Scott Hill update - SMH 6/7/06

[Suitman]

Just a thought. You look at house prices nowadays and you pick an area you like, peaceful, convenient, good transport connections and then you go looking for your dream house only to realize it is way beyond your financial means.

You think to yourself, I'm not going to pay that much to buy that house. It's not worth that much. I remember 5 years ago, it was only 60% of that value.

But in reality when you realize the market and economy has moved on, it is worth around that much give or take 10%.


This is what I believe is also happening to the player's salary. We say he's not worth that much and so drop out. But in reality, that is the going rate nowadays and other teams are willing to pay for them so the market is there.

Teams like Manly have probably realized that and will pay the best dollar for what they want. They have budgeted to spend that amount and so they will spend it. How it's allocated it's up to them.

It goes down to, pay a Simpson or a Hill $500K because we will have a higher chance of winning the title or no, that's too much, we'll try to make do with Zeb and Green. But it reduces our chance for the title.

We have the dosh, we are short of a 5/8th or Prop, I say go for at least 1 of the big names even if we are paying overs. For the remainder of the dosh, depending on performance, give out a bonus next year, pro-rata of course, Hindy the most, for number of games won and individual performances.

Unless we want to be stingy and keep the money to pay for pokies tax or something else.

That theory all makes sense until one of your current players watches someone else coming in who is being payed overs.
I mean, how would Hindy feel if Scott Hill was getting 150 k's more than him.
I just don't quite think that it can work that way if team stability is to be maintained.

Suity

 

[Stagger eel]

Good point especially with the salary cap going up next year. I think we may have been caught out with that factor. I know I have said previously you should never pay overs but what is overs now with the cap going up. The one guy on the market I would have probaly paid what he wanted was Roy Asotasi. One of the best yardage props in the game.

All that is left now is Nate Myles and Steve Simpson. I would offer them both what they wanted (to a certain level) and top up Fuifui,Hayne and Hindy's contract as they are the players that deserve more than than what they are currently getting (what ever that is).

5/8th may still be a problem area but I am warming to PJ playing there next year or Blake if he can step up

as well as the introduction of the Titens I have no doubt in the world that this has played against us, I had it confirmed to me by an official the other night.

 

[JOB 3:14]

Our name isnt even being mentioned with any of those players. Are we even in the hunt?

 

[T-BONE MCGRAW]

as well as the introduction of the Titens I have no doubt in the world that this has played against us, I had it confirmed to me by an official the other night.

But we had plenty of warning about the Titans. Does this appear to you that our management may have been disorganised? I really hope not as this would mean a few people should have to answer some questions(and I am mainly talking about our recruiting team not Fitzy)

 

[Stagger eel]

what people need to understand is that we needed to make some really tough choices on some blokes not regarded as long term investments at the club.

For the club to have Widders, McKinnon, Morris, Morrison in their books beyond 2007 meant that bloke like Taia, Cordoba, Hauraki, Inu, Hayne and Green would have to look else where for an opportunity to play first grade...with that in mind and the increase of the cap and a new side, the club would have to sacrifise a bit of short term success for the benefit in the long term.

 

[Stagger eel]

But we had plenty of warning about the Titans. Does this appear to you that our management may have been disorganised? I really hope not as this would mean a few people should have to answer some questions(and I am mainly talking about our recruiting team not Fitzy)

well the fact that we told our coach of 10 years in Novemeber that his contract wouldn't be renewed probably didn't help it's cause for the long term.

 

[yy_cheng]

That theory all makes sense until one of your current players watches someone else coming in who is being payed overs.
I mean, how would Hindy feel if Scott Hill was getting 150 k's more than him.
I just don't quite think that it can work that way if team stability is to be maintained.

Suity

Well, Hindy is highly regarded by the Management. Whether they consult him and discuss pay with him, I don't know.

To keep moral, you would probably say to Hindy and Caylo, look, we really need a specialist, experienced 5/8th, we are looking at Hill, however, he is demanding $500K. How would you feel if we went after him?

I am sure Hindy would say, if he does the job then go for it.

That's why I talked about the bonus to even it out. However, it should only be paid on performance.

