Serious Question RE: Setanta O'hAilpin

[Timmah]

WTF. Seriously.

How can he only get a 4 week rest for belting up a teammate, yet an on field player committing an offence gets the same punishment?

Setanta should've been banned for the season, perhaps sacked by the club.

What is it with these ridiculous double standards? What happened on that training paddock was assault, he should've been charged ffs...

 

[lockyno1]

Different charges plus Maxwell (the other player) had 100% loading for a similar offence in the last 12 moths- i.e repeat offender. O'Halipan's offence was in an intra-club trial, if this was appealed they would have got him off as it is not an official AFL game, so they could not whack him with a 12 week suspension anyway. 4 weeks is fine. It was made out to be worse than it was. Didn't Billy Slater get a similar sentence for "kicking" anyway!

 

[Timmah]

Made out to be worse than it was? In what f**king way? It was recorded on video - I was in Melbourne on that weekend and saw it on the news - it was sickening and deliberate. He should be looking at 12 weeks minimum. Don't be surprised if his own fans boo him.

 

[Twizzle]

intra club trial, nothing to do with the AFL

I agree it was a low act, the club should have done more

 

[lockyno1]

It was just a kick, nothing more. Was it bad, yes. Did it deserve 4 weeks. Yes. However it was not that bad. Lets be honest here, Barry Hall copped 7 weeks, and O'Halipan copped 4, Hall had priors. That is a fair result. Lets be realistic here, if Carlton wanted to (and thankfully they didn"t) they could have got him off as technically it was not an official AFL match and that probably had something to do with them only offering him 5 weeks (reduced to 4 with early plea). Lets be realistic, it was not deliberate anyway. Just a unfortunate incident that sometimes happens in intra club trials. The unfortunate part is that it got caught on film! Most intra club trials are CLOSED SESSIONS with no film available. Heck I was at an Essendon trial and there was a deliberate elbow to the head of Heath Hocking by Kade Klemke but guess what it was a CLOSED SESSION and nothing is done (Klemeke got a week by Essendon though).

Maxwell had priors and if he had no priors he would have walked away with 1 week!

 

[Twizzle]

it was more than a kick

 

[Timmah]

It was just a kick, nothing more. Was it bad, yes. Did it deserve 4 weeks. Yes. However it was not that bad. Lets be honest here, Barry Hall copped 7 weeks, and O'Halipan copped 4, Hall had priors. That is a fair result. Lets be realistic here, if Carlton wanted to (and thankfully they didn"t) they could have got him off as technically it was not an official AFL match and that probably had something to do with them only offering him 5 weeks (reduced to 4 with early plea). Lets be realistic, it was not deliberate anyway. Just a unfortunate incident that sometimes happens in intra club trials. The unfortunate part is that it got caught on film! Most intra club trials are CLOSED SESSIONS with no film available. Heck I was at an Essendon trial and there was a deliberate elbow to the head of Heath Hocking by Kade Klemke but guess what it was a CLOSED SESSION and nothing is done (Klemeke got a week by Essendon though).

Maxwell had priors and if he had no priors he would have walked away with 1 week!

:lol: So it's ok for someone to hit or kick someone in spite ONLY if it's not on video? :lol:

Get a grip you f**kwit, you're defending the indefensible.

 

[lockyno1]

No I am not. The point is that in every intra club trial, there is something that goes on that is against the rules of the game. Hardly any of these trials are filmed. Therefore in a way he is very unlucky to cop 4 weeks. It is half the reason the Match Review Committee had to be a bit softer as they know this blatant fact. It deserved 5 weeks, reduced to 4. It is a fair result. Hall got 7 for a blatant king hit, O'Halipan got 4 for an unfortunate kick and a bit of squabbling (fighting) and the fighting is part and parcel of every single intra club trial so it is really only the kick/kicks that are the things that need penalising and the MRC have done that....Billy Slater copped a similar sentence yet I don't see you carrying on about that becuase it is about your beloved NRL..

 

[lockyno1]

:lol: So it's ok for someone to hit or kick someone in spite ONLY if it's not on video? :lol:

I'll give you an example of my club- Essendon. We have about 8 intra club trials from december through to February..only ONE is an open session. So yes you are unlucky if you do something wrong in that session and get filmed. A lot of these illegal things are dealt with in house!

 

[lockyno1]

Nothing to do with money CS..the offences alone were weighted correctly. O'Halipan got 5 reduced to 4 with a good record, Maxwell got 1, increased to 3 with a bad record, and he challenged that at the tribunal and copped an extra week. Maxwell has a shocking record.

