Shame ARL/RLIF

[carlnz]

The ARL, NZRL and RFL are just selfish, ignorant governing bodies that do more harm then good to their own nations, let alone stuffing up everyone else.

Dont talk about stuff you have no idea about! Last year NZRL funded the Russian National team to tour the South Island. They then funded an NZDF team to play in the Victory Cup in 2004. Also the NZRL has sent the NZ A team to France, USA and New Calendiona to name a few countries in the past two or three years.

THEN the ARL and NZRL help fund last years Pacific Rim Cup in Auckland....

NZRL has bugger all money, they do bloody well for what they do with the Bartercard Cup and the National Junior Competition...

Its about time you guys lay off...if Russia cant help them selves then too bad.....

ARL cannot help every country! they are busy with PNG at the moment...

Im sick of people picking on these orginsations...give them a break!! I mean the ARL and NZRL sent there teams to play france and the Kangaroos to the USA! They didnt have to!

 

[Copa]

Just posted by PIRATE RADIO on totalrl http://www.totalrl.com/fansforum/index.php?showtopic=14588

Just another addition to the mix..

Hi There,

It looks from my sorces (Mut other half is from there neck of the woods and spoke to someone the other day) that the main comp has folded just matches in Moscow and Kazan at a local leval.

The whole thing was funded by the casino owner who has falled out over the sacking of Bob Bailey and the only way to get things going again is to get him back on board.

Even the old staff have gone with him to.

PR

 

[League Freak™]

Dont talk about stuff you have no idea about! Last year NZRL funded the Russian National team to tour the South Island. They then funded an NZDF team to play in the Victory Cup in 2004. Also the NZRL has sent the NZ A team to France, USA and New Calendiona to name a few countries in the past two or three years.

THEN the ARL and NZRL help fund last years Pacific Rim Cup in Auckland....

NZRL has bugger all money, they do bloody well for what they do with the Bartercard Cup and the National Junior Competition...

Its about time you guys lay off...if Russia cant help them selves then too bad.....

ARL cannot help every country! they are busy with PNG at the moment...

Im sick of people picking on these orginsations...give them a break!! I mean the ARL and NZRL sent there teams to play france and the Kangaroos to the USA! They didnt have to!

First of all.....

NZ does less to promote the game then any nation on Earth. They are so busy backstabbing on another and p*ssing and moaning about Australia that the rest of the world is of no concern to them.

GB....yeah...thats a good one. They refuse to even get on a train and play France.....or anyone else for that matter.

GB wont leave GB and both GB and NZ refuse to play Australia after an Origin series because...heaven forbid...they get "Ambushed".

The ARL meanwhile dont realise there is a world beyond Parramatta. To them the World is flat!


So some come on here and tell me about token bits of Bullsh*t. All three to stuff all for the game in their own nations, let alone the game played anywhere else in the world.

 

[dallas dragons]

Can someone tell the Warathas to skip Russia and get their behinds to the States instead so we can enjoy some decent rugby union for a change. Tell them to bring Reds ( from Queensland not Moscow ) and start playing. Tell also the NRL to play the next State of Origin game in the USA.

 

[carlnz]

First of all.....

NZ does less to promote the game then any nation on Earth. They are so busy backstabbing on another and p*ssing and moaning about Australia that the rest of the world is of no concern to them.

GB wont leave GB and both GB and NZ refuse to play Australia after an Origin series because...heaven forbid...they get "Ambushed".

The ARL meanwhile dont realise there is a world beyond Parramatta. To them the World is flat!

Yet again you dont know sh*t...you are pretty dumb...Yeah lets talk about Origin...we wont play after an origin why?? BECAUSE YOU POOFS AT THE NRL WONT GIVE US OUR OWN STATE OF ORIGIN! Here NZ you can play your Origin in February or after the Grand Final....Shows how much the NRL runs the game or ruin the game in the World...

You have no idea about NZRL, they have already sent a Bartercard Team to the Cook Islands to play their local teams earlier this year..

Also NZRL will be helping out the Pacific Rim again this year so I fail to say how NZRL dont do anything to help the game..Also they are supporting France tour NZ sometime this year...

 

[gaterooze]

jvujosevic, Serbia is definitly showing the way forward for International League. Your efforts are amazing and you seem to have a better organization than most established League nations!

 

[In-goal]

LF please stay away from topics in which you have no idea, from now on your not permitted on anyother forum but the Panthers one.

p.s. were you at the GF victory?

 

[taipan]

Rugby league as a sport always looks for the quick fix. League followers think that because they prefer league, the rest of the world will also automatically prefer it, too.

Sorry, guys, it just ain't so. There are flaws in rugby union, but if you have grown up with it, it is your benchmark. Rugby league would be better off changing its name, and forgetting about competing with rugby union head-on. Unless, that is, all league followers are prepared to put in a lot of effort for the long haul.