I don't think you can cap the amount to your highest paid player when his contract was signed under different market conditions.

Yes, upgrade Hindy's contract if we (theoretically) decide to pursue Hill and we have the spare dosh.

But look at last year. We signed Morro, Tahu, Riddell all on big money.

I'm sure someone might have been peeved, as an example, Wagon, PJ, etc (as they play those positions.) However, we were minor premiers and I think as long as you are winning, it doesn't matter as much.

Asotasi is paid relatively little at the dogs and it doesn't affect him.

 

[CrazyEel]

Just a thought. You look at house prices nowadays and you pick an area you like, peaceful, convenient, good transport connections and then you go looking for your dream house only to realize it is way beyond your financial means.

You think to yourself, I'm not going to pay that much to buy that house. It's not worth that much. I remember 5 years ago, it was only 60% of that value.

But in reality when you realize the market and economy has moved on, it is worth around that much give or take 10%.


This is what I believe is also happening to the player's salary. We say he's not worth that much and so drop out. But in reality, that is the going rate nowadays and other teams are willing to pay for them so the market is there.

Teams like Manly have probably realized that and will pay the best dollar for what they want. They have budgeted to spend that amount and so they will spend it. How it's allocated it's up to them.

It goes down to, pay a Simpson or a Hill $500K because we will have a higher chance of winning the title or no, that's too much, we'll try to make do with Zeb and Green. But it reduces our chance for the title.

We have the dosh, we are short of a 5/8th or Prop, I say go for at least 1 of the big names even if we are paying overs. For the remainder of the dosh, depending on performance, give out a bonus next year, pro-rata of course, Hindy the most, for number of games won and individual performances.

Unless we want to be stingy and keep the money to pay for pokies tax or something else.

That's all well and good if that house is what you really want and is truly worth it to you and your not just buying because it's the only one available. You'd be most upset if you did that only to find you have missed out on your dreamhome that comes onto the market just a few months later at a more realistic price.

None of the talent available this year is worth the desperation of paying 500K when you actually have the makings of a good side with the inclusion of some good up and coming juniors capable of perfoming just as well as anything available. That's buying just for the sake of it and I certainly don't agree with it.

 

[yy_cheng]

That's all well and good if that house is what you really want and is truly worth it to you and your not just buying because it's the only one available. You'd be most upset if you did that only to find you have missed out on your dreamhome that comes onto the market just a few months later at a more realistic price.

My point was the mentality that we think that Player's prices have gone up way too far and so we hold off. But in reality, that's what you have to pay.

I am sure that next year, if O'Meley comes onto the market, he would probably get something similar to what Asotasi got or if Mason came on the market, he would also command that.

The precedence has been set. A good prop is probably around $400K mark from now on.

None of the talent available this year is worth the desperation of paying 500K when you actually have the makings of a good side with the inclusion of some good up and coming juniors capable of perfoming just as well as anything available. That's buying just for the sake of it and I certainly don't agree with it.

Well, I reckon Hill and J Smith is worth it if you are looking at 2 years max or 1 year + 1 year option. Maybe not $500K but $400K. Smith would probably be cheaper.

Simpson is hard to justify as he might want a long 4 year contract.

Asotasi for mine was worth it as he is only 24.

 

[CrazyEel]

My point was the mentality that we think that Player's prices have gone up way too far and so we hold off. But in reality, that's what you have to pay.

Well that's the point I just don't agree with as I don't believe you have to pay those inflated prices. Sure some clubs have done so but I believe it was more in desperation and they will end up regretting it ala Newcastle's one man team in Johns.

 

[yy_cheng]

Fair enough.

 

[Eelectric]

I seriously think Hill is worth paying overs to on the basis of him developing Timmy and Blake. One of the best things about him is that he'll only be around for one or two seasons at which time we have the 2 young guys ready to take the reigns after being mentored by a premiership winning origin 5/8.

Having someone like Hill lead them around for a year or 2 would be invaluable and a strong investment in the future all at once.

 

[parra pete]

Keep em hungry. Don't pay overs...

 

[dio]

no
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