Sharks fume as MP deserts project

[R2Coupe]

I tend to agree with this assessment which begs the question do the developers feel the same way? If they get the first 300 units will they be pushing hard for the rest? I don't know fellas, I smell a rat.

It would be a win win for the developer and local policitians. The statements by local members aren't against the development, just its scale and size .

300 units at 6 floors, directed towards a niche market (empty nestors, new retirees etc) sounds like a winner. "Waterfront Lifestyle".

 

[carcharias]

But the floods

Wouldn't matter if it were 2 story's.
Everyone will drown .

 

[St_Jubbsy]

So Capsis is the unelected deputy mayor? Did he impose himself Gaddafi style?

 

[Eion]

So Capsis is the unelected deputy mayor? Did he impose himself Gaddafi style?

Don't know, but I hope he gets ousted Gaddafi style.

Speaking of oust...

 

[carcharias]

So Capsis is the unelected deputy mayor? Did he impose himself Gaddafi style?

look I am not much up on politics but from what I can gather.
6 people in council voted.
Provan (a woman) is the Mayor ...even with the 6 people voting they still stuffed up the vote count and had to do it again.

But like I said I am not 100% on this....I am recalling from an article I read in the leader I think it was.

 

[newman]

It would be a win win for the developer and local policitians. The statements by local members aren't against the development, just its scale and size .

300 units at 6 floors, directed towards a niche market (empty nestors, new retirees etc) sounds like a winner. "Waterfront Lifestyle".

Just what the area needs! Hundreds more killjoy coffin dodgers like yourself! I am stridently opposed to this type of development. The floods! The floods! The traffic! How can anyone expect to get anywhere when there will be a cavalcade of white Camrys with hats on the parcel shelf inching along captain cook drive?

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

imo the biggest problem is the size. If sharks had no debt, would they be content with 300 units and 6 stories?

so whats your point here?

i would say....no. the developers would have done the research into what was needed to make money for them and us and make it a worth while venture.

if there was no debt..it would likely be the same. or slightly different but not smaller.

and why should the fact that we are in debt make a difference?

 

[St_Jubbsy]

look I am not much up on politics but from what I can gather.
6 people in council voted.
Provan (a woman) is the Mayor ...even with the 6 people voting they still stuffed up the vote count and had to do it again.

But like I said I am not 100% on this....I am recalling from an article I read in the leader I think it was.

So you have thrown that out there without actually knowing what happened? You aren't usually this loose with facts are you?

 

[carcharias]

So you have thrown that out there without actually knowing what happened? You aren't usually this loose with facts are you?

Actually the complete opposite you dumb fug.
I said I wasn't %100 sure but anyway read it for yourself.

http://www.theleader.com.au/news/lo...-mayor-elected-twice-in-one-week/2307825.aspx

SUTHERLAND Shire mayor Carol Provan has had to stand for re-election because of a technical problem — a week after being elected.

Cr Provan was re-elected unopposed at last Monday's council meeting after councillors resolved that the mayor had been elected incorrectly at the previous council meeting.
Originally, three councillors stood for mayor: Phil Blight, Lorraine Kelly and Carol Provan.
After Cr Blight was eliminated in the first ballot, Crs Kelly and Provan should have stood for another ballot but instead Cr Provan was declared mayor.
The result could have been challenged in the future, so the council decided to do the ballot again.
Cr Blight accused Cr Provan of giving all the important jobs of chairs of standing committees to Liberal Party members.
"If the council is in the stranglehold of the Liberal Party at least be honest and say that," he said. "It appears she is a puppet of the Liberal Party councillors who elected her.
"The council needs to be able to criticise the state government when necessary, not be under their influence."
The new chairs of the standing committees are: environment and planning, Cr Steve Simpson (independent); finance and management, Cr Kevin Schreiber (independent); services and facilities, Cr Kent Johns (independent); and community services, Cr George Capsis (Community First).
Cr Kelly said Cr Provan has had time to publicly criticise Shire Watch Independents but apparently has not had time to formally resign from the party.
"It may be an oversight on her part but she needs to make her intentions clear, especially to the community," Cr Kelly said.
Cr Provan said she had picked the best people for the job.
"We need to get things moving," she said. "We can tweak this in three months if things aren't working out.
"Previously the Liberals had said that the committee structure had favoured Labor.
"I'm just there to represent the people of Cronulla. "I'm prepared to listen to everybody."

