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SMH: Roosters finally bitten by the cap

Southernsaint

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supermario said:
the dally M ladder and his performance this year proves that canberra didn't do enough to help finch grow as a player !

As opposed to any natural development that would have occured as a young player matures??

Cheers,
Ben S.
 

supermario

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Southernsaint said:
supermario said:
the dally M ladder and his performance this year proves that canberra didn't do enough to help finch grow as a player !

As opposed to any natural development that would have occured as a young player matures??

Cheers,
Ben S.

even natural talent needs development, a naturally gifted player can only go so far before he has to learn things to get better, do you think andrew johns and brad fittler were always as good as they are ?????
 

Southernsaint

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supermario said:
Southernsaint said:
supermario said:
the dally M ladder and his performance this year proves that canberra didn't do enough to help finch grow as a player !

As opposed to any natural development that would have occured as a young player matures??

Cheers,
Ben S.

even natural talent needs development, a naturally gifted player can only go so far before he has to learn things to get better, do you think andrew johns and brad fittler were always as good as they are ?????

Mario - who's to say he wouldn't have developed in to an Origin player with a strong performance in the Dally M running if he had remained at Canberra?? That was my point. Or do Easts have a magical elixr that turns decent young players in to World Beaters??

I do think that Matthew Elliot is a good coach, we can't say what would have happened had Finch stayed in the national capital. It's semantics. Anyway, that clubs shafting of his Dad didn't help.

Cheers,
Ben S.
 

Anonymous

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I'm not going to hate on the roosters. I can't be bothered.


The only thing that shits me is the Roosters' supporters claiming they develop players into top first graders, and noone else is capable of it. FFS get over yourselves.
 

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Balmain_Boy said:
I'm not going to hate on the roosters. I can't be bothered.


The only thing that sh*ts me is the Roosters' supporters claiming they develop players into top first graders, and noone else is capable of it. FFS get over yourselves.

not saying others are not capable, you just have to look at benji marshall at the tigers and matt head at the dragons.

We just have had alot of success with these developed players.
 

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You forgot to add that WE along with the Broncos and the knights, actually turn these kids into first-graders. Anyone can throw a jersey on a kids back and call them a junior, but how many clubs out there actually turn these great,young kids into first graders ?

THAT'S the attitude that pisses me off. Maybe if the Roosters weren't ipcking the eyes out of the talent other clubs would be able to. Like I said, there's no point in having a problem with the roosters - you have a lot of money at present and are using it very wisely. The attitude that says the Roosters are the masters of developing talent pisses me off. Especially when you haven't even developed them (even using developed as loosely as roosters' supporters do). Not saying it's all of you, but it seems a majority.

1) Minichello - Yes (I'll give the roosters this one)
2) Walker - No.
3) Cross - Yes.
4) Hodges - No.
5) Byrne - No (You may have developed him but he's so shit it's not worth mentioning)
6) Fittler - No
7) Finch, - No
8) Cayless - No
9) Wing - No
10) Morley - No
11) Fitzgibbon - No
12) Crocker - No
13) Ricketson - Yes

14) Webb - Yes
15) Flannery - No
16) Catic - No
17) Cusack - Yes
18) Tupou - Maybe

5 or 6 from 18. What's more, none of them are your stars. Tell me where all the juniors that you've turned into first graders are OVP? Maybe if Roosters' supporters weren't so f**king arrogant people wouldn't whinge so much.
 

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Balmain_Boy said:
You forgot to add that WE along with the Broncos and the knights, actually turn these kids into first-graders. Anyone can throw a jersey on a kids back and call them a junior, but how many clubs out there actually turn these great,young kids into first graders ?

THAT'S the attitude that pisses me off. Maybe if the Roosters weren't ipcking the eyes out of the talent other clubs would be able to. Like I said, there's no point in having a problem with the roosters - you have a lot of money at present and are using it very wisely. The attitude that says the Roosters are the masters of developing talent pisses me off. Especially when you haven't even developed them (even using developed as loosely as roosters' supporters do). Not saying it's all of you, but it seems a majority.

1) Minichello - Yes (I'll give the roosters this one)
2) Walker - No.
3) Cross - Yes.
4) Hodges - No.
5) Byrne - No (You may have developed him but he's so sh*t it's not worth mentioning)
6) Fittler - No
7) Finch, - No
8) Cayless - No
9) Wing - No
10) Morley - No
11) Fitzgibbon - No
12) Crocker - No
13) Ricketson - Yes

14) Webb - Yes
15) Flannery - No
16) Catic - No
17) Cusack - Yes
18) Tupou - Maybe

5 or 6 from 18. What's more, none of them are your stars. Tell me where all the juniors that you've turned into first graders are OVP? Maybe if Roosters' supporters weren't so f***ing arrogant people wouldn't whinge so much.

excuse me balmain boy, but if you have a look through, you'll find that most of our players in the lower grades have come through from sg ball harrold matthews and flegg.

Most of them not even seeing the logos of other clubs before they come to the roosters. See the point of talent scouts is to spot talent, that is their role. What do you want them to spot neville nobodys with no talent at all ?

you find the talent, let them use it, then teach them the skills to improve them selves to become better players.

I'm not saying that all of our line up are made of players that have been developed, but i think you will find a fair few players that were only bench players or reserve grade bench players at their respective former clubs that have now either cemented a regular first grade spot or are at least on the first grade bench consistantly more than they were at their old club.

