don’t seem to be disadvantaged anymore than wales are yet wales have several teams in the RFL system, this is despite their national sport being union. That’s not a problem Scotland faces.

It seems like Scotland’s past league activity was based in Aberdeen a place with a large English community due to the offshore work.

 

[Stallion]

Any evidence of this? Super league is broadcast on tv in the nation, major population centres are relatively close to league heartlands.
What makes you say they aren’t getting a fair go? The fact they are still a full member suggests they are getting more than a fair go to me.

They don’t seem to be disadvantaged anymore than wales are yet wales have several teams in the RFL system, this is despite their national sport being union. That’s not a problem Scotland faces.

Evidence is the lack of progress! Other codes have establishment advantages like school presence that rugby league doesn't have. Its clear the factors allowing the great code of rugby league to sprout and grow are not available for rugby league compared to other places. Pretty obvious I would suggest?

 

[Pommy]

Evidence is the lack of progress! Other codes have establishment advantages like school presence that rugby league doesn't have. Its clear the factors allowing the great code of rugby league to sprout and grow are not available for rugby league compared to other places. Pretty obvious I would suggest?

Or Scottish people just don’t like league?
If all those hindered of thousands of scots who have sky sports at home liked the game then perhaps schools would sprout support.
The fact is a lot of Scottish people like football and fighting over sectarian disagreements at football matches.
You still can’t say how the sport isn’t getting a fair go in Scotland, who is stopping this fair go?

 

[Stallion]

Or Scottish people just don’t like league?
If all those hindered of thousands of scots who have sky sports at home liked the game then perhaps schools would sprout support.
The fact is a lot of Scottish people like football and fighting over sectarian disagreements at football matches.
You still can’t say how the sport isn’t getting a fair go in Scotland, who is stopping this fair go?

You seem to be stating that the Scottish in particular dont like rugby league? I know a great number of people with Scottish ancestry that have/ are playing and loving rugby league. I would suggest that this is a locality based issue with a set against the code of rugby league. That's my take on it and its logical. A tidy bit more logical than a certain race has a dislike of rugby league! Its (RL)basically not been given a fair go! For instance the continuing resistance of allowing rugby league to be played in elite private schools is idealogical. Nothing to do with how good or bad the sport is. It's a set against a particular code promoted mostly by another code (RU) that has a fear of rugby league in being a superior version of rugby. But let's not get the secret out there because our cushy fake sporting place will be lost to a more deserving code. That's the way I see it. Don't get me wrong their are plenty of good rugby union and neutral people whom are not aware of this however when informed some are amazed, shocked or turn a blind eye. It's reality but I hope true sporting justice will one day be seen.

 

[Pommy]

You seem to be stating that the Scottish in particular dont like rugby league? I know a great number of people with Scottish ancestry that have/ are playing and loving rugby league. I would suggest that this is a locality based issue with a set against the code of rugby league. That's my take on it and its logical. A tidy bit more logical than a certain race has a dislike of rugby league! Its (RL)basically not been given a fair go! For instance the continuing resistance of allowing rugby league to be played in elite private schools is idealogical. Nothing to do with how good or bad the sport is. It's a set against a particular code promoted mostly by another code (RU) that has a fear of rugby league in being a superior version of rugby. But let's not get the secret out there because our cushy fake sporting place will be lost to a more deserving code. That's the way I see it. Don't get me wrong their are plenty of good rugby union and neutral people whom are not aware of this however when informed some are amazed, shocked or turn a blind eye. It's reality but I hope true sporting justice will one day be seen.

Ok so you know some Ozzie’s who like league and that trumps the fact I’ve actually lived in Scotland for a good few years?
Not sure what race has to do with it, im part Scottish myself and Scotland had a team made up of people with Scottish backgrounds. It doesn’t change the point that people on Scotland just don’t care. Australians for the most part share the same race as the people of the UK yet don’t care for football. African Americans share their race with West Indians yet don’t care for cricket.

