I didn't say Crocker is a saint.CharlieF said:You are kidding.
So Crocker is a saint.
Johnny Bravo said:He dropped down over half a foot in very short time when he was already crouched, at the time of impact he would have been about 4.5 foot. If Ryan's shot on Ryles was legal, this one certainly was.
Either way, if Stewart was fully upright, Crocker would have hit him in the stomach.
I saw nothing in it to think it was a deliberate cheap shot. It looked like some great aggression in a chase trying to inspire his side. It worked a treat.
Anyone who is whinging about that shot is either
a. A manly supporter clutching at straws.
b. A crocker hater, of which there are many.
c. A whinger for the sake of whinging.
Lego_Man said:I think it's clear to see there that the severity of the hit came from Stewart's head being compressed between Crocker's shoulder/chest and Slater's head. There's minimal contact to Stewart's head (if any) from Crockers arm.
I don't disagree with you whatsoever.Iafeta said:How come it's the tacklers responsibility in a spear tackle situation (as it should be) to ensure a safe landing, but it doesn't appear to be in a head high tackle situation on a falling player *cough* except your name is Jonathan Thurston and the rulebook doesn't apply to you *cough*?
I remember a Tongan winger from Manly getting practically life for a elbow to a blokes head, sure, it was late, and the guy was in a fair position, but a bit better timing and a little bit more of a bend in the knees and he'd have been hailed as a great tackler. What I'm getting at is these sorts of tackles, particularly the types of tackles Sonny Bill lays on, they look wicked, but they're an inch away often from some serious repurcussions. Where do we draw the line? At what the result is, or do we start targetting the intention or moreso technique that could to the result as we do with spear tackles *cough* except Jonathan Thurston *cough*? I understand it's a contact sport, but I wonder where a smart lawyer sooner or later is going to cotton onto a situation of tort where the association hasn't taken all necessary steps to prevent a potentially serious injury.
Iafeta said:How come it's the tacklers responsibility in a spear tackle situation (as it should be) to ensure a safe landing, but it doesn't appear to be in a head high tackle situation on a falling player *cough* except your name is Jonathan Thurston and the rulebook doesn't apply to you *cough*?
I remember a Tongan winger from Manly getting practically life for a elbow to a blokes head, sure, it was late, and the guy was in a fair position, but a bit better timing and a little bit more of a bend in the knees and he'd have been hailed as a great tackler. What I'm getting at is these sorts of tackles, particularly the types of tackles Sonny Bill lays on, they look wicked, but they're an inch away often from some serious repurcussions. Where do we draw the line? At what the result is, or do we start targetting the intention or moreso technique that could to the result as we do with spear tackles *cough* except Jonathan Thurston *cough*? I understand it's a contact sport, but I wonder where a smart lawyer sooner or later is going to cotton onto a situation of tort where the association hasn't taken all necessary steps to prevent a potentially serious injury.
PS: For the sake of this debate, have it known I'm a Crocker/Sonny Bill and those types supporter and didn't have a drama with Crocker tackle by the way it's currently ruled upon. Just thinking from a business law perspective.
CharlieF said:I just can't understand their ruling. As you said, the onus is on the tackler to not hit him in the head. At the very minimum this should have been mentioned just to put the players on alert for next time. I heard nothing from the judicary, which means that certain plays are allowed to target the head as long as you make a case that it wasn't deliberate and that the tackled player contributed to it and it is still contrary to what the rulebook says.
As for the case of that Tongan fellow, he got 17 weeks and a career ender, whilst you can eye gouge in a GF and get 2 weeks. It makes you wonder sometimes of the fairness of it all.
Spike said:no it wasn't