Should Darren Lockyer be picked for the ANZAC test?

[Meanie]

You must remember Bennetts shockingly bad gameplan, as even identified by Channel 9 commentators early in the match, and by newspaper columns the next day.

I remember the atrocious ball handling which no gameplan would've made up for.

Also with some of the team selections, where Bennetts mates were chosen over more worthy players.

You mean Gasnier? Oh, Cooper? Oh, Minichello? Oh, King? Oh, Barrett? Oh, Gower? Ohhh, Buderus? Mason was the only one that was a "Mate" selection, Wing and Fitzgibbon were the only ones who got in despite questionable form.

It's funny how Broncos fans think whenever Lockyer loses a game as captain it isn't his fault, but when anybody else does it's the captains fault.

People blamed Lockyer for Origin, inspite of a lack of help. By that logic people should blame Buderus, inspite of the fact Buderus wasn't responsible for everyones ball handling that day. Unless of course that logic is flawed which, of course, it is. ;-)

 

[Razor]

Mason was the only one that was a "Mate" selection,

Tate and Civo?

 

[Kiwi]

Tate and Civo?

And what did Tate do on tour?

 

[Kiwi]

Tate and Civo?

well Johns was selected in a rep team whilst out of form, didn't hear you whinging then.

 

[Razor]

And what did Tate do on tour?

Exactly. What did he do? Why was he picked?

well Johns was selected in a rep team whilst out of form, didn't hear you whinging then.

Obviously you have a bad memory. Back several years ago when he was picked in Origin coming back from injury and in poor form, I said he shouldn't have been picked.

You might want to improve your memory a bit.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Under this hokey logic, Stacey Jones and Robbie Paul would never have played for NZ (they always defend out in the centres), and without Jones NZ would not have won the tests they did AND the Tri Nations Final.

It isn't that simple.

Agreed. And for at least 3 or 4 years Jones has been one of the worst defenders you will ever see. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't have him.

 

[Kiwi]

Exactly. What did he do? Why was he picked?



Obviously you have a bad memory. Back several years ago when he was picked in Origin coming back from injury and in poor form, I said he shouldn't have been picked.

You might want to improve your memory a bit.

You obviously need to improve yours, Tate was great in the tri nations.

Johns last year before origin 2 was selected out of form and after returning from injury.

Going by your logic Johns should not have played Origin last year.

 

[Razor]

Johns last year before origin 2 was selected out of form and after returning from injury.

Going by your logic Johns should not have played Origin last year.

Yes he should have been picked in that match.

Tate was great in the tri nations.

No he wasn't

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

I didn't think you could top the lies & crap you have posted the last couple of days Razor .... but you have over achieved again ...

Tate played very well on the tri nations tour,so i don't know what games you were watching..

 

[Razor]

Tate played very well on the tri nations tour,so i don't know what games you were watching..

Watch the matches again and take a look at his "brilliant" defensive efforts.

 

[Mr Saab]

Razor you are more obsessed with Lockyer/Bennett/Broncos than you are with the Knights and Johns.
Give it up you sad lying prick.

 

[Kiwi]

Yes he should have been picked in that match.

But wait we should pick players on form, Johns was clearly out of form and just returning from an injury. Oh I see, one rule for Knights players, and one rule for other players.

No he wasn't

Yes he was, clearly your biased views are at it again.

 

[macavity]

and Bedsy's origin captaincy record?

... and Lockyers?

and their missed tackle counts? anyone?

not a broncos and NZ fan are you kiwi, never tell... :roll: :lol:

 

[Kiwi]

and Bedsy's origin captaincy record?

... and Lockyers?

I guess we'll come to that when they play origin, right now we are talking about a test match

not a broncos and NZ fan are you kiwi, never tell... :roll: :lol:

Read what I said on page 1, as a kiwi fan I would rather he didn't play, because I know what will happen, he'll kill us, as Broncos fan, I would rather he didn't, less rep games he has to play this year, and I would love it if he retired from rep footy, as a fan of rep footy I want him there.

 

[jamesgould]

Buderus lead Australia to its first series defeat in decades. I think his spectacular missed tackle at 1st marker, which allowed Nigel Vagana to score a run away try, said it all about his performance.

Case closed.

Since when should a missed tackle at marker lead to a runaway try of thaat magnitude?

I see dummy-half runs when the markers are missing every week in the NRL, it's the defensive line's job to make up if a marker has been unable to get in position or make an effective tackle because of a quick play the ball.

Case closed.

 

[jamesgould]

Funny how in discussions like this people point out Lockyer's failings, but act as if anyone they mention to replace him has no failings.

Well according to Wally Lewis, Thurston is the best player in the game, so he has little or no failings! ;-)

 

[jamesgould]

But wait we should pick players on form, Johns was clearly out of form and just returning from an injury. Oh I see, one rule for Knights players, and one rule for other players.



Yes he was, clearly your biased views are at it again.

Johns was selected in the 2nd origin game because of a lack or options due to a large injury toll ... a toll which Australia does not have for their test side right now, because Thurston is playing so well and knocking down the door for a spot.

Tate was good on attack and poor in defence on the tri-nations tour - in the end his defence was shown up in the final and his attack was nullified, as the nil scoreline illustrates. Take a look at the replay if you've forgotten.

In my opinion, it's hard to believe there wasn't a better winger going around the NRL ... Tate is a centre, after all.

 

[Razor]

Razor you are more obsessed with Lockyer/Bennett/Broncos than you are with the Knights and Johns.
Give it up you sad lying prick.

Do you actually read what you type Saab? You are the one obssessed with knocking any player who isn't a Bronco.

And Broncos fans can't admit the undeniable. Bennett had a sh*t gameplan in the tri-nations final and Tate's defence was disgraceful for the entire tournament.

 

[Kiwi]

Johns was selected in the 2nd origin game because of a lack or options due to a large injury toll ... a toll which Australia does not have for their test side right now, because Thurston is playing so well and knocking down the door for a spot.

Tate was good on attack and poor in defence on the tri-nations tour - in the end his defence was shown up in the final and his attack was nullified, as the nil scoreline illustrates. Take a look at the replay if you've forgotten.

In my opinion, it's hard to believe there wasn't a better winger going around the NRL ... Tate is a centre, after all.

So who was injured out of the following?

Gower, Orford, Kimmorley, Finch, Monaghan and Sherwin

 

[perverse]

So who was injured out of the following?

Gower, Orford, Kimmorley, Finch, Monaghan and Sherwin

i'm embarressed for my state that you mentioned finch and monaghan.. even sherwin.. and kimmorley was the one that got dropped (ie they didnt want him).
gower and orford are the only 2 that had a legitimate claim.. and their teams werent exactly setting the world on fire.