See ya Slater

[thorson1987]

It's not his go

pffft. It's only Klemmer that he kicked.

 

[myrrh ken]

Hope they give him 2 weeks suspension

If that's the case, they could probably squeeze in 2 testimonial matches between now and the gf - one for billy and another one for cam, to soak up the suspension

 

[myrrh ken]

pffft. It's only Klemmer that he kicked.

Looks like he kicked his follicles out.

 

[Springs09]

The reason the shoulder charge was banned was based on evidence of the average collision and the amount of force that is applied. Of course, you can't eradicate all risks, but you can minimise them. That's why they banned the shoulder charge.

We could go into the reasons why this increased force occurs, but I don't think it's necessarily appropriate.



As mentioned, the league brings in rules in minimise risk of injury and death. They can't remove it completely. But it's why they have mandated breaks in certain temperatures, it's why they have made grapple tackles and cannon ball tackles an illegal tackle. It's why you can't attack the legs of a kicker, or his a half late.

The shoulder charge ban was meant to minimise risk.

Was the Billy Slater one what they were thinking of when they banned it? No, but it is still an illegal tackle.

Yep I agree, if they banned the shoulder charge then the Slater tackle is illegal and must be penalised the same way they have penalised others.

They measured the average force of a tucked arm shoulder charge compared to a regular tackle. But the rule is still hypocritical as a tucked arm shoulder charge would be comparable in force to a raised arm shoulder hit, which are still legal. It's hypocritical to praise one, as fans and commentators do, while condemning the other as an act worthy of 2 weeks suspensions, when both are capable of doing severe harm.

But if Slater gets off this charge then the shoulder charge is effectively back. Most shoulder charges have some use of the arm. Should he be suspended? Yes. Should the rule be looked at in the off-season? Of course it should, especially the silly grade 1 = automatic 200 points rule they brought in which makes contact to the chest or shoulder punished harsher than an arm to the head.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

You are 100% correct.

If he got binned in the first place, the pressure to charge would have be reduced.

If the NRL also just left the shouldercharge rule where it was when first introduced, and not decided to come down with a ridiculous “suspend everyone” hardline tactic that saw multiple players charged after innocuous hits (Tapine, Radley, etc), they also would have a lot more wriggle room to just declare it penalty sufficient.

As it stands they’ve now painted themselves into a nice shitty corner of their own creation. Either enforce the dumb rules they were so adamant had to be put in place for “player welfare”, or go full on hypocrite and allow him to play.

If he is allowed to play, I hope this leads to the end of this pathetic shouldercharge rule. It’s been a blight on the game for years

Yep, totally agree.

I hate the rule, same as the punch rule which makes the players look like massive pansies (Or AFL players). The problem is that I can't see them backing down on either rule simply because it makes them look like massive failures if they do.

As it's Todd Greenberg calling the shots, he would rather run the NRL into the ground than admit failure on anything.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

So if Slater had've been disciplined on the field, as he should've been (weak as piss refs) he would've had less chance of being charged? Is that right or a fallacy/guesswork?

If he'd have been binned, he wouldn't have been charged.

 

[Someguy]

Wow 7 weeks?
What a cat

Even Gallen only got 3 in one go.

They used to do proper suspensions back in the day! These days a deliberate kick to the head with no blood no injury would be lucky to attract a fine.

I think it is no longer possible to be suspended for a trip but going back a few years it was a possible send off and considered as a serious offence by the judiciary

 

[Evil_Mush]

Well if he's not charged then it's open season on Billy with the shoulder on Sunday, which should be entertaining as hell!!!

Nothing quite like a bit of the old #smashslater to spice up a contest!

 

[Frailty]

Yep I agree, if they banned the shoulder charge then the Slater tackle is illegal and must be penalised the same way they have penalised others.

They measured the average force of a tucked arm shoulder charge compared to a regular tackle. But the rule is still hypocritical as a tucked arm shoulder charge would be comparable in force to a raised arm shoulder hit, which are still legal. It's hypocritical to praise one, as fans and commentators do, while condemning the other as an act worthy of 2 weeks suspensions, when both are capable of doing severe harm.