I don’t know why you bang on about Union being played in private schools so much when the game prices itself on being a working mans game anyway, Scotland is very much a working man country. They have a lot of famous private schools but a lot of the students will be English. Guess what state schools in Scotland don’t play league either and I bet the viewing figures are awful for the super league.

Sport in Scotland in general seems to be on its arse, Scotland used to produce great footballers in good numbers, today their national team has a lot of English accents in it. It’s a shame but league just isn’t something that interests the majority.

 

[Stallion]

Ok so you know some Ozzie’s who like league and that trumps the fact I’ve actually lived in Scotland for a good few years?
Not sure what race has to do with it, im part Scottish myself and Scotland had a team made up of people with Scottish backgrounds. It doesn’t change the point that people on Scotland just don’t care. Australians for the most part share the same race as the people of the UK yet don’t care for football. African Americans share their race with West Indians yet don’t care for cricket.

I don’t know why you bang on about Union being played in private schools so much when the game prices itself on being a working mans game anyway, Scotland is very much a working man country. They have a lot of famous private schools but a lot of the students will be English. Guess what state schools in Scotland don’t play league either and I bet the viewing figures are awful for the super league.

Sport in Scotland in general seems to be on its arse, Scotland used to produce great footballers in good numbers, today their national team has a lot of English accents in it. It’s a shame but league just isn’t something that interests the majority.

A couple of major inaccuracies. Aussies have a high regard for the EPL! Big time! So I wouldn't suggest that line of thought correct by any means. We are discussing a particular country not liking a certain code of football. This can be attributed to local barriers and ideological bias. Their are reasons for the dislike. If you don't look at them and address them then nothing will change. Do you think rugbyleague is a great sport?!

 

[Pommy]

A couple of major inaccuracies. Aussies have a high regard for the EPL! Big time! So I wouldn't suggest that line of thought correct by any means. We are discussing a particular country not liking a certain code of football. This can be attributed to local barriers and ideological bias. Do you think rugbyleague is a great sport?!

Yes I do. Americans think NFL is great a view I or most of the world share however.

Liking a sport doesn’t mean everyone else should or that the sport isn’t getting a fair go elsewhere.

 

[Stallion]

Yes I do. Americans think NFL is great a view I or most of the world share however.

Liking a sport doesn’t mean everyone else should or that the sport isn’t getting a fair go elsewhere.

That's not say you cannot discount that possibility. Believe me, I have seen rugby league not allowed in various places in Australia when their is a demand for it. For instance, Laurie Daley recently complained that their was no opportunity for his son to play rugby league at his high school. This is in Sydney! Are you also aware that their is a petition addressing the non recognition of rugby league as a sport by the international sports body GSAIF? All these things matter in the take up of a sport. If the conditions or infrastructure are against the sport it doesn't happen.
Your point about gridiron is not relevant. This sport requires alot of time, manpower, and expensive gear to play. When comparing that sport to other football codes it's obvious gridiron has its issues. I would also point out that where rugby union or indeed soccer is accepted then rugby league has a market. Rugby league is being taken up in many parts of the world purely because it is an inclusive body contact game . These areas are allowing it to be played and grow. This is clearly not occuring in Scotland. Simple as that.

 

[Pommy]

Thats not say you cannot discount that possibility. Believe me I have seen rugby league not allowed in various places in Australia when their is a demand for it. For instance, Laurie Daley recently complained that their was no opportunity for his son to play rugby league at his high school. This is in Sydney! Are you also aware that their is a petition addressing the non recognition of rugby league as a sport by the international sports body GSAIF? All these things matter in the take up of a sport. If the conditions or infrastructure are against the sport it doesn't happen. Simple as that.

Does Laurie’s son go to school in a Sydney in scotland? If not I’m not sure what relevance it has to RL not having a fair go in Scotland.

I am aware of the petition and I signed it. Although it seems the sport hasn’t met the required standard yet hence the none recognition. It’s not a conspiracy.

 

[roughyedspud]

Do you think RL gets a fair crack in Scotland pommy?

 

[Pommy]

Do you think RL gets a fair crack in Scotland pommy?