http://www.theleader.com.au/news/local/news/general/lets-vote-for-the-mayor/2299932.aspx

A reader asks if the shire mayor should be popularly elected:

I refer to the Leader question on September 17 at the end of the article ‘‘Sutherland Shire mayor keen to keep top job’’, namely ‘‘Who do you think should be mayor?’’ At Monday night’s council meeting we saw yet another change of the guard, reflecting the deals done between the parties.
Another year, another mayor.
While I congratulate Councillor Provan as the new shire mayor for 2011-12, and wish her well, I didn’t have any opportunity to vote for (or against) her as my mayor in the 2008 council elections.
Neither did I, in 2008, get a chance to vote for (or against) Cr Kelly as mayor for 2008-10 or Cr Blight for 2010-11, simply because my ballot paper did not allow me.
Other residents in other council areas get a chance to vote for their mayors. Why can’t we, the people of the shire, choose our own mayor?
My answer to the Leader question is: the shire mayor should be the person who is democratically elected, directly by the people for the shire. J. Rowland, Sutherland

http://www.theleader.com.au/news/local/news/general/new-mayor-for-sutherland-shire/2297610.aspx

Councillor Carol Provan is the new mayor of Sutherland Shire, after defeating incumbent mayor Phil Blight and challenger Lorraine Kelly at a special council meeting last night.
Cr Provan, who was elected on the Shire Watch Independent ticket to council, secured eight of the 15 votes available, with three councillors voting for Cr Blight and four for Cr Kelly.
Community First councillor George Capsis defeated Cr Blight for the position of deputy mayor.
Cr Provan, who served a stint as shire president 23 years ago, said she was ‘humble and very proud’ to be mayor.
‘‘We live in the best part of Australia I believe, and we have a great community,’’ she said.
Cr Provan has lived in Sutherland Shire for more than 40 years, has two children and is the grandmother of three boys. She runs her own company and is a registered Marriage Celebrant. Cr Capsis is a lifelong resident of the shire, and works as a self-employed electrical contractor and ordained Baptist Minister.

http://www.theleader.com.au/news/lo...y-for-new-sutherland-shire-mayor/2299928.aspx

SUTHERLAND Shire’s new mayor Carol Provan said ailing infrastructure and the area’s ageing population were two of the most pressing concerns she would confront in the top job.
Councillor Provan, who was elected on the Shire Watch Independents ticket at the 2008 council election, defeated incumbent mayor Phil Blight (Labor) and fellow Shire Watch councillor Lorraine Kelly to secure the mayoralty at a special council meeting on Monday night.
Despite not receiving any votes from her Shire Watch team, Cr Provan netted eight votes, ahead of Cr Kelly (four votes) and Cr Blight (three votes).
Community First councillor George Capsis defeated Cr Blight eight votes to seven to secure the position of deputy mayor.
Cr Provan, a shire president 23 years ago, said she was ‘‘humble and very proud’’ to be mayor.
‘‘We live in the best part of Australia, I believe, and we have a great community,’’ she said.
Asked why she broke ranks with Shire Watch, she said she believed the group had become much like the other political parties on the council.
‘‘About six months ago I decided I didn’t like the pressure being put on me to vote a certain way. I decided in my last year on this council to be a true independent and not beholden to anyone,’’ Cr Provan said.
Describing himself as a ‘‘people person’’, Cr Capsis said the election of two independents to the top two jobs on the council represented a new era.
‘‘This has ended the ... stranglehold the ALP and Shire Watch had on the council,’’ Cr Capsis said.
‘‘It has made it more open.’’
The Leader sought comment from Cr Kelly about Cr Provan’s defection from the Shire Watch group, but she did not provide one.
Shire Watch Independents councillor Howard Boorman congratulated Cr Provan on her victory. He said while he was disappointed she had a negative experience with the party, this did not match his time with the party.
‘‘We are free to vote any way we choose on important and controversial issues as we have on numerous occasions in the past,’’ Cr Boorman said.
Cr Provan has lived in Sutherland Shire for more than 40 years, has two children and is the grandmother of three boys. She is a registered marriage celebrant.
Cr Capsis is a lifelong shire resident and is an electrical contractor and ordained Baptist minister. He was a keen weightlifter and won a gold medal at the Brisbane World Masters Games in 1993.