There are no quick fixes. To people who have grown up with rugby union, rugby league looks like a training drill with tackling. A lot of skill, for sure, but not much interest. Okay, shoot me.

Where is rl looking for a quick fix ?-the rugby league conference which now encompasses Wales and all over England,and separate conferences in Ireland and Scotland didnt happen over night.It is interesting that many union people are involved in setting up rugby league teams and playing in themThey will form the basis in the future of national sides.Look what happened in france after the vichy/union thft and the SL war.the game has a side UTC in the ESL in 2006.Its happening in Jamaica.
Why should rugby league change its name ,it is as much rugby as rugby union.That is old school tie thinking and about as out of date.
I grew up with rugby union until age 17 years,and am now a fanatical league supporter and internationalist.So its rubbish to assume that because you are brought up on something,that you cant change your preferences down the line.
Many league people consider union a game of technicalities and ref induced stoppages,and prefer league with its simplicity and flow.
Consider yourself shot.

 

[gladiator]

The situation in Russia appears to have come about through internal politics, there was probably little the RLIF could have done without one of the sides threating to go over to the dark side. As league spreads internationally there will be these sort of set backs and the threat of clubs etc going back to, or over to union will be used as a gun to the head of officals in some countries.
The reverse can apply as has happened in New Caladonia with several clubs switching over to league.
The RLIF must continue to foster the game in Russia regardless of the set backs there. Those that are left will need plenty of help to grow the game, but there is no reason why league does not still have a future in Russia.
I do agree that little is/was known about league in Russia, so it's hard to know what damage has been done when we didn't know what we had in the first place.
International league is growing, we only need to look back to 2001(after world cup) when it was the laughing stock of world sport. Good progress has been made, with ALL major countries slowly becoming more involved.
I think the current addmin are lifting their game but are paying the price for the lack of action by past officals over the last two decades. As a result the international game is no where near what it should be in 2005.
As funds increase and more countries play the game it will snow ball, unfortunatly it will be another 5/10 years before our game has international creditability.

 

[In-goal]

When you take into consideration that Youngsters in France, Wales, Scotland Ireland and even Russia and Tartasan have been exposed to the game is a shininig light for what can only be described as the darkest period in our game since Vichy.

International Rugby League will only get stronger and the ARL have shown a commitment to this buy announcing Telstra S as the venue for this years Tri-Nations encounter against NZ.

Believe you me if 60,000 showup for that game thats another 500,000 available for the betterment of RL.

 

[League Freak™]

Isnt it funny how this thread is about the inaction by the main League administartors in the world.....and I agree with the threads general theme......and out of no where people come out and attack me because Im wrong.


THE GAME IN RUSSIA IS ALL BUT DEAD because of these wonderfull administrators.

The NZRL and RFL REFUSED to ever play a test match after a State Of Origin series because...I quote "We refuse to be ambushed".


So not only are the NZRL and RFL incompitant...they are also gutless!

 

[Woods99]

Where is rl looking for a quick fix ?-the rugby league conference which now encompasses Wales and all over England,and separate conferences in Ireland and Scotland didnt happen over night.

A lot of league followers look for a quick fix. Just look at the web-sites that spring up alleging that, for example, rugby league exists in Singapore? They cannot even field a frigging team, for crying out aloud.

More to the point, league faces big decisions on the workload that elite players can handle, and there are no quick, easy answers to this. With the expansion of the NRL to 16 teams, that alone is 30 games. The ARU limits its contracted players to 30 games or so each year, it might be 32.

Add SOO, plus finals, and the best players will be up to 36 or more, without any internationals at all.

On one of the league boards, not this one I think, there was a poll as to whether people favoured their clubs over international commitments, and the answer was resoundingly "yes". Rugby league depends on the club game, and when push comes to shove, it will always win out against internationalisation.

These are hard issues, there are not easy solutions. Choices have to be made, and there is no quick fix.

It is interesting that many union people are involved in setting up rugby league teams and playing in themThey will form the basis in the future of national sides.Look what happened in france after the vichy/union thft and the SL war.the game has a side UTC in the ESL in 2006.Its happening in Jamaica.

If rugby union people get involved with league, that's fair enough. I hear that quite a few of the US team that played the Kangaroos recently are rugby union players, but they only play league in the summer. As for the Vichy regime in France, nobody has yet explained to me how it is that France managed to make a hugely successful league tour of Australia in the 1950's, and then defeated Australia in a test series in the seventies. It would make more sense to wonder what happened to league in France from then on, not way back from the forties on. The failure of league to kick on in France has a lot more to do with the fact that rugby union was professional there, with much more money in the game than there was for league.

