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So is it Catt Utai or is he being coached to lay down?

skeepe

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Kiwi said:
If thats the case, then 10 minutes in the bin is the appropriate action before a send off.

Problem is that, within the rules, the referee does not have this option. For a high tackle, it's either a send-off, report and penalty or just a penalty.
 

Chook

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skeepe said:
Kiwi said:
If thats the case, then 10 minutes in the bin is the appropriate action before a send off.

Problem is that, within the rules, the referee does not have this option. For a high tackle, it's either a send-off, report and penalty or just a penalty.

Are you sure Skeepe? Couldn't a high tackle be classed as a professional foul earning 10 in the bin?

Chook.
 

Shifty

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There is no admission that the decision was wrong. They did concede that the issue COULD have been handled better.

Saying Morley has been unfairly targeted in this instance is like someone getting fined after being pulled over for doing 110km/h in a 100km/h zone and saying "but what about everyone else goes over the speed limit". That may be the case, but if you're swerving in and out of lanes cutting people off, there is a sign 200m back down the road saying "Police Radar Zone" and you have a long traffic history then you don't have much room for complaint.

Just because an opinion is popular doesn't make it right.
 

Chook

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Shifty said:
There is no admission that the decision was wrong. They did concede that the issue COULD have been handled better.

You're splitting that hair might thin there Shifty!

If Simkins had acted appropriately and had made the right decision, there would be no need for this admission.

Shifty said:
Saying Morley has been unfairly targeted in this instance is like someone getting fined after being pulled over for doing 110km/h in a 100km/h zone and saying "but what about everyone else goes over the speed limit". That may be the case, but if you're swerving in and out of lanes cutting people off, there is a sign 200m back down the road saying "Police Radar Zone" and you have a long traffic history then you don't have much room for complaint.

I don't see the relevance of this loaded scenario?

Shifty said:
Just because an opinion is popular doesn't make it right.

Not a big believer in democracy Shifty?

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Chook.
 

SaintArsenal

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"It's very disappointing ... just the way the players stay down as if they are injured and they get up and take the first drive in the set of six," Morley told Channel Seven.

"I don't think that's very good sportsmanship. You know I certainly wouldn't do it. It's not in the spirit of the game."

Not in the spirit of the game? Unlike taking peoples heads off!!!! I think its unsportsman-like for him and the Roosters to think that the occasional head high tackle is justified compared to what his aggression brings the team as far as go forward.
He knows he has poor technique and so would the coaching staff but I bet he has never been told to tone it down because that would nullify his best asset, aggression.
Maybe Morley should pen the new NRL Guidelines for Sportsmanship as he obviously only has the game and other players best interests at heart.
Amazing how the bloke can hit someone with a high tackle then divert the attention away from his own wrong by labelling the player that he hit unsportsman-like for not getting up straight away.

Hey Chook, if you get your nose out of Morley's ass anytime soon can you let me know if his shit don't stink? Because Morley obviously thinks it doesn't!!!!
 

Chook

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SaintArsenal said:
"It's very disappointing ... just the way the players stay down as if they are injured and they get up and take the first drive in the set of six," Morley told Channel Seven.

"I don't think that's very good sportsmanship. You know I certainly wouldn't do it. It's not in the spirit of the game."

Not in the spirit of the game? Unlike taking peoples heads off!!!! I think its unsportsman-like for him and the Roosters to think that the occasional head high tackle is justified compared to what his aggression brings the team as far as go forward.
He knows he has poor technique and so would the coaching staff but I bet he has never been told to tone it down because that would nullify his best asset, aggression.
Maybe Morley should pen the new NRL Guidelines for Sportsmanship as he obviously only has the game and other players best interests at heart.
Amazing how the bloke can hit someone with a high tackle then divert the attention away from his own wrong by labelling the player that he hit unsportsman-like for not getting up straight away.

Hey Chook, if you get your nose out of Morley's ass anytime soon can you let me know if his sh*t don't stink? Because Morley obviously thinks it doesn't!!!!

Oh goodie, another insulting halfwit to play with.

Well for a start halfpint, it seems that the match review committee also don't think his shit stinks, as he's put on report three times this season and has no case to answer for for any of them.

Coincidence, or just your ability to make stupid comments of a subject you know nothing about?

Chook.
 

skeepe

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Chook said:
skeepe said:
Kiwi said:
If thats the case, then 10 minutes in the bin is the appropriate action before a send off.

Problem is that, within the rules, the referee does not have this option. For a high tackle, it's either a send-off, report and penalty or just a penalty.

Are you sure Skeepe? Couldn't a high tackle be classed as a professional foul earning 10 in the bin?

Chook.

According to the rules, no. A professional foul is deliberately breaking the laws of the game (ie, holding down near the line to give your team the time to get back and defend, abusing a referee or touch judge).

A high tackle is deemed as foul play. The key difference here is that there is no provision to sin bin for foul play, the only choice if you wish to remove a player from the field is a send-off.

If Simpkins had have given Morley 10 in the bin on Friday night, sure there may have been many congratulating him for the action, but in the eyes of Robert Finch he would have made an "amateurish" decision, for the reasons I have already stated.
 

skeepe

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To clarify my point, here is an excerpt from the ARL law book:

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Appendix (D), point 8 "sin bin"

If misconduct has taken place by a player, the referee can either caution, place in the sin bin (temporarily suspend) for 10 minutes, or dismiss the player.

The "sin bin" is to be used for:

- Repeated scrum, play the ball or ten metre infringements
- Foul or abusive language.
- Disputing the referee's or touch judges' decision.
- Professional foul e.g. holding down a tackled player.
- Minor Skirmishes.
- Behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game.
- Deliberately obstructs an opponent who is not in possession.

