Slow-Mo of Crocker/Slater Hit on Stewart

[CharlieF]

I was wondering the same considering it wasn't a cheap shot. Fullbacks are fair game so long as they're not in mid air at the time.

So what are you personally going to do to reverse or influence future decisions based on tackles of a similar nature?

Bugger all. Thats why I'm now going to concentrate my energies on the "Hasler's Tie" thread. See if we can get a change there.

 

[Spike]

Good for you, keep the dream alive

 

[Danish]

There is only one man in league who could ever get suspended for that hit....

but Morley is playing in the ESL now

Shoulder charge making contact to the head is NOT illegal nor a dog act. Look at the hits of the year from 2004 & 2005. Both SBW and Morley clock Clinton and Guttenbiel in the head with the shoulder. No one complained about them at the time.

Perhaps someone should teach Stewart to JUMP when taking a bomb under pressure instead of sh*tting his pants and trying to find the floor? Would have avoided the entire situation.

 

[Spike]

Perhaps someone should teach Stewart to JUMP when taking a bomb under pressure instead of sh*tting his pants and trying to find the floor? Would have avoided the entire situation.

And an unnecessary change of underwear

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Great shot, thank you for showing it again.

 

[CharlieF]

There is only one man in league who could ever get suspended for that hit....

but Morley is playing in the ESL now

Shoulder charge making contact to the head is NOT illegal nor a dog act. Look at the hits of the year from 2004 & 2005. Both SBW and Morley clock Clinton and Guttenbiel in the head with the shoulder. No one complained about them at the time.

Perhaps someone should teach Stewart to JUMP when taking a bomb under pressure instead of sh*tting his pants and trying to find the floor? Would have avoided the entire situation.

They were f**kin torpedo kicks. A bit hard to jump for them. You honestly going to compare a tackle on a fullback that the player could not defend against to one on a forward running the ball up with his hands and legs free to do what they want. I don't know where the line for dog acts gets crossed, but he's there somewhere.

 

[Eagle_Rocker]

There is only one man in league who could ever get suspended for that hit....

but Morley is playing in the ESL now

Shoulder charge making contact to the head is NOT illegal nor a dog act. Look at the hits of the year from 2004 & 2005. Both SBW and Morley clock Clinton and Guttenbiel in the head with the shoulder. No one complained about them at the time.

Perhaps someone should teach Stewart to JUMP when taking a bomb under pressure instead of sh*tting his pants and trying to find the floor? Would have avoided the entire situation.

I would like to see you take that catch, if that wasn't guts then I don't know what is. Its pretty tough of you to sit behind your keyboard and take the piss out of a bloke who stood his ground, and put his body on the line when 2 blokes were charging straight at him.

I think next year we'll be seeing a few more fullbacks taken out of the game, if those tactics are used by all coaches. Why bother contesting the bomb when you can stall your run for 2 seconds and take out the fullback the second he catches the ball. That tackle no matter where it collected him would more often then not have the player taken off the field. He could have come in with his arms open to affect a strong tackle, but he came in leading with the shoulder and a half crocked elbow, and with no interest where the ball was he was just lucky that it was it Stewart's arms when he got to him.

I still cant understand why everyone thinks it was so tough from crocker. Even if you think it was fair and legal, how hard is it to put your shoulder into a smaller bloke when he is standing there not even a second after a catch and is in no position to protect himself. If crocker had done the same to any one of the Manly players when they were running towards him I would applaud him, but what he did was hardly tough and anyone that thinks so is a cat. Then there was cross and his eye gouging on Stewart in the first half, not hard to see what player they were targeting to take out.

Melbourne were the much better team regardless and I'm sure would have won regardless, we played by far our worst game of the year, it was terrible. They did what they thought they had to to win the game, and they did, just as they have done all year. They totally deserve to win the premiership. However, Manly fans aren't the only ones not happy certain aspects of their game against Melbourne. Only last week Parramatta were angry with the arm pulling, Brisbane weren't happy with the grapple or crusher or whatever other stupid name the media gave it.

 

[Canard]

Melbourne were the much better team regardless and I'm sure would have won regardless, we played by far our worst game of the year, it was terrible. They did what they thought they had to to win the game, and they did, just as they have done all year. They totally deserve to win the premiership. However, Manly fans aren't the only ones not happy certain aspects of their game against Melbourne. Only last week Parramatta were angry with the arm pulling, Brisbane weren't happy with the grapple or crusher or whatever other stupid name the media gave it.

Thats because those teams lost.

If there is one trueism in Rugby League is whinging after a loss, (I do it as much as the next bloke).

"Its never "your" teams fault it those other cheating b*stards or the biased ref."



