Scott Ella

[mono_mal]

the club didnt just find money for renovations.
i understand they are still paying off these renovations which they undertook before the pokie tax was proposed.
hence creating a huge problem next year financially and the reason why Guildford cant continue to field a Jim Beam Cup side.
Egan is being very deceptive in his presentation of 'facts' and the media is also excluding all details.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

the club didnt just find money for renovations.
i understand they are still paying off these renovations which they undertook before the pokie tax was proposed.
hence creating a huge problem next year financially and the reason why Guildford cant continue to field a Jim Beam Cup side.
Egan is being very deceptive in his presentation of 'facts' and the media is also excluding all details.

Your right!!

The renovations have been going on for a while....well before the Tax was proposed & implemented.

The only way that the club now can pay the back the loan to the bank for the renovations & the tax increase is to cut the Guilford side out of the competition!

Another bogus Labour f@#k up!!

 

[bartman]

Tow sides to evry story...

Clubs and their media are being just as deceptive as deceptive as Egan in presentation of their 'facts'. You can't trust anyone when there is vested interests ($$$) at stake - politicians of either colour, or club directors.

How much money have clubs jointly put into the fighting fund ($$$) to pay some advertising company to "present" their case? More than the cost of a few football teams I'm sure! The advertising people get rich on members' money, while clubs are cutting community "services" (like footy teams) instead of cutting their existing operating profits or directors perks ($$$).

Both clubs and government are playing politics with people and its disgusting. Guildford can afford a JB Cup footy team, it's just they've chosen other priorities, and/or have been too greedy ($$$) in the planning of their expansions. Members of clubs can exercise their vote - not only at the State election, but also at Club Director elections.

 

[fish eel]

Exactly right Twizzle......people accuse the government of playing with the facts but the clubs are JUST as guilty.

It was interesting to read in the Parramatta Sun yesterday that St Marys Leagues Club have purchased One World Sport Bar on Church St. Now their charter is the same as other leagues clubs....supporting rugby league. They're refusing to say how much they paid for the bar, but it wouldnt have come cheap......and they are crying poor about the tax!

 

[Suitman]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet because I can't be bothered reading through all the posts, but I hope Parra aren't complaining about this tax.

It was quoted the other day in the Sydney Morning Herald that Parra have lost over 15 million on Parramatta Power.
There must be some money floating around somewhere in the top drawer of Denis' desk.

Suity

 

[PB]

Tow sides to evry story...

Clubs and their media are being just as deceptive as deceptive as Egan in presentation of their 'facts'. You can't trust anyone when there is vested interests ($$$) at stake - politicians of either colour, or club directors.

How much money have clubs jointly put into the fighting fund ($$$) to pay some advertising company to "present" their case? More than the cost of a few football teams I'm sure! The advertising people get rich on members' money, while clubs are cutting community "services" (like footy teams) instead of cutting their existing operating profits or directors perks ($$$).

I think Mr Singelton has carried alot of the costs for that. But your right you cant really trust anyone with vested intrest, be they politician or club director

 

[fish eel]

too righty suity, and i hear that if the power win the championship, and fifa reinstate the world club championship, which is on the cards, the leagues club may continue to support the power.

 

[Suitman]

Schnapper Boy,

Apparantly it is worth 6 million to make the World Club Championship.
At least we would re-coup some of our losses just by participating.

Suity

 

[fish eel]

yeah....I've herad that $6 million figure

I think that pot of gold was orginally a big part of the rationale behind the power venture....and I also think Denis had eyes on Asia, banking on Australian teams playing in the lucrative Asian Champions League, which is pretty well cashed up through tv rights.

At least he got a bit of cash for jacob burns, Mile Sterjovski and Brett Holman.

This game coming up against perth should be a cracker!!

 

[Suitman]

yeah....I've herad that $6 million figure

I think that pot of gold was orginally a big part of the rationale behind the power venture....and I also think Denis had eyes on Asia, banking on Australian teams playing in the lucrative Asian Champions League, which is pretty well cashed up through tv rights.

At least he got a bit of cash for jacob burns, Mile Sterjovski and Brett Holman.

This game coming up against perth should be a cracker!!

Flathead Man,

Yeh, the Perth game will be huge. It should certainly confirm our status in the League this year.
I was certainly glad that we had sold a few players to make some money, but at the same time, we would have been more successful WITH those players, so it is a bit of a catch 22.
Having said that, I think they have bought wisely this year and will certainly give the comp a shake.

Suity

 

[bartman]

Guildford have now withdrawn from the 2004 Jim Beam Cup due to the implementation of the new pokie tax so it doesnt look like The Blue and Gold Army will be making the trip to McCredie next year to support Boulous and the like unless they decide to play for Guildford on little money in the A-Grade competition which is highly unlikely.
The players will now be scattered amongst other clubs although i dont know whom Boulous will join.

