Second Brisbane Club

[BuffaloRules]

WA has 6 professional sports with Perth clubs in them. It is hardly going to waste it's time providing much coverage of a sport that doesn't have a team in Perth is it? And what haS that to do with ch9 burying NRL on a digital channel and not promoting that it is on? Do you think people in Perth will just know it's there by telepathy? The NRL big games on main channel that get promotion draw 100k plus viewers.

When the Reds were in town there were two journalists employed just to cover rugby league.

WA owes NRL nothing, if NRL wants a place in the Perth sports market it has to work for it.

Do you honestly believe that 10 or so years after they were introduced, the digital channels equate to the games being "buried"?

I note that 77k in Brisbane managed to find the GWS v Bulldogs game on SevenMate... Wow... They must be super human..

Are you saying that people in Perth are Luddites to the extent that don't know how to operate remote controls or check a television guide?

The point about Perth media is that they don't give the game a fair go, not only out of indifference but I suspect a deliberate campaign to ignore RL...even the ABC over there don't report the scores...i

Compare it to Sydney which has always given the AFL a go- even pre Swans..

To summarise, Perth is an insular backward isolated joke of a town, perhaps already past its best days after this latest boom... Could be heading the way of Detroit and Cleveland..

 

[taipan]

Do you honestly believe that 10 or so years after they were introduced, the digital channels equate to the games being "buried"?

I note that 77k in Brisbane managed to find the GWS v Bulldogs game on SevenMate... Wow... They must be super human..

Are you saying that people in Perth are Luddites to the extent that don't know how to operate remote controls or check a television guide?

The point about Perth media is that they don't give the game a fair go, not only out of indifference but I suspect a deliberate campaign to ignore RL...even the ABC over there don't report the scores...i

Compare it to Sydney which has always given the AFL a go- even pre Swans..

To summarise, Perth is an insular backward isolated joke of a town, perhaps already past its best days after this latest boom... Could be heading the way of Detroit and Cleveland..

Don't say that Buff,he will bring out the banjos.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

I always thought the Reds became the Storm..

 

[RoosTah]

Do you honestly believe that 10 or so years after they were introduced, the digital channels equate to the games being "buried"?

I note that 77k in Brisbane managed to find the GWS v Bulldogs game on SevenMate... Wow... They must be super human..

Are you saying that people in Perth are Luddites to the extent that don't know how to operate remote controls or check a television guide?

The point about Perth media is that they don't give the game a fair go, not only out of indifference but I suspect a deliberate campaign to ignore RL...even the ABC over there don't report the scores...i

Compare it to Sydney which has always given the AFL a go- even pre Swans..

To summarise, Perth is an insular backward isolated joke of a town, perhaps already past its best days after this latest boom... Could be heading the way of Detroit and Cleveland..

Mate, it's a city of 2 million people and if the TV stations aren't paying attention to us it's our fault. These guys are all in business at the end of the day and if we invest in the joint it will generate its own buzz.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Perth is a no brainer.

I can't believe they haven't played 5 seasons already.

 

[T-Boon]

I always thought the Reds became the Storm..

I always associated the Storm more with the Hunter Mariners. Maybe it was a mix of the two. Red Mariner Soup.

 

[Perth Red]

yeh was mix of two.

Seriously Buffaloo your equating AFL interest in Brisbane to NRL interest in Perth? How much money hass AFL invested in the game in Brisbane since 1998 compared to what the NRL has in perth? How much media do they buy there to get the game in front of people compared to the NRL's efforts in Perth? Do you know what the avg viewing on Ch9 digital is in perth? People dont watch it full stop.

20k at a game, 19k watching on tv. You really think there arent more than 19k NRL fans in Perth? lol. The trick is to grow the casual interest into a fanbase. Burying the game on digital with no promotion is never going to do that.

Personally I havent watched a game on Ch9 digital for years, between the commentary, them dropping games to cover tennis or other sht and foxes ever improving coverage there is no reason to watch NRL on FTA anymore for me.

100k will tune into the GF tomorrow hopefully. There is a core base to build from with decent promotion and coverage.

 

[Perth Red]

Doubt the Foxtel penetration is more than 30% so for only 19K out of the remaining 1.2 million is a worry for a GF qualifier...

It's certainly not the result that gets NRL and Nine excited about the Perth Pirates..

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Perth GF figures (again zero promotion on Ch9 in week up to the game but at least it was actually on nine not buried on digital)
. Kind of backs up what I was saying about burying the game on digital or do you think the Rl viewership has grown by 100k in Perth in a week?
Avg 118k Peak 163k.

