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Sheens Contract ????

N.C.

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Didn't I read that article a few times already since 2005? Seriously, Benji is an idiot.
 

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All this talk of Tim being the best man for the job is beyond me.
The chances of the Tigers winning a premiership with Sheens at the helm are 100%.
The chances of the Tigers winning two premierships with Sheens at the helm are 0%.
If we're serious about rebuilding this team, then it has to start with the coach.
 

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All this talk of Tim being the best man for the job is beyond me.
The chances of the Tigers winning a premiership with Sheens at the helm are 100%.
The chances of the Tigers winning two premierships with Sheens at the helm are 0%.
If we're serious about rebuilding this team, then it has to start with the coach.

The fact of the matter is that we can win another premiership with Sheens being our coach. I have 100% confidence in that. I'm not a Sheens supporter however stating anything different is simply not true.

It is hard to win a comp. Anyone who is a Balmain or Wests supporter should know this.

Do I think he is the best person for the job - no. I don't think he is the best person for the job because we have had a crap year with a good bunch of players.
 

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You're gonna need to explain yourself Tiger05. Our chances of a second premiership with Sheens in charge were at an all time high in 2010 and 2011. Then Ellis announced his departure and we signed Anasta as a halfback. Don't get me wrong - I think halfback is the place to play him, since we bought him. I just wish we hadn't... Anyway, we are a long way off and will continue to be until Sheens releases us from his grasp. The best thing for it is to punt him and put someone in who can keep the place ticking over while we wait for our next super-coach to tap us on the shoulder... and before you choke on your weetbix let me just remind you that Terry Lamb is no longer in the trade. Forget it. Move on. There are plenty of able bodies out there if you're looking inside the square. The problem is that the Tigers never do. And that's a legacy of Sheens as much as it is anything else...
 

Tiger05

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You're gonna need to explain yourself Tiger05. Our chances of a second premiership with Sheens in charge were at an all time high in 2010 and 2011.

Basically Sheens has proven he can win premierships and 05 proved he can win them with a team that is not considered a team that can win the comp.

A lot of coaches simply can't do this or better put haven't had a squad that can win the comp. You need the players and then you need some luck and then you need the coach to not stuff it up and hopefully help them gel. Sheens can do this.
 

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With a talented squad and a little bit of luck, any coach is capable of doing what Sheens did in 2005.
Not every coach is capable of doing what Sheens did in 2006, 2007, 2008 , 2009 and 2012 without being told to f**k off by their club.
How many more years before we get another run like we had in 2005, 2010 or 2011?
Quite simply, the chances of any real, prolongued success as a club increase with every year that draws us closer to the end of Sheens' contract. Whenever the f**k that might be.
 

super_coach

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The game changes but Sheens dosnt, if we want to go forward we have to flick Sheens at what ever cost. We need to embrace a new style and a new culture and we will not get them from Sheens.
Humpty/the board do us a favor tomorrow is Monday, start the week fresh and flick Sheens and his support team
 

TYGA

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He has the club wedged recognises he should stan down however, realises they don't have the cash for a payout and rehire of all support staff. Smart operator and will continue as coach for 2 more years. May as well kill the thread however, if the club complete a proper review they would implement an NFL type system around the coach to ensure all he does is coach game day.
 

Tiger05

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With a talented squad and a little bit of luck, any coach is capable of doing what Sheens did in 2005.

I'm not convinced that it is that easy. Like I said earlier if you were an old Wests or Balmain fan you would realise how hard it is.

When Sheens gets a stable good quality team around him he is willing to try different stuff and go out and win games. Some coaches don't seem to do this. Of course luck plays a part as well but not every coach has proven they can win comps.

To me Sheens problem is that he has troubles getting that stable good quality squad around him and it is more than partly his fault.

For next year though we have a good team and he must be feeling the pressure. I still think if he puts some pace into the backline, we have the forwards and playmakers to win the comp.
 

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In 2005 Sheens had nothing to lose, and to his great credit he was prepared to chance his arm.
In 2012 Sheens had it all to lose, and to his great detriment he always took the conservative option.

As for 'realising how hard it is...' - I am not prepared to let countless years of disappointment cloud my judgement in what is a very different set of circumstances. Let's not patronise each other with that kind of twaddle... what do you say?
 