Why should rugby league change its name ,it is as much rugby as rugby union.That is old school tie thinking and about as out of date.

I simply pointed out that the name "rugby" is far more widely recognised as being the 15 a-side game. Try this test, ask your mates whether they watched rugby or league (or footy) this weekend. The only ones to respond "rugby" will be the ones who watched rugby union. And so it is throughout the world, as far as I know. "Rugby league" is taken to mean a rugby union competition. So it makes it kind of tough to promote rugby league as a game, when the name has been taken by somebody else. This is a marketing issue, not an old school tie issue. Another name for it is "commonsense".

I grew up with rugby union until age 17 years,and am now a fanatical league supporter and internationalist.So its rubbish to assume that because you are brought up on something,that you cant change your preferences down the line.
Many league people consider union a game of technicalities and ref induced stoppages,and prefer league with its simplicity and flow.
Consider yourself shot.

Yes, of course league people don't like rugby union, but that is not your challenge, or the challenge for league...it is to attract people who have grown up to appreciate and enjoy rugby union, with all its complexities and technicalities, with the struggle for possession, and for the turnovers and surprises which happen all the time.

Incidentally, and for the record, this weekend Australia play Samoa (as I type), the All Blacks played Fiji last night, British and Irish Lions play New Zealand Maori tonight, and then South Africa play Uruguay.

 

[League Freak™]

I think the way forward for League is to basically have the NRL (NOT ARL or RFL or NZRL or anyone else) set up and fund rep teams.

For instance, the NRL would set up a fund for a Pacific Islands side. They sell off the jersey sponsorship and get a coaching staff togeather.

Leaving the administration of these international sides up to under funded and poorly managed governing bodies just does not work. I think these governing bodies would be very thankfull for an organization funded by the NRL to take over and fund their representative sides.


I also think the top teams at international level also have to look at offering money to union nations to play exhibition games.


You could fill 2 stadiums to see the Australian Kangaroo's play the All Blacks in a game of League. With the price of tickets, the TV and sponsorship deals for a game like that.....split the profits 50/50.....it will eventually draw interest from top union sides in this era of professionalism.

 

[carlnz]

Isnt it funny how this thread is about the inaction by the main League administartors in the world.....and I agree with the threads general theme......and out of no where people come out and attack me because Im wrong.


THE GAME IN RUSSIA IS ALL BUT DEAD because of these wonderfull administrators.

The NZRL and RFL REFUSED to ever play a test match after a State Of Origin series because...I quote "We refuse to be ambushed".


So not only are the NZRL and RFL incompitant...they are also gutless!

Yeah and the NRL clubs are to gutless to give the Kiwis their own state of origin series!! Because they know that will help NZ and make them stronger...so you can take your gutless crap and shove them up your ass..you are a plain fool...WHy should NZRL and RFL play games when Australia want to? ARL has been running the International game for years..not anymore..the Kiwis and poms have finaly grown some nuts and stood up for them selfs

 

[League Freak™]

Now he's going on about NRL clubs!

 

[DIEHARD]

Kiwis deserve their own Origin. We have NSW City v Country and us Queenslanders tolerate its presence on the calender, no excuses for not allowing the Kiwis to develope something for themselves.

It isn't a big deal not playing meaningless one off tests mid year. End of season Tri Nations and an early season Anzac Test is a good program.

No excuses for Great Britain not playing France. But they are making moves in the correct direction with letting Les Catalans in and making room for a 2nd French club. Test matches should be on the agenda soon, but the clock is ticking and has been for the last decade they let cross channel test matches rot.

 

[Kingbunny]

I simply pointed out that the name "rugby" is far more widely recognised as being the 15 a-side game. Try this test, ask your mates whether they watched rugby or league (or footy) this weekend. The only ones to respond "rugby" will be the ones who watched rugby union. And so it is throughout the world, as far as I know. "Rugby league" is taken to mean a rugby union competition. So it makes it kind of tough to promote rugby league as a game, when the name has been taken by somebody else. This is a marketing issue, not an old school tie issue. Another name for it is "commonsense".

BULLSH*T pal!

Seems that you have a very short memory, like alot people. The term "Rugby" referring to Union has only been shoved down the public's throat by the media in Australia since about the time of the 2003 union world cup. This was due to the massive amounts of money spent on trying brainwashing Joe public by the IRUB. Before then the majority of people used the terms League and Union. And they still do.

In the UK they talk Rugby regardless of the code. In NZ they still need to be educated.

When people use the term Rugby in a discussion with me. I alway ask "League or Union". This is because that is the correct term to use, with Rugby as the prefix.

Also, perhaps you should do your research on the issues with the French game instead of being lazy and trying to have someone on this forum justifying your ignorance. I'm sure you'll find heaps of web pages on the topic if you use google with the search words - Vichy Rugby.