 

[RoosTah]

Perth GF figures (again zero promotion on Ch9 in week up to the game but at least it was actually on nine not buried on digital)
. Kind of backs up what I was saying about burying the game on digital or do you think the Rl viewership has grown by 100k in Perth in a week?
Avg 118k Peak 163k.

A peak of 163k in Perth us pretty strong - as the local comp there continues to grow it can only strengthen the case for a team

 

[BuffaloRules]

Perth GF figures (again zero promotion on Ch9 in week up to the game but at least it was actually on nine not buried on digital)
. Kind of backs up what I was saying about burying the game on digital or do you think the Rl viewership has grown by 100k in Perth in a week?
Avg 118k Peak 163k.

98k watched Origin 1 in Perth on Gem...

Kind of backs up what I was saying about digital TV not being an issue?

http://www.mediaday.com.au/state-origin-1-2016-sets-new-tv-ratings-mark/

 

[BuffaloRules]

Is anyone surprised that the Adelaide ( smaller city) GF numbers are pretty much on par with Perth?

Whatever inadequate time, energy and money is being put into Perth, I'm sure it would be be about 20 times what is happening in Adelaide...

Maybe Adelaide needs to be given a better go...

 

[RoosTah]

Is anyone surprised that the Adelaide ( smaller city) GF numbers are pretty much on par with Perth?

Whatever inadequate time, energy and money is being put into Perth, I'm sure it would be be about 20 times what is happening in Adelaide...

Maybe Adelaide needs to be given a better go...

That's very interesting... still, in terms of market size you'd have to prioritize Perth

 

[The Mad Hatter]

If you did Adelaide right, you'd have a Rams vs Storm rivalry.

Then promote and us vs them mentality.

Look at Adelaide and Perth in BBL. Parochial, loyal and will go if they think their turf is at stake to show others they're best.

 

[Perth Red]

So much potential in Adelaide but if you think the game has neglected WA then it has down right exiled SA. There is no reason RL cant become a strong second placed sport in Adelaide and Perth, well except the games leaderships lack of ability to make it so of course.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

So much potential in Adelaide but if you think the game has neglected WA then it has down right exiled SA. There is no reason RL cant become a strong second placed sport in Adelaide and Perth, well except the games leaderships lack of ability to make it so of course.

True, the Rams attendance in 98 was only 2-3k off some NSW teams who made the finals but they still got cut. To think if Rams/Reds remain in competition to this day, both would be 20+year clubs with a Storm-like presence aleast there by now but the damn super-league say no to national competition and just be heartland oriented even since.

http://afltables.com/rl/crowds/1998.html

The fact Adelaide wasn't too far from the Bulldogs who made the GF said it all about the potential, all Adelaide/Perth needed to do was make the finals to show the potential they had to the NRL admin but they never got the chance.

To think if the Storm didn't make the finals straight away, I wouldn't be surprised if they got panic released like Rams/Reds in the past just to keep it heartland oriented an forever insular. NRL wants instant success with expanison and lacked the patience the AFL show in QLD/NSW.

Using the NRL's logic on expansion both Swans/Lions would of been gone in the 90's because they were 'too hard' and focus on the 'heartlands' instead.

 

[Perth Red]

Was typical RL response to a tough situation, balls shrunk up to their throats and they bottled the opportunity to have a truly national comp. They should have gone to a 18 team comp and kept Adelaide, perth, SQ, Goldcoast and Melbourne then Brisbane, NQ, Raiders, Warriors and Knights and let the Sydney clubs fight over the 8 places. Id have put Gosford in and either made the Bears/Eagles merger work or said to them if you cant make it work present your cases for which team will stay in Gosford. 7 places left for Sydney.

Would have given teams in the big 5 capitals, 7 Sydney teams, 4 Qland teams, 1 NZ team. That would have set the footprint for next 20 years and we would now be looking to expand to 20 by bringing in possibly another NZ and PNG team. How exciting would be that be for the comp.

Hey ho such is RL and why it is where it is after 100 years.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

Was typical RL response to a tough situation, balls shrunk up to their throats and they bottled the opportunity to have a truly national comp. They should have gone to a 18 team comp and kept Adelaide, perth, SQ, Goldcoast and Melbourne then Brisbane, NQ, Raiders, Warriors and Knights and let the Sydney clubs fight over the 8 places. Id have put Gosford in and either made the Bears/Eagles merger work or said to them if you cant make it work present your cases for which team will stay in Gosford. 7 places left for Sydney.

Would have given teams in the big 5 capitals, 7 Sydney teams, 4 Qland teams, 1 NZ team. That would have set the footprint for next 20 years and we would now be looking to expand to 20 by bringing in possibly another NZ and PNG team. How exciting would be that be for the comp.