But if Slater gets off this charge then the shoulder charge is effectively back. Most shoulder charges have some use of the arm. Should he be suspended? Yes. Should the rule be looked at in the off-season? Of course it should, especially the silly grade 1 = automatic 200 points rule they brought in which makes contact to the chest or shoulder punished harsher than an arm to the head.

This isn't true. The reason the tucked arm is used is simply to protect the body and shoulder of the person inflicting a hit. This means they are able to generate more force before their body would be damaged. In comparison, the raised arm actually exposes the shoulder to more damage, so players are less likely to generate as much force.

A good example would be to look at the difference between the force of punches between boxers and MMA fighters. The gloves protect the hand of the athlete throwing the punch, so the boxer generates more power in their punch than the MMA fighter because their hand is more protected. Interestingly, MMA fighters frequently break their hands in fights because they do most of their striking training in boxing gloves, and thus are used to throwing with the same force.

So as odd as it sounds, the tuck is a big reason for the average difference in the force produced.

 

[YoHadrian]

Billy is such a supreme athlete that he uses his extended, studs up boot in the facial region as balance.
The regular athletes don't climb as high as Billy, and so you don't see others doing this.
When you look at the photo, you will see a nice vertical line between his left leg and his torso and head. This is a well balanced stance. Now, because his right leg is nearly perpendicular to his body, he has to make contact with the head/neck/spinal cord region with a kicking action so he remains balanced and doesn't fall over. Now of course this isn't a kick, it's a kicking action. By now I hope you are familiar with what is, and what's not his go.
Similarly, knees, elbows, etc rammed at opposition try scorers are also balance related. You wouldn't understand, so I won't waste my time explaining it. Storm supporters understand it, though.

Best laugh I've all day. Love it.

 

[MilkShark]

Well if he's not charged then it's open season on Billy with the shoulder on Sunday, which should be entertaining as hell!!!

Nothing quite like a bit of the old #smashslater to spice up a contest!

Damn straight, if I’m coach my instructions are to ensure billy ends up upside down in the crowd.

 

[The_Shield]

Yeah, the Shield is trying to say people think Billy is a grub for doing legal stuff.

I said absolutely nothing about that incident. Way to make shit up mate

 

[carcharias]

I said absolutely nothing about that incident. Way to make shit up mate

Speaking of making shit up

The storms defence should be entertaining tonight.

 

[Fire]

Speaking of making shit up

The storms defence should be entertaining tonight.

In summing up...

It's the Grand Final...

It's Mabo...

It's Billy Slater...

It's his final game...

It's the vibe...

and...

No that's it...

It's the vibe...

I rest my case.

 

[jim_57]

Well if he's not charged then it's open season on Billy with the shoulder on Sunday, which should be entertaining as hell!!!

Nothing quite like a bit of the old #smashslater to spice up a contest!

He played the first 12-13 years of his career through "open season with the shoulder". He seemed to do ok.

If he plays I'm sure the Storm would be relishing the prospect of every player going out of their way to "smash him" because they'll probably carve them to pieces.

 

[carcharias]

In summing up...

It's the Constitution...

It's Mabo...

It's justice...

It's law...

It's the vibe...

and...

No that's it...

It's the vibe...

I rest my case.

It’s not a shoulder
It’s a home

 

[The_Shield]

Speaking of making shit up

The storms defence should be entertaining tonight.

Won’t be anywhere near as entertaining as here will be after he gets off

 

[carcharias]

Won’t be anywhere near as entertaining as here will be after he gets off

I doubt that

 

[no name]

I said absolutely nothing about that incident. Way to make shit up mate

You said people think Billy is a grub because some of his ‘legal’ plays.

People think Billy is a grub because he is.

 

[The_Shield]

You said people think Billy is a grub because some of his ‘legal’ plays.

People think Billy is a grub because he is.

No that’s not what I said. I said people always bring up the sliding with his feet when calling him dirty.