Side v sleeping Dogs - R13

[Reek_Havoc]

Did I say that?

A real man admits when he is wrrrrrrrrong...

Your last few comments remind me of Shames. Take off those black and white goggles and admit defeat.

 

[Tiger Hawk]

Tell you what sweet heart. I'll give you a chance to find a quote about me thinking anything of Pillow other than he would be a much better player in the second row before I start on you.

Fifita is a plodder. The bloke simply refuses to take hit ups when we are under the pump. This is all well and good if we've got a full catalogue of big boys, but this never happens. The guy didn't take a single hit up in the first 10 minutes of the Bulldogs game as a starting prop. In this time Fulton had gone full steam into the defence at least 3 times. This is embarrassing at best.

Luckily Gibbs took on his workload for him, or we'd have been embarrassed. I reckon he would be the only prop in first grade EVER, to not take a hit up in the first 10.

FMD you are such a biased little princess it isn't funny. It's taken Gibbs 6 years to get to where he is now - 6 mostly frustrating years. Yet you are ready to immediately compare Gibbs (and Fulton) to Fifita based on their performances now.

But seeing as you've compared Fifita to Gibbs princess, tell me why the plodder has 4x as many tackle breaks or 3x as many line breaks in less minutes than Gibbs, and averages more runs and the same number of tackles per minute on the field? Not bad for a plodder. Oh, no doubt all of those extra line breaks and tackle breaks are a result of Gibbs' and Fulton's work.

As I said at the time of that Dogs game, you came on here straight afterwards and criticised the f**k out of Fifita yet had not made a single comment about him the previous couple of weeks after he'd performed well in limited minutes off the bench. Yet one poor showing from a 20 year old rookie prop and that axe is sharpened and ready to grind yet again. And, several weeks after that Dogs game, you've still only got that one example to whinge about.

So very pathetic.

 

[Trollhammaren]

Does Sheens continually pick a specialist winger on the bench because he doesn't want to pick a forward from outside our 25 man squad? Thus creating some minor salary cap drama?

This constantly perplexes me. I don't see the bloody point.

 

[westie]

FMD you are such a biased little princess it isn't funny. It's taken Gibbs 6 years to get to where he is now - 6 mostly frustrating years. Yet you are ready to immediately compare Gibbs (and Fulton) to Fifita based on their performances now.

But seeing as you've compared Fifita to Gibbs princess, tell me why the plodder has 4x as many tackle breaks or 3x as many line breaks in less minutes than Gibbs, and averages more runs and the same number of tackles per minute on the field? Not bad for a plodder. Oh, no doubt all of those extra line breaks and tackle breaks are a result of Gibbs' and Fulton's work.

As I said at the time of that Dogs game, you came on here straight afterwards and criticised the f**k out of Fifita yet had not made a single comment about him the previous couple of weeks after he'd performed well in limited minutes off the bench. Yet one poor showing from a 20 year old rookie prop and that axe is sharpened and ready to grind yet again. And, several weeks after that Dogs game, you've still only got that one example to whinge about.

So very pathetic.

Fulton was a top performer right from the word go, because he isn't a f**king prop you dope.

I've spent the last 6 years saying Gibbs wouldn't come good till his mid-20s... and now you're trying to turn that around on me. You are worse than pathetic, you're just making stuff up. Go play in traffic.

I criticise a dude for playing off the back of other peoples' work - and you provide stats that would indicate I'm correct. I'm confused, what are you arguing again? If you really want to play the stats game, I'll be fair and compare him to reserve grade props, something more his standard... and trust me, you don't want to do that.

You seem to take such notice of my posts, you'd then have noticed that I have almost exclusively not commented after games, especially losses, because most people have the same opinions as I these days. It's only the special things like Moltzen at 1 and Fifita's "effort" when we needed him that get me riled.

 

[westie]

A real man admits when he is wrrrrrrrrong...

Your last few comments remind me of Shames. Take off those black and white goggles and admit defeat.

Quote please. Or you'll admit you were wrong.

From the first minute we saw Cayless had lost half his body weight we all were disappointed. Fifita wasn't even in the equation then so I fail to see the relevance.