Tiger05

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In 2005 Sheens had nothing to lose, and to his great credit he was prepared to chance his arm.
In 2012 Sheens had it all to lose, and to his great detriment he always took the conservative option.

I think that this sums up the problem with Sheens.

As for patronising I think it is simply true that winning a comp is hard. Good teams still fail to win the comp.
 

N.C.

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Yes. Winning the comp is hard. Making the finals is easy. Unless you are a Tiger, apparently...
 

Matchball

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I hope they track down maxpower118 and it turns out to be Sheens trying to deflect attention away from his abismal season.
That would be awesome.
 

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I think this makes a nice follow-up to Benji's little plea to give Sheens a chance the other day.

Player power shouldn't make coaching a popularity contest


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David Furner ... managed to overcome difficult relationships with some of his players at the Raiders. Photo: Karleen Minney


As the Raiders prepare for Saturday night's clash with South Sydney, Canberra officials should be grateful fate intervened to prevent them from listening to disgruntled players and sacking coach David Furner.
Brian Smith's axing last week has highlighted the rise of ''player power'' in determining the future of coaches, with Sydney Roosters officials saying they had no alternative because he had ''lost the dressing room''.
It was a similar situation with Brian McLennan at the Warriors - ''Bluey'' was a popular figure at the start of the season but the Herald has been told that by the time of his departure the players ''couldn't stand him''.
Relationships may have not been that strained at Canberra but support for Furner was tested when he stood down Josh Dugan and Blake Ferguson for disciplinary reasons mid-season. After winning just four of their opening 12 matches, the Raiders began lining up Ricky Stuart and only his decision to accept the Parramatta job after Stephen Kearney's sacking changed those plans.
But what gives any player the right to decide the fate of their coach if their careers haven't reached any heights of greatness or aren't performing on the field?
At the Roosters, veteran fullback Anthony Minichiello is the sole survivor from the 2002 premiership-winning team and while skipper Braith Anasta won a grand final with the Bulldogs in 2004, he is leaving to join Wests Tigers next season.
Halfback Mitchell Pearce has worn the NSW No.7 jersey in the past eight Origin matches but the Blues have not won a series since 2005 and his spot in the team is far from guaranteed next season.
After returning to Sydney with the NSW team after Origin III, Pearce had to be convinced to go from the airport to a meeting with Smith about the Roosters next game against Cronulla, which ended in an embarrassing 14-all draw after neither he or Blues five-eighth Todd Carney could kick a field goal in extra time.
The Roosters, who boast the NRL's youngest roster, won just two of their remaining eight games.
After negative feedback from the players during a review last week, the Roosters reversed an earlier decision to give Smith a chance to work with Sonny Bill Williams next season and fired a coach who had overseen more than 600 premiership games and taken three clubs to four grand finals, including the Roosters in 2010.
In his place, they have appointed Trent Robinson - a coach with great promise, who has taken Catalans to back-to-back finals series in Super League and was a popular choice among the players.
But Robinson and the Roosters need only look across the Tasman to see how fickle players are, as McLennan's appointment to replace the hard-nosed Ivan Cleary this season was enthusiastically welcomed at the Warriors. Like the Roosters, the Warriors have a young squad that this season featured 11 members of their 2010 and 2011 under-20s premiership-winning teams.
The Herald has been told McLennan changed almost everything the Warriors had done under Cleary and the players initially appreciated that they trained less and the sessions weren't as hard.
But they failed to perform for him and in hindsight some within the club feel the Warriors should have promoted Cleary's assistant coach Tony Iro, in the same way Manly replaced Des Hasler with his offsider Geoff Toovey.
Toovey lobbied the Sea Eagles board to ensure key members of the coaching staff remained and he has maintained most of the structures Hasler put in place with great success this season given what the club has had to endure on and off the field.
The Warriors retained Iro as McLennan's assistant and he is now the preferred choice of the players to take over next season.
Iro is considered a good coach who is ready for the step up to the top job but coaching in the NRL shouldn't be a popularity contest.


The Tigers are not mentioned in the article, although the Warriors are. The popularity of a coach should work both ways - not just whether to sack one but also as the basis for hanging onto an underperformer.
 

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