"There is no honour in Rugby League anymore, just whinging merkins" - Canard 2007

 

[[furrycat]]

Just wondering why Crocker had the need to apologise to Stuart if he thought it wasn't a cheap shot?

...Because he got injured as a result?
Its showing gamesmanship.

 

[Dutchy]

AM i the only Manly fan who thinks there was nothing wrong with the tackle?

just an unfortunate result...

 

[Eagle_Rocker]

Thats because those teams lost.

If there is one trueism in Rugby League is whinging after a loss, (I do it as much as the next bloke).

"Its never "your" teams fault it those other cheating b*stards or the biased ref."



"There is no honour in Rugby League anymore, just whinging merkins" - Canard 2007

I think we would have lost regardless, I said that. We played terribly and were obviously overawed by the occassion. I was extremely disappointed with the Manly players after such a great season to perform like that.

However, I still think crocker's tackle was designed to have Stewart back in the sheds early. Also, I still think that hitting a bloke like that, when they are in no position to protect themselves, is not tough.

 

[kav]

I believe Slater hit him high and was the main culprit. Stewart was falling from Slater's hit when Crocker came in to finish him off. Whether Crocker's head shot was accidental or deliberate is not clear as Stewart was already falling but, in any case, Slater should have been penalised.

Kav

 

[innsaneink]

Yeh...penalised for a ball and all tackle...pfft.

Straighten your skirt!

 

[Azkatro]

They were f**kin torpedo kicks. A bit hard to jump for them. You honestly going to compare a tackle on a fullback that the player could not defend against to one on a forward running the ball up with his hands and legs free to do what they want. I don't know where the line for dog acts gets crossed, but he's there somewhere.

I think at the end of the day the blame rests with his Manly teammates. He had no support from blokes shielding/shepharding the chasers hence Slater and Crocker had a clear run straight at the target. Maybe that's why Manly forwards didn't fire up after the hit.. because it was half their fault he got smashed anyway.

 

[kav]

Yeh...penalised for a ball and all tackle...pfft.

Straighten your skirt!

So you believe hitting someone around the head (while they are extremely vulnerable) is a manly act? Just look where Slater's arm is in relation to Stewart's head ie above it. These sort of tackles are used by the media to drag our game down, especially if they escape penalty

Kav

 

[eels_fan_01]

Heres two Q and A's Manly fans need to accept.

Was it a legal tackle? Yes it was.

Would Manly have won had this tackle not have happened? No they wouldnt.

I find it funny that some people called this the turning point of the game considering Storm had this game won in my opinion after the first 15, I dont care if Manly were 6 or 20 behind they were playing terribly and Storm were playing too good.

 

[bulldog]

AM i the only Manly fan who thinks there was nothing wrong with the tackle?

just an unfortunate result...

I bloody well hope not, I'd like to think there are more of you out there who can applaud Stewart for standing his ground and taking the catch when he knew he was going to get hammered and appreciate the ferocious but legal hit put on him.

 

[LESStar58]

In that super slow-mo there looks to be a head clash between Stewart and Slater before Crocker comes in for the shoulder charge. Remember Menzies and Bell colliding in Origin 2last year? Looks like Billy's cheekbone makes contact with Stewarts head a split second before Mick came in for the charge.

I think it's a perfectly legal hit but there may have been a hint of offside play by Crocker. He came through out of the line pretty quick smart. I'm still adamant that Stewart's concussion may have been bought about by Billy taking him around the head/head collison as he fell.

I'm also thinking that if Crocker had come across to make a ball and all tackle and help wrap Stewart up, theres every chance he could have got him high as he fell so opted for the shoulder charge instead. Had Crocker taken Stewart high with his arms (as oppossed to the shoulder charge), the result may not have changed (ie Stewart would still have been out cold) but had Crocker been penalised or, at worst, sent off the momentum could have turned in a big way.

Yes, the timing of which the incident occured favoured Melbourne as they were only up by 6 at that stage but had Storm been a man down as oppossed to Manly we could have had a far more different ball game.

There's a nuffy in TFC at the moment who thinks this tackle will hurt the game because mothers won't let their sons play rugby league and also that Stewart's selection as Australian full-back was a symapthy vote for coming out and saying "no hard feelings" etc in the media. He's an AFL troll, so go figure.

Nice to see a bit of common sense and intelligent debate going on about the tackle in the NRL forum.

 

[NK Arsenal]

The slowest ever slow-mo

 

[Danish]

I would like to see you take that catch, if that wasn't guts then I don't know what is. Its pretty tough of you to sit behind your keyboard and take the piss out of a bloke who stood his ground, and put his body on the line when 2 blokes were charging straight at him.

I would have liked to see Stewart take it too....


But unfortunately he dropped the ball cold. I've no idea how Manly ended up with the ball on that one.