 

[b.bear]

get a room !!!

 

[Tiger Hawk]

Sorry - how do the stats I've provided indicate that he plays off the back of other people's work? Just clear that up for us. All his runs, tackle breaks, line breaks, off-loads, tackles and so on are the result of other people's work are they? I was only kidding when I said you'd say that, but incredibly, you just have!

Oh, and why does Gibbs get 6 years to "come good", but Fifita doesn't? Why does Gibbs get to his mid-20s, but Fifita is denigrated at 20? Come on princess, explain your double standards. That's the whole point - you play favourites more than anybody on here.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Oh, and why does Gibbs get 6 years to "come good", but Fifita doesn't? Why does Gibbs get to his mid-20s, but Fifita is denigrated at 20? Come on princess, explain your double standards. That's the whole point - you play favourites more than anybody on here.

its like how collis was made look bad because we dont attack to the right, but ayshford playing right center looked bad because he is bad.

 

[andrew9148]

Fifita goes pretty good for a 20 year old front rower. Not sure how many other 20 year old front rowers are going as good as him out there.

 

[N.C.]

its like how collis was made look bad because we dont attack to the right, but ayshford playing right center looked bad because he is bad.

I dunno, Daniela made Ayshford look pretty bad the other night. Westie might be onto something...

 

[westie]

I dunno, Daniela made Ayshford look pretty bad the other night. Westie might be onto something...

We played right against a sh*t side.... Ayshford would have done just as well... Maybe.

Vic - The difference is, Collis is clearly good, where as Ayshford is clearly average.

 

[westie]

Sorry - how do the stats I've provided indicate that he plays off the back of other people's work? Just clear that up for us. All his runs, tackle breaks, line breaks, off-loads, tackles and so on are the result of other people's work are they? I was only kidding when I said you'd say that, but incredibly, you just have!

Oh, and why does Gibbs get 6 years to "come good", but Fifita doesn't? Why does Gibbs get to his mid-20s, but Fifita is denigrated at 20? Come on princess, explain your double standards. That's the whole point - you play favourites more than anybody on here.

Shall I make it simpler for you? He's not playing a front row role, while taking a front row position. For a man of his size, I find this unacceptable. I wouldn't care if he got pumped and didn't make metres, as long as he had a crack. The dude isn't even running when we need him. He's a luxury player at this stage, something we have too much of when we've got limited front row stocks. Consider it, everyone else has since the JV began.

Fifita does get till his mid-20s to come good. Just not in FG. Understand? There's a bunch of rough nuts in the reserve teams who may have less ability, but will perform to a far higher standard in FG in the department we desperately need. Go forward and intimidation!

We don't need line breaks from our front row when we're up by 30. We need some knuckle heads who are going to save a game when we're in the trenches. No one can say they've ever considered Fifita capable of this.

Must I dumb everything down to alleviate your worries of favouritism?

 

[Reek_Havoc]

Westie, you're a bad judge on talent. You've bagged Moltzen, Ashyford and now Lui and Fafita. All have been playing well considering coming from (NYC). You can talk as much as you want on this but it's just jibberish.

You wrap Fulton and Collis, both were crap the last time they were with us. Fulton is playing solid this year but will probably still miss out when all forwards are fit.

 

[tigers_are_premiers]

Fifita still has a long way to go.. He is very undisciplined..given away a penalty or 2 at the wrong end of the field, and got a way with a few too.. I think with some more experience he will be a force...but not yet..

 

[Reek_Havoc]

Fifita still has a long way to go.. He is very undisciplined..given away a penalty or 2 at the wrong end of the field, and got a way with a few too.. I think with some more experience he will be a force...but not yet..

You see him as undisciplined. I just see him as enthusiastic. Sometimes he can become over zealous when he tries to assert his authority being in the front row and he steps over the line. It's a fine line. If he were an experienced player and still giving away the same penalties then fair enough. No big drama.

 

[tigers_are_premiers]

We cant afford stupid penalties 20m metres out especially on the 5th tackle.. Thats the type of penalties i'm talking about...