The power to temporarily suspend "sin bin" a player is NOT an encouragement to deal leniently in the event of misconduct which would merit dismissal. Actions which may warrant dismissal are found in:

Section 11 "Players Misconduct"

A player is guilty of misconduct if he/she:

- Trips, kicks or strikes another player.
- When effecting or attempting to effect a tackle, makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent intentionally, recklessly or carelessly.
- Drops knees first onto an opponent who is on the ground.
- Uses any dangerous throw when effecting a tackle.
- Deliberately breaks the laws of the game.
- Uses offensive or abusive language.
- Disputes a decision of the referee or touch judges.
- Re-enters the field of play without the permission of the referee or a touch judge having previously temporarily retired from the game.
- Behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game.
- Deliberately obstructs an opponent who is not in possession.

The above are all reasons to dismiss a player and should the occasion arise for you to do so you should inform the player and his captain of the charge prior to dismissing him from the field. This also applies if the player is dismissed on a touch judge's report.

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strong_latte

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Anyway though, the fact remains that being only 8 mins into the second half to make a decision that could potentially castrate a team without consulting the video ref was AMATURISH! in the last year of NRL there have been 5 send off's... 3 have been from simpkins...
 

Bulldog-Power

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how is that possible strong latte???

where did you get that stat from?

do you mean only including this year or all of last year as well???
 

Shifty

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More to the point, if Morley hadn't lost control and charged up and made a high shot (which should automatically make it a reckless high tackle) there would be no need for Morley and Stuart to be whinging about being picked on. Morley's misconduct means the decision was TOTALLY justified.

.....and very rarely has Simpkins lost control of a match.

As Strong latte suggests Simpkins has used the send off in the past, which suggests he is being consistent.

Amaturish is not using the send off when the situation starts getting out of control, eg. Shayne Hayne and waiting to control has been lost.

Like him or not, the players respect Simpkins because they know where they stand and know that if they overstep the mark he will not tolerate it.
 

strong_latte

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Bulldog-Power said:
how is that possible strong latte???

where did you get that stat from?

do you mean only including this year or all of last year as well???

Over this year and last year sorry... I think Daley pointed it out on NRL on Fox on monday.
 

skeepe

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Lets see, that would be Justin Hodges, John Hopoate and Adrian Morley. I think it's pretty clear that 2 were justified, and the other is the subject of this debate. Not all that unreasonable.
 

Dogaholic

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skeepe said:
Chook said:
skeepe said:
Kiwi said:
If thats the case, then 10 minutes in the bin is the appropriate action before a send off.

Problem is that, within the rules, the referee does not have this option. For a high tackle, it's either a send-off, report and penalty or just a penalty.

Are you sure Skeepe? Couldn't a high tackle be classed as a professional foul earning 10 in the bin?

Chook.

According to the rules, no. A professional foul is deliberately breaking the laws of the game (ie, holding down near the line to give your team the time to get back and defend, abusing a referee or touch judge).

Minichello in the first 10 minutes. No mention of that from the roosters aye!
 

bulldog

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Chook said:
skeepe said:
Kiwi said:
If thats the case, then 10 minutes in the bin is the appropriate action before a send off.

Problem is that, within the rules, the referee does not have this option. For a high tackle, it's either a send-off, report and penalty or just a penalty.

Are you sure Skeepe? Couldn't a high tackle be classed as a professional foul earning 10 in the bin?

Chook.

You really have no idea Chook.

Chook said:
Oh goodie, another insulting halfwit to play with.

Obviously you believe you're a tad more intelligent than most people here, but if you want others to believe it you should fix the spelling mistake in your sig moron.
 

Chook

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bulldog said:
Chook said:
skeepe said:
Kiwi said:
If thats the case, then 10 minutes in the bin is the appropriate action before a send off.

Problem is that, within the rules, the referee does not have this option. For a high tackle, it's either a send-off, report and penalty or just a penalty.

Are you sure Skeepe? Couldn't a high tackle be classed as a professional foul earning 10 in the bin?

Chook.

You really have no idea Chook.

Chook said:
Oh goodie, another insulting halfwit to play with.

Obviously you believe you're a tad more intelligent than most people here, but if you want others to believe it you should fix the spelling mistake in your sig moron.

WOW a talking spell checker, what a quaint novelty.

But I'll leave my sig as is thanks Spellydog. If I fixed that it would make me perfect, and nobodies perfect.

Chook.
 

bulldog

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Chook said:
bulldog said:
Chook said:
skeepe said:
Kiwi said:
If thats the case, then 10 minutes in the bin is the appropriate action before a send off.

Problem is that, within the rules, the referee does not have this option. For a high tackle, it's either a send-off, report and penalty or just a penalty.

Are you sure Skeepe? Couldn't a high tackle be classed as a professional foul earning 10 in the bin?

Chook.

You really have no idea Chook.

Chook said:
Oh goodie, another insulting halfwit to play with.

Obviously you believe you're a tad more intelligent than most people here, but if you want others to believe it you should fix the spelling mistake in your sig moron.

WOW a talking spell checker, what a quaint novelty.

But I'll leave my sig as is thanks Spellydog. If I fixed that it would make me perfect, and nobodies perfect.

Chook.

This from someone who doesn't know the difference between a professional foul and foul-play, if you have any more queries about the basic rules of the game don't hesitate to ask, we're here to help you.
 

aenima1

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why doesnt someone at the roosters just teach morely how to tackle properly? he make high tackles time after time after time....
 

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