 

[Collingwood Storm]

Let's be honest if they gave O'hAilpin a higher graded report all he would have to do is go to the tribunal, give evidence, get his team mate up and say the same thing and there would be no choice but to have the report downgraded.

Everyone knows that most of the time players stick up for each other at the tribunal but it would have been ridiculous to have team mates up there.

 

[lockyno1]

Exactly, not to mention the fact that as I have said before he was "unlucky" that it was an OPEN intra-club match as not all intra-club matches are open to the public. 4 weeks is fine for this offence.

 

[Timmah]

Unlucky that he was caught?

So someone who speeds, forces someone off the road and gets away with it, they're lucky?

HE DELIBERATELY DID WHAT HE DID. Should be charged with assault and banned for the season.

 

[lockyno1]

It was NOT DELIBERATE. How many times does that need to be said. Did he go into that match wanting to kick Cloke..no. It was an unfortunate accident. Billy Slater did the same and got the same penalty..but why am I not surprised you keep overlooking that. O'Halipan was unlucky it was an open intra-club trial though and the reason CS gave is another point as if it went to a tribunal Cloke would have got him off. Is it better him copping 4 weeks or ZERO..as if it went to a tribunal he would have got ZERO!

 

[Timmah]

Unfortunate accident? He got him in a choker hold then punched him twice, THEN kicked him as he lay on the ground! How the f**k is that an accident? It was f**king malicious, you drop kick!

 

[Timmah]

It was NOT DELIBERATE. How many times does that need to be said. Did he go into that match wanting to kick Cloke..no. It was an unfortunate accident. Billy Slater did the same and got the same penalty..but why am I not surprised you keep overlooking that. O'Halipan was unlucky it was an open intra-club trial though and the reason CS gave is another point as if it went to a tribunal Cloke would have got him off. Is it better him copping 4 weeks or ZERO..as if it went to a tribunal he would have got ZERO!

Again, you can't justify him as "unlucky" because it was being filmed. HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.

 

[lockyno1]

Forget about the punching and the choking as it happens in most intra club games as players like to prove they are better than each other. Nothing really wrong with that. That is fair game, and each club has instances of that in intra club games. Last year Kyle Reimers and Sam Lonergan (Essendon) had a fight in an intra clu game. Nothing new there.

Th kicking is where the issue is. 4 weeks for a kick is fine..and again you forget that BILLY F..KING SLATER got a similar punishment for kicking. O'Halipan had a clean record and 5 weeks for a kicking offence is fine, reduced to 4 with an early plea. It was just a couple of boys, and one went a fraction too far. The punching/fighting is fine, but the kicking is a problem and it has been dealt with.

 

[lockyno1]

Again, you can't justify him as "unlucky" because it was being filmed. HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.

Yes and it was dealt with. Fair dinkum you are carrying on as if the AFL has let him off. He has got charged and will miss 4 games and has 200 points carrying over for the 2009 season. But he was unlucky that the intra club match was the one open session Calton had this summer. Yes it was wrong, but at the same time, was unlucky.

 

[Timmah]

Forget about the punching and the choking as it happens in most intra club games as players like to prove they are better than each other. Nothing really wrong with that. That is fair game, and each club has instances of that in intra club games. Last year Kyle Reimers and Sam Lonergan (Essendon) had a fight in an intra clu game. Nothing new there.

Th kicking is where the issue is. 4 weeks for a kick is fine..and again you forget that BILLY F..KING SLATER got a similar punishment for kicking. O'Halipan had a clean record and 5 weeks for a kicking offence is fine, reduced to 4 with an early plea. It was just a couple of boys, and one went a fraction too far. The punching/fighting is fine, but the kicking is a problem and it has been dealt with.

Forget about the punching and choking? It happens in most intra-club games? :lol: You're a f**king dope first of all if you believe that's true, and second of all if you condone it.

Billy Slater got a punishment for kicking? When?

Punching, fighting or kicking - none are fine. Get a grip.


By the way, Darius Boyd is a Dragon now ;-)

 

[lockyno1]

Wrestling is part and parcel of most AFL intra-club matches. There were no actual punches thrown really, just a bit of a wrestle that went a bit further. The kicking part is the issue...as for Slater he got 7 weeks (due to his poor record) for kicking Johns Skandalis (WT) a few years back. O'Halipan got 5 (down to 4 for good record), O'Halipan's offence did not come in a real match!

As for Boyd I know.