Is the new mayoral team a step in the right direction for the council?

http://www.theleader.com.au/news/lo...nd-shire-council-shakeup-planned/2322006.aspx

SUTHERLAND Shire Council could be in for some dramatic changes after councillors resolved on Monday to review the number of elected councillors, wards and even the way the mayor is elected.
Liberal councillor Kent Johns proposed the investigation at Monday night's full council meeting, noting changes to the Local Government Act had given councils new powers.
Councillors asked staff to prepare a report with recommendations about the optimal number of wards and councillors for Sutherland Shire.
"There is a new law, this council should review it," Cr Johns said.
He said the outcome recommended by the council could be put to a referendum.
Shire Watch Independents councillor Howard Boorman welcomed Cr Johns's motion and said the council should investigate the options presented by the changes.
Mayor Carol Provan said while she was open to change, her view was "if it ain't broke, don't try and fix it".
"We are always available to look at things we can do differently," Cr Provan said.
Labor councillor Jan Forshaw told the meeting she didn't see any reason for change given the council was functioning well as it was.
Sutherland Shire Council has 15 councillors elected across five wards. A mayor is elected each year by councillors.
The changes to the Local Government Act came into effect in August, giving councils the opportunity to administer their own elections and referendums, in addition to applying for approval to cut the number of councillors and abolish all wards without a constitutional referendum.
The council also resolved to administer its own elections next year, in light of the $880,000 fee the Electoral Commission charges for the service, if an appropriate returning officer can be found.
What What changes would you like made to the council’s electoral system?

 

[St_Jubbsy]

So Capsis was elected in a full vote of councillors. So you made your statement with some vague insight and after subsequent review, you have discovered you were wrong.

Just hope on other aspects here, you've been more certain of your information.

 

[rednblack]

So Capsis was elected in a full vote of councillors. So you made your statement with some vague insight and after subsequent review, you have discovered you were wrong.

Just hope on other aspects here, you've been more certain of your information.

I don't understand what carcharias' point is either.
If he's claiming that Capsis is an appointed, unelected deputy mayor, then he has just posted FIVE articles that say the exact opposite of his claims!

 

[St_Jubbsy]

It's a mystery.....

 

[carcharias]

the public didn't get to vote the bloke in.

mystery solved.

Look mate..Capsis has been in the local paper telling all and sundry about this big flood that once happened...and how it will happen again.
He used to work for the club..and left ...maybe there is a bit of animosity there.
He gets his letters printed in the local paper all the time bagging out the club.
He is deputy mayor,...unelected publicly from what I can gather...I dont recall voting in any such election recently.
He was all for a retirement village being built in the same spot with underground parking at one point.
Before the board at the club changed that is.

now he has backflipped.

axe to grind?

as long as I have been going there to watch footy ( early 80's) I have never seen it flood.
I was a lifesaver at Eloura right throughout school and have lived down there on numerous occasions...in all that time I never witnessed a flood.
I have sat through some of the most appaling weather imaginable out there.
One game against the Knights a few years ago was ridiculous...I thought the lights were going to blow over...and yet no flood.

A bloke using scaremongering tactics from his position on Council is not on.

The club has welcomed all comers to check out the proposal.
The developers will gladly answer all your questions ...give them a call or email them.
mailto:infoonsharks@straight-talk.com.au

plenty of info here for you http://www.infoonsharks.com.au/

 

[R2Coupe]

South Sydney Rabbitohs




2nd Jul 2011


Thank god for this sign at Shark Park! How else would we know what to do in a flood situation? Oh, the Shire.

 

[carcharias]

oh by the way ...

Sutherland Shire- Games on Wednesday 9th November have been cancelled due to councils closure of the fields. Please follow your draw for next weeks game time.
http://www.sutherlandshireoztag.com/index.php?page=1778

probably can't park a car on the feild either I'd imagine.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

you live there mate

refelection of the population. need to be told where to stand, whats good etc.

 

[Ausguy]

South Sydney Rabbitohs




2nd Jul 2011


Thank god for this sign at Shark Park! How else would we know what to do in a flood situation? Oh, the Shire.

You are a joke.

When did the place actually flood last?

 

[jason taylor]

R2Coupe must be Capsis

 

[St_Jubbsy]

the public didn't get to vote the bloke in.

mystery solved.

He was elected by the elected councillors....that is democracy and how a great proportion of mayors are elected.

Going by your theory, any political leader who isn't directly elected has no legitimacy. PMs, Premiers.....

 

[carcharias]

How many koalas have people seen on the road?
How many koala signs have people seen on the road?