 

[Copa]

Woods 99 is a troll that has moved over from Planet Rugby where he posts under another name.... he acts all concerned for RL every now and then, throws around fallacious arguments, claims it alls just honest debate.... but his intent is as not as pure as he claims to be. There is no hnest debate when one side, ie Woods99, purely intends to undermine RL and push RU.

 

[DIEHARD]

BULLSH*T pal!

Seems that you have a very short memory, like alot people. The term "Rugby" referring to Union has only been shoved down the public's throat by the media in Australia since about the time of the 2003 union world cup. This was due to the massive amounts of money spent on trying brainwashing Joe public by the IRUB. Before then the majority of people used the terms League and Union. And they still do.

In the UK they talk Rugby regardless of the code. In NZ they still need to be educated.

When people use the term Rugby in a discussion with me. I alway ask "League or Union". This is because that is the correct term to use, with Rugby as the prefix.

Also, perhaps you should do your research on the issues with the French game instead of being lazy and trying to have someone on this forum justifying your ignorance. I'm sure you'll find heaps of web pages on the topic if you use google with the search words - Vichy Rugby.

Bloody f**king oath!

My recent Forum 7s article was on a similiar topic.

Rugby League: The Essence of Rugby


One thing that annoys me is when people continually refer to rugby union as rugby and rugby league as league. It makes rugby union sound like some sort of blue blooded pure bred form of rugby and leaves rugby league looking like a poor mongrel cousin that is hidden in the closet during the rugby family reunions. Even our own officials, players, coaches and rugby league aligned journalists are major offenders.

I believe we can trace the origin of the 'rugby' syndrome to private schools which totally shun the existence of the other rugby code. They arrogantly call themselves rugby which only spreads confusion among other sports fans. If you attend a private school that plays rugby union you can expect to be stuck in a time warp set to the year 1894, the year before northern rugby clubs broke away from the Rugby Football Union. The nasty habit of calling rugby union rugby follows the student through life spreading the disease of 'rugby' syndrome to other fans, friends and colleagues and even to the greater masses if they become journalists!

The fact is rugby league has just as much claim to the title of rugby as rugby union. Just because we broke away from the corrupt and oppressive administration of the Rugby Football League dominated by the upper classes and founded the Northern Rugby Union later to become the Rugby Football League does not signal a forfeit of our birthright to the name rugby.



In the popular myth created by rugby union, of how William Webb Ellis, a student at the Rugby School, with "a fine disregard for the rules" picked up the ball and ran during a game of soccer and thus created the game that would become rugby. And when other people saw this they wanted to be a part of it as well. The fundamental beauties of rugby, the running, passing, ball handling and footwork, the essence of rugby, it was these aspects that captured the hearts of players and spectators.



Surely when William was running with the ball in his hands, stepping and swerving away from opponents, things the code of rugby league boldly exhibits, the last thing on his mind would be kicking the ball out of the field of play, packing into a scrum or lining up yet another penalty kick at goal. Aspects cherished by our rugby union counterparts making it an uninspiring and dire spectacle. Rugby league celebrates the essence of rugby, rugby union shuns it.

We should never surrender our claim to rugby, we would be writing our surrender terms in the rugby war that has waged for over 100 years. We must fight on to the eternal infuriation of rugby union.

Some people believe we should change the name of our sport because we get confused with union who push themselves as the sole rugby. Many uninspiring names have been suggested over the years, ones that would bring much laughter to the offices of the Australian Rugby Union. We have to understand that we are what rugby is all about. Our game is built upon the facets that have brought player and fan alike to the game for over a century. We have to stick to our guns and show the world what rugby is really all about.

I'd prefer the word rugby to be used in a more generic since, not exclusive to either code of rugby but a term focusing on the fundamentals existing with both codes. Rugby league and casual sports fans have always been good when referring to either code as league or union. But this continual use of the term of rugby in exclusive reference to rugby union riles me and shows total lack of respect for rugby league!

So in future call rugby union, union or rugby union or even use one of the delightful derogatory terms devised by clever rugby league fans over the decades, click and clap, rah rah, yawnion, yawnyawn, or smugby...but don't call them rugby! Because every time you call them rugby, you might as will drive to the head office of the Australian Rugby Union in Sydney and give the CEO Gary Flowers a kiss on the cheek every time you say it.

Rugby league is not only the greatest game it is the very essence of rugby.

 

[League Freak™]

I think at the next TV deal a few major changes should be made.

1. Cut the NRL back to 22 Rounds.

2. Hold State Of Origin on a weekend all on its own.

3. Hold a NZ vs Pacific Islands Test series on the three weekends Origin is played.