Some examples are :

Jason cayless: no opportunities at parra playing off the bench, now first string prop at the roosters
Chad robinson: Again no opportunities at parra, playing mostly premier league, now always picked in the first grade side at the roosters wether on the bench or in the starting side.
Ned catic: Nothing more that a premier league bench player at penrith, now, like robbo, always picked in the first grade squad.
Stuart webb: Same again but came through cronulla and wests, this year has been a constant feature in the roosters first grade side.

so just going on those 4 players, they ave gone from just average players to ones that would make the first grade squad of other teams in the NRL.

Also i would like to point out that mick crocker and chris flannery were brought down from qld through the rosters development program, before any other club even knew who they were, now, they are both state of origin reps.

So it basically goes to show that the roosters development is successful, wether it be turning reserve graders into first graders or scouting young talent.

Oh and one more thing, on todd byrne being shit, he did well to help tear the tigers apart the other week. Not bad for a shit player.
 

Southernsaint

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LOL, Brisbane fans must be stoked. It was only a few years back that they were the ones copping all this: "You've got a whole state to pick from", etc...

Bruno Cullen should send Canarvan & Politis a Chrissy Card!!

Cheers,
Ben S.
 

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Catic was used pretty frequently at Penrith Mario, not every match, but used a fair bit during his final season with us.
 

Anonymous

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Crocker and Flannery weren't developed by the roosters in my book.


Have you heard of natural progression of a first grader? There are tiger's players that have become better players at our club, but I would NEVER claim we developed them. It's this funny thing where players get better with age and experience. As in at a certain age they peak - if you buy them before this age they will get better funnily enough.

There's no point arguing with you. I'm not even bagging the club, I don't think they're doing anything wrong - they're looking after the best interests of the club, not the game, but given the oppurtunity every club would. It's your lot continually justifying some warped claim that you develop all your players, and do it better than any other club. It's called buying top talent and allowing it to naturally develop. I seriously won't be surprised when Joel Monoghan plays origin in 3 years, to see you claim you developed him from a solid first grader to an origin star.
 

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supermario said:
Balmain_Boy said:
Jason cayless: no opportunities at parra playing off the bench, now first string prop at the roosters
Chad robinson: Again no opportunities at parra, playing mostly premier league, now always picked in the first grade side at the roosters wether on the bench or in the starting side.
Ned catic: Nothing more that a premier league bench player at penrith, now, like robbo, always picked in the first grade squad.
Stuart webb: Same again but came through cronulla and wests, this year has been a constant feature in the roosters first grade side.

So by this standard I guess the Raiders can claim they "developed" Schifcofske, Mogg, Hodgson, Smith, Ohara? All of them were not playing first grade and had limited opportunities.
 

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I Bleed Green said:
OVP said:
Its a shame that someone like Jamie Soward cant taste first grade this year, but there's always next year. OH well dems da breaks. At least we stick to the rules tho ... well done Roosters management !! ;-)

Yeah I feel for poor Jamie, especially considering you bred him as a junior.

Oh wait. ;-) :D

beat me too it mate
i feel for Jamie too, being developed by those roosters is tough work ;-)
 

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Edwahu said:
supermario said:
Balmain_Boy said:
Jason cayless: no opportunities at parra playing off the bench, now first string prop at the roosters
Chad robinson: Again no opportunities at parra, playing mostly premier league, now always picked in the first grade side at the roosters wether on the bench or in the starting side.
Ned catic: Nothing more that a premier league bench player at penrith, now, like robbo, always picked in the first grade squad.
Stuart webb: Same again but came through cronulla and wests, this year has been a constant feature in the roosters first grade side.

So by this standard I guess the Raiders can claim they "developed" Schifcofske, Mogg, Hodgson, Smith, Ohara? All of them were not playing first grade and had limited opportunities.

if that is the case edwahu then yes.

if a player has limited learning opportunities they have to look some where else to grow.

Some players can stay inthe one place and become something from there, others need to move to become better.

i'm not saying that the roosters "develop ' all players what i am saying is that the roosters have a successful development and scouting program.
 

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Edwahu said:
supermario said:
Balmain_Boy said:
Jason cayless: no opportunities at parra playing off the bench, now first string prop at the roosters
Chad robinson: Again no opportunities at parra, playing mostly premier league, now always picked in the first grade side at the roosters wether on the bench or in the starting side.
Ned catic: Nothing more that a premier league bench player at penrith, now, like robbo, always picked in the first grade squad.
Stuart webb: Same again but came through cronulla and wests, this year has been a constant feature in the roosters first grade side.

So by this standard I guess the Raiders can claim they "developed" Schifcofske, Mogg, Hodgson, Smith, Ohara? All of them were not playing first grade and had limited opportunities.

Only if you're a roosters' fan mate ;-)
 
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Balmain_Boy said:
Crocker and Flannery weren't developed by the roosters in my book.


Have you heard of natural progression of a first grader? There are tiger's players that have become better players at our club, but I would NEVER claim we developed them. It's this funny thing where players get better with age and experience. As in at a certain age they peak - if you buy them before this age they will get better funnily enough.

There's no point arguing with you. I'm not even bagging the club, I don't think they're doing anything wrong - they're looking after the best interests of the club, not the game, but given the oppurtunity every club would. It's your lot continually justifying some warped claim that you develop all your players, and do it better than any other club. It's called buying top talent and allowing it to naturally develop. I seriously won't be surprised when Joel Monoghan plays origin in 3 years, to see you claim you developed him from a solid first grader to an origin star.

Crocker and Flannery have been at the Roosters since they were kids. Crocker was a shop assistant and wasn't even that keen on playing league until he moved to Sydney.
 

Anonymous

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Hmmm I thought they were both brought in via the Redcliffe feeder connection. I'll take your word for it SR, one of the few reasonable roosters' fans on here...
 

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