I think sports create their own crack. Union is growing in Scotland because union have put the work in. League have done nothing and the national side have had more than a fair crack. Yet stallion thinks league has some god given right to greatness just because.
Scotland has a heap of advantages over countries like Serbia, Jamaica or the Ukraine. If league wanted a team in Scotland it could happen very easily but the demand just doesn’t seem to be there.

 

[roughyedspud]

Is union growing in Scotland?

They've only got 2 pro clubs and both of them are owned by the SRU.

 

[Pommy]

Is union growing in Scotland?

They've only got 2 pro clubs and both of them are owned by the SRU.

Well it certainly seemed to be gaining in popularity althought it has been a few years since I was there. It’s certainly in a better state than league.
I know the second time I lived in Scotland people were certainly more interested in the 6 nations than the first time although granted it is based on very small examples.

Do you think league isn’t getting a fair go? If not have you any reasons rather than stallions just because?

 

[deluded pom?]

Is union growing in Scotland?

They've only got 2 pro clubs and both of them are owned by the SRU.

And check out how many heritage/resident players the Scotland national team selects. This is a nation with more than 150 years of playing the sport. Soccer is, and always will be, king in Scotland. The thing killing the Scotland soccer team is the same thing that’s killing England’s. The EPL. When I was a kid every top flight English team had at least a couple of Jocks in the starting eleven. You’d struggle to find a couple of Jocks in the whole EPL nowadays. The EPL clubs don’t need to develop players in the way they once did. They have the rest of the world to do that for them.

 

[roughyedspud]

Well it certainly seemed to be gaining in popularity althought it has been a few years since I was there. It’s certainly in a better state than league.
I know the second time I lived in Scotland people were certainly more interested in the 6 nations than the first time although granted it is based on very small examples.

Do you think league isn’t getting a fair go? If not have you any reasons rather than stallions just because?

I didn't wanna pick sides in this little spat...but I know,having spoke to a couple of Scottish RL clubs last season,that they don't get a fair crack,while I agree with you that we don't have a god given right,it's another thing to have one arm tied behind our backs...

A majority of the "league" players in the Scottish system are also union players..and when push comes to shove,the union clubs will twist the arms of the players...

It's a massive up hill battle for league to gain a foothold in Scotland..

Union barely has a foothold...and we're fighting for 1% of that...if that

So it's all well and good saying Scotland RL needs to do this and needs to do that...but there's barely the talent pool to support it...and no amount of money or support from the RFL,RLEF or RLIF will change that......unless I win the euro millions lottery and centrally fund it lol

 

[Stallion]

Well it certainly seemed to be gaining in popularity althought it has been a few years since I was there. It’s certainly in a better state than league.
I know the second time I lived in Scotland people were certainly more interested in the 6 nations than the first time although granted it is based on very small examples.

Do you think league isn’t getting a fair go? If not have you any reasons rather than stallions just because?

Its not just because! The set up is not geares toward rugby league. For instance if rugby league had access to schools it would be a different scenario. But it doesn't!

 

[Stallion]

I didn't wanna pick sides in this little spat...but I know,having spoke to a couple of Scottish RL clubs last season,that they don't get a fair crack,while I agree with you that we don't have a god given right,it's another thing to have one arm tied behind our backs...

A majority of the "league" players in the Scottish system are also union players..and when push comes to shove,the union clubs will twist the arms of the players...

It's a massive up hill battle for league to gain a foothold in Scotland..

Union barely has a foothold...and we're fighting for 1% of that...if that

So it's all well and good saying Scotland RL needs to do this and needs to do that...but there's barely the talent pool to support it...and no amount of money or support from the RFL,RLEF or RLIF will change that......unless I win the euro millions lottery and centrally fund it lol

Thank you for informing of the sutuation in Scotland. That is clear fact . The "tied behind the back" and "when push comes to shove " statements show a very real example of what's been happening in Scotland. A similar story was told by some Aussies in Ireland five years ago. The Irish union official warned these amateur players " You can play anything you like in the off season except for rugby league."