Somebody's not happy!

[Defer to the coifed]

Brett Kimmorley springs to mind.

Busted a nut.

And played for "franchise Kimmorley". Not Cronulla. Not the coach(after the merkin)

 

[Card Shark]

The Tele said he is on 375.
None of "us" know

The article posted on here a couple of days ago from the Newcastle Herald says $250k.

He signed early last year before making a name with the Sharks.

He wanted more money this year but the knights wouldn’t pay it & that was his initial angst with the club / Brown that has snowballed significantly.

The herald is very close to the knights & I reckon that story is spot on.

 

[Inferno]

So u really think Dugan is on $1.2 mil per year? This is where player hatred & shit runours just get out of control

No I don't. Pretty sure Ramien isn't on 400k either.

I don't had Dugan, he had his best ever game for us tonight.

My point is value for money at this stage of their careers I think we get more value out of Ramien.

 

[Ads]

Lol Dugan did not take a pay cut coming here. He got his fb money he wanted that the dragons wouldn’t pay.

 

[bad boy bubby]

The article posted on here a couple of days ago from the Newcastle Herald says $250k.

He signed early last year before making a name with the Sharks.

He wanted more money this year but the knights wouldn’t pay it & that was his initial angst with the club / Brown that has snowballed significantly.

The herald is very close to the knights & I reckon that story is spot on.

I'm just saying, unless someone has seen his contract it's only speculation, including what journos report.




The inside story of star recruit Jesse Ramien’s shock exit from Newcastle
Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
August 2, 2019 10:01pm

Subscriber only

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Nathan Brown took a swing for the coaches during the week.

He leaned way back on his back leg and balled up his fist and swung like it all depended on it when he sacked Jesse Ramien days before the biggest game of Newcastle’s season.

Ramien is 22 and a supreme talent.

He is everything, at his best, Newcastle need. A great threat on the edges, fast and big.

A year ago he was part of the NSW emerging Origin squad. Teams from around the league turned up on his door, batting their eyes with fat contracts and grand talk.

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Ramien breathed it in like he breathed air itself.

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Ramien was a star at the Sharks. Photo by Scott Barbour/Getty Images.
He committed to the Knights but almost immediately the fit was wrong. His form took off at Cronulla so much the Sharks wondered quietly if they could keep him.

The Knights weren’t budging. They had done a magnificent deal.


In this salary cap era the game is won and lost around value. The Knights paid an average $375,000 a year for Ramien and the way he finished the season with Cronulla they soon realised they had a player worth far more than that.

It began to be a problem when Ramien realised it, too.

He turned up in Newcastle and kicked a few stones because somewhere along the line somebody told him the Knights got him cheap and he knew he could have been earning more money.

It is always here that things get murky.

LISTEN! Matty Johns talks to Cameron Smith about his career, almost leaving Melbourne, ‘influencing’ refs, the salary cap drama and plenty more.

Nothing kills a player’s enthusiasm for his club more than the belief he is being underpaid.

Clubs can’t immediately rectify that, though. Salary caps are finely balanced. Money is limited.

The art of the deal is always timing.

Clubs will pay more for a young player hoping that, by the final year of his contract, he is providing value above what he is being paid to deliver. Pay now, reap later.

Ramien turned up at Newcastle believing he was already being underpaid.

If the game is the art of the deal, Brown had done a magnificent job.

But it was never that simple.

Three times the Knights got a call, from three rival clubs, saying Ramien’s camp had approached them saying he wasn’t happy and they were gauging interest to see if they were keen to take him.

Ramien has not lived up to expectations. AAP Image/Darren Pateman.
Brown knew it could be a problem but his job was to coach and find a way to keep Ramien happy.

A fortnight ago the Knights fought for a time against Sydney Roosters before surrendering it away. They trailed by two points with 25 minutes left and lost 48-10.

Afterwards Brown, who likes to ask himself questions at his post-match press conference before he answers them, said, “Will we play a better team than the Roosters in the next month? Probably not, but there’s going to be some decisions asked of players that are going to be big factors in where we finish on the scoreboard.


Artwork: Scott “Boo” Bailey.
“So we certainly can’t ignore it.”

Privately, Ramien was one of those players Brown was speaking of. Brown should have dropped Ramien then.

Ramien had committed what is among the great sins of professional sport; his teammates didn’t believe he tried hard enough.

This week Brown pulled the trigger.