Don't get me wrong...im one of his biggest fans... Every time he gets the ball I'm yelling out FIFITA.... The whole neighbourhood can hear me...lol

 

[westie]

Westie, you're a bad judge on talent. You've bagged Moltzen, Ashyford and now Lui and Fafita. All have been playing well considering coming from (NYC). You can talk as much as you want on this but it's just jibberish.

You wrap Fulton and Collis, both were crap the last time they were with us. Fulton is playing solid this year but will probably still miss out when all forwards are fit.

I said they'd be sh*t this year. To a man, they have. Moltzen was incompetent at best. I used to compare him to a less talented Kevvy McGuiness, but I saw Kevvy put a good hit on in the classic match last night, so I won't be doing him the dis-service of comparing him to a guy who refuses to tackle. Ayshford offers nothing more than you or I. Lui and Fifita look NRL standard when we're going well and park standard when we're losing or in a battle.

2 of them are guys who, in a few years, will be good luxury players. We already have plenty of these kinds of guys, all of who are 10 times better. We have failed to make the 8 because have lacked grunt in the forwards and class at 1 and 7. And you want these guys in? FMD. It must be like the last 5 years haven't happened for you.

I can think of plenty of players who were crap with us who went on to bigger and better things once they left. Most of them with their national teams. What's your point?

 

[Reek_Havoc]

What's your point?

I thought you knew the game better than that.

"Moltzen was incompetent at best"

"Ayshford offers nothing more than you or I"

"they'd be sh*t this year" (I'm assuming you're talkn bout Lui and Fafita)

Seriously, with comments like those it's gonna be hard to read any of your posts in the future. You lack knowledge of the game. Simple as that.

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Tiger Hawk]

Shall I make it simpler for you? He's not playing a front row role, while taking a front row position. For a man of his size, I find this unacceptable. I wouldn't care if he got pumped and didn't make metres, as long as he had a crack. The dude isn't even running when we need him. He's a luxury player at this stage, something we have too much of when we've got limited front row stocks. Consider it, everyone else has since the JV began.

Ok, I'll bite - can you point out one instance, other than the start of the Dogs match, where he hasn't played a front row role or had a crack. And you still haven't actually explained how his line breaks, tackle breaks, runs, off-loads etc come on the back of other players' work.

Fifita does get till his mid-20s to come good. Just not in FG. Understand? There's a bunch of rough nuts in the reserve teams who may have less ability, but will perform to a far higher standard in FG in the department we desperately need. Go forward and intimidation!

So Fifita doesn't get to come good in first grade.....but you had no problem with Gibbs getting that long, despite years of mediocre at best production. Ok.....go magpies!

And averaging a solid 80 metres in 30 minutes off the bench, with a good couple of don't argues and tackle busts thrown in isn't a) go forward and intimidation, or b) exactly what's needed off the bench?

We don't need line breaks from our front row when we're up by 30. We need some knuckle heads who are going to save a game when we're in the trenches. No one can say they've ever considered Fifita capable of this.

Must I dumb everything down to alleviate your worries of favouritism?

Jesus your generalisation of this guy is incredible. So on top of all his metres, tackles, line breaks and so on coming on the back of other players', now they only come when we're up by 30 to boot - despite us being in that position just once this year! I suppose his performances against the Eels in a tight contest, against the Raiders in a come from behind victory and against the Roosters in a close match out at Campbelltown were aberrations.

Add to that we've got bog-standard but supremely fit players like Gibbs to actually throw out there to meet the "knuckle head" criteria. Would have thought you'd appreciate Fifita for the extra dimension he brought to the side, much like how you appreciated Te'o?

 

[macnaz]

Westie Westie Westie , No wonder you get a bad rap from most people here.... When you say sh*t like ayshford has done nothing etc i can see why. Are you even watching the games ??? Please explain what he is supposed to be doin wrong because i cant see to much he is doin wrong. He is very good defencively and getting better by the week and in attack he beats he man more times than not and has a good offload or has his hands free to offload but his deadsh*t winger is never there which isnt his fault, i guess he could just throw it over the sideline like Collis was doin every friggin game before he left.