Hey ho such is RL and why it is where it is after 100 years.

The NRL when comprising in 98 should of kept all expansion teams minus Hunter Mariners and let the Sydney clubs fight it out considering those clubs had decades to get it together while WA/SA never got the light of day. If they did they could of been potentially going better than some heartland clubs today but we never know as they got prematurely cut and was never giving a true chance.

Expansion teams should of got a 5 year reprieve aleast and financial assistance in those intial years and then go from there and be treated as equally with the heartland. The bias towards expansion teams is obvious to this day just listen to the GF commentary.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

So much potential in Adelaide but if you think the game has neglected WA then it has down right exiled SA. There is no reason RL cant become a strong second placed sport in Adelaide and Perth, well except the games leaderships lack of ability to make it so of course.

You could easily win the corporate dollar in WA and SA with advertising and promotional discounts, etc.

I'd have Sunday night football at 7pm in Sydney - coming out of Perth weeks 1, 3, 5, 7 etc and out of Adelaide weeks 2, 4, 6, 8 etc.

You give the companies over there 5-10 of free, or heavily discounted advertising etc so WA and SA companies get promoted in the East.

You'd hype the f**k out of it in those cities as "The east coast is coming to rape, murder, pillage us..." and in the East, you'd have Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane going to show the new boys in town what its really like, blah blah blah.

The ARLC gets in to bed with an airline and hotel chain so travelling fans could get cheaper accommodation and flights and in turn, that's advertised back in to the NRL etc.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

Also, the Rams playing out in Adelaide Oval made no sense, sure for a match or two but to do a season worth of matches where they should of when to Hindmarsh straight away. Would of beign cheaper and smaller capacity would made it easier to built demand.

Same with the Reds and being at the cricket ground, when Perth oval (nib stadium) was there being a home for Perth Glory should of been for the Reds. Both clubs went too big, too soon as the smaller stadia was there already.

 

[docbrown]

Here's what the ARL's plan for how to deal with the Sydney clubs was in the early 90s during the expansion phase -- they'll either fold, relocate or merge

Here's what the NRL's plan for how to deal with the Sydney clubs was after super league during the consolidation phase -- they'll either fold, relocate or merge

No one actually sat down and came up with a coordinated plan for how you'd merge or relocate clubs, or even knew which clubs had the strongest levels of support etc.

It was basically left to anarchy to decide.

But what if?
Illawarra Sharks -- Sutherland down to Wollongong uninterrupted
Canterbury Dragons -- the bordering Canterbury & St George districts merged
North Sydney Sea Eagles -- keep a presence in North Sydney & make Manly a bigger club
Eastern Sydney Tigers -- merge the Eastern Suburbs with the nearby Inner West
Parramatta Eels -- massive catchment
Western Sydney Panthers -- two smaller far western sydney areas united
Central Coast Bears -- relocated
South Sydney Rabbitohs -- move to homebush as fans were already geographically spread out by the 90s

Of course people are going to complain (don't touch my team etc) but surely this kind of logic makes more sense than merging St George & Wollongong, or Campbelltown & Inner West, or trying to merge extreme rivals like Northern Eagles & having no Bears at all.

The 4 merged teams would have doubled their catchment areas by joining with bordering teams. You can't tell me that the Roosters crowds at the SFS wouldn't be boosted by all that Inner West support. Or that Illawarra Sharks wouldn't have more support than the current Sharks. Or that this version of the Dragons wouldn't be a massively supported club capable of 25-30k crowds by 2016. We would have had expansion already on the Central Coast.

National Rugby League 20 team comp. 2x10 conferences NFL style

Super Conference
New Zealand Warriors
PNG Hunters
Adelaide Rams
Brisbane Broncos
Gold Coast Mariners -- merge with Hunter
Canberra Raiders
Central Coast Bears
Eastern Sydney Tigers
Parramatta Eels
South Sydney Rabbitohs


Australian Conference
New Zealand 2
Perth Reds
Melbourne Storm
North Queensland Cowboys
South Queensland Crushers
Newcastle Knights
Illawarra Sharks
North Sydney Sea Eagles
Canterbury Dragons
Western Sydney Panthers

Play own conference twice 18 games, play 5 rivals in other conference once = 23 rounds
Week 1 finals: 4 games: 3v6, 4v5 for each conference --> winners A&B advance to Week 2, losers eliminated
Week 2 finals: 4 games: 1vB, 2vA for each conference --> winners C&D advance to Week 3, losers eliminated
Week 3 finals: 2 games: CvD to decide each conference winner --> winners through to Grand Final
Week 4 Grand Final: the two conference winners play off Super Bowl style

Just a what if...?