From this week's local papers, it appears that Cabramatta and Mounties (Mt Pritchard) will be applying to have Jim Beam Cup teams for 2004. So look for Boulous and teammates to get a run with either of those clubs.

It kind of makes Guildford's arguement against the effects of the pokie tax look dodgy when teams down the road are happy to come up with an extra $300,000 to enter the same comp Guildford is crying poor about? The players would be right to feel bad about being used as a political pawn by the Guildford club!

 

[mono_mal]

Cabramatta have confirmed their participation in the Jim Beam Cup 2004 and recently undertook advertisments in big league for new players.
Mounties meanwhile are heavily rumoured though have not confirmed anything to my knowledge as of yet.
I cant see how this makes Guildfords argument dodgy.
Guildford just undertook extensive renovations, something which Cabra and Mounties have not, for the benefit of members before the tax was proposed. Therefore this tax was not budgeted for.
The government has chosen to force the taxes upon the club none the less and as a result The Owls had to withdraw from the Jim Beam Cup.
Fact is Guildfords admin is as much to blame as Egan, Carr and their tax but none the less its a big blow for Guildfords fans and players.
The Guildford players will most likely be spread amongst the Jim Beam Cup, the Carlton League(Illawarra) and the Southern comp(Camden, Thirlmere.......).
Some will stay on to play for Guildford in the A-Grade whilst others such as Aaron Milan will most likely return to France.
Whilst its unfair upon the players its also unfair to the fans who have been punished immesely through the loss of thier football team.

 

[bartman]

Guildford just undertook extensive renovations, something which Cabra and Mounties have not, for the benefit of members before the tax was proposed.

"For the benefit of members..." Hmmm. You'll have to convince me that extensive renovations which will take years to pay off are in the interests of members - not just in the interests of the club board to have more space to put pokies in, or otherwise turn an extra dollar or few. Sensible management doesn't always push for expansion that (allegedly) leaves less than a $300,000 annual float.

Fact is Guildfords admin is as much to blame as Egan, Carr and their tax but none the less its a big blow for Guildfords fans and players.

That was my original point. Other clubs try to look after their members in different way, like supporting football teams instead of concrete manufacturers. It was the Guildford admin's choice to withdraw their footy team, and it is them who fans and players should be angry at. The fact that Cabramatta is newly entering a team (even though it has to pay this new tax as well) suggests that Guildford admin is using politics to cover a decision that would have been made anyway? Footy is simply not as high a priority for Guildford admin as many (players and members included) would like.

Whilst its unfair upon the players its also unfair to the fans who have been punished immesely through the loss of thier football team.

No argument there! Far be it from me to make this worse than it is for loyal supporters, members, and players of the Guildford club like yourself. But perhaps you should change your sig to "save our team, fight the Guildford board"? Because to me they appear to be your real enemy in this case...

 

[mono_mal]

i wont be changing my signature as the tax was the straw that broke the camels back.
im sure if Guildford were to know the tax was come into being they would not have undertook such extensive renovations.
and i think the renovations were to the benefit of members. the club was renovated as well as extended for the comfort of members.
other clubs such as Wenty and Ryde-Eastwood have chosen to put profits into the purchase of homes in the local area, this being of no benefit to members what so ever.
that is how i mean it is to the benefit of members.
I will also not criticise the board as a whole as various members are rugby league orientated and voted for the re-admission of Guildford in 2004. They have shown commitment to rugby league and the Metro Cup/Jim Beam Cup for many years, this highlighted by being one of only three clubs to contest every competition from 1990.
We suffer though as unlike Wenty and Ryde-Eastwood we have less members on the board from the actual football club.
Cabra's readmission was always going to happen as they have always been highly rugby league orientated. Though to an extent where poaching of players is the norm in under 9's and their domination of the juniors is unfair. They also left the Metro Cup after 2001 following a dummy spit so their committment can also be questioned.
Mounties meanwhile are one of the most profitable clubs in NSW and i think would make more profit than a club such as parra leagues. The costs of a Jim Beam Cup team is little to them in the bigger scheme of things.

 

[bartman]

Yeah, fair enough. It's a shame that as a "Leagues Club" there's not a majority of league advocates on the club board, but only the members can solve that. I'm sorry to have not recognised the majority of directors that may have voted to continue the Jim Beam team despite the final result.

It's a big shame they are pulling out, and blaming the tax as a last straw. But when other clubs faced with the same tax imposition (or higher if its a bigger club?) are resurrecting their $300,000 teams (or starting them like Mounties), then it looks really bad for Guildford's priorities/argument against the tax imo. I'm sure most of the board now wished they hadn't approved so much expensive work without the money being in the bank already...


Anyway, it's just you and me tossing this around, so we can agree to disagree on the tax. But I think we both agree it's just a shame for fans and players that Guildford Owls won't be in the flagship Sydney comp from next year onwards?