Cronulla got a phone call from Ramien’s dad asking if there was still interest. The Sharks rang Newcastle to see if he was available.



Wednesday night after training Brown walked over to Ramien.

“I hear your dad is shopping you around?” he said.

“I don’t take that personally, and don’t take this personally, but go and pack your bags and go and play somewhere else where you’re happy with the money you’re on.”

Simple as that.

That it was done with no deal negotiated to lessen the cap pressure at Newcastle reveals the urgency the Knights believed he needed to go.

He sacked Ramien after the June 30 transfer and too late for Ramien to land elsewhere this season.

It reveals the strength of Brown’s decision.

Saturday afternoon’s result against Manly might well decide Newcastle’s season. The Knights are a win out of the top eight and are in the fight to their elbows, with half a dozen other clubs, to make the finals.

By sacking Ramien the week of such a vital game Brown could potentially have put himself in the firing line.

This is often how it begins.

Ramien’s exit was a sign of the new world in the NRL. Players, and increasingly their managers, carry tremendous power at most clubs.

A quiet phone call, a gathering of numbers, and suddenly they are away.

Few clubs have the strength to take on the playing group no matter how wrong they are, making coaches often the most disposable job in every the NRL.

Look at the Gold Coast.

The Titans players fell out of love with Neil Henry. The rebellion was led by Jarryd Hayne, in spirit if not action when Hayne and Henry fell out.

The club sided with Hayne.

Henry was gone and in came Garth Brennan.

Part of Brennan’s appeal was a special relationship, they said, with Ash Taylor, the Titans’ most crucial player now Hayne was gone.

That didn’t save him and Brennan was gone.

So the Titans playing group, which has done nothing that would resemble success, has seen off the coaching careers of two good men and taken no accountability for themselves.

Coaches are expendable.

 

[coolumsharkie]

Dugan signed for us because we gave him an extra year on his contract. 4 years instead of 3.

 

[Mr Angry]

And played for "franchise Kimmorley". Not Cronulla. Not the coach(after the merkin)

Somehow you see a difference.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

Because there is . Dugan loves Cronulla & has always wanted to perform for the club, not his next contract.. Despite the hatred from his very own fans, which at times, is worse than a st George supporter. yes, that low. Kimmorley was always playing for Kimmorely. For his rep Career, for his goal kicking records, for his next contract.

 

[Mr Angry]

I do not.

 

[Card Shark]

I'm just saying, unless someone has seen his contract it's only speculation, including what journos report.




The inside story of star recruit Jesse Ramien’s shock exit from Newcastle
Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
August 2, 2019 10:01pm

Subscriber only

• PROUD EAGLE: Thompson wants to stick with Manly
• DALLY M: Who takes home league’s ultimate prize

Nathan Brown took a swing for the coaches during the week.

He leaned way back on his back leg and balled up his fist and swung like it all depended on it when he sacked Jesse Ramien days before the biggest game of Newcastle’s season.

Ramien is 22 and a supreme talent.

He is everything, at his best, Newcastle need. A great threat on the edges, fast and big.

A year ago he was part of the NSW emerging Origin squad. Teams from around the league turned up on his door, batting their eyes with fat contracts and grand talk.

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Ramien breathed it in like he breathed air itself.

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Ramien was a star at the Sharks. Photo by Scott Barbour/Getty Images.
He committed to the Knights but almost immediately the fit was wrong. His form took off at Cronulla so much the Sharks wondered quietly if they could keep him.

The Knights weren’t budging. They had done a magnificent deal.


In this salary cap era the game is won and lost around value. The Knights paid an average $375,000 a year for Ramien and the way he finished the season with Cronulla they soon realised they had a player worth far more than that.

It began to be a problem when Ramien realised it, too.

He turned up in Newcastle and kicked a few stones because somewhere along the line somebody told him the Knights got him cheap and he knew he could have been earning more money.

It is always here that things get murky.

LISTEN! Matty Johns talks to Cameron Smith about his career, almost leaving Melbourne, ‘influencing’ refs, the salary cap drama and plenty more.

Nothing kills a player’s enthusiasm for his club more than the belief he is being underpaid.

Clubs can’t immediately rectify that, though. Salary caps are finely balanced. Money is limited.

The art of the deal is always timing.

Clubs will pay more for a young player hoping that, by the final year of his contract, he is providing value above what he is being paid to deliver. Pay now, reap later.

Ramien turned up at Newcastle believing he was already being underpaid.

If the game is the art of the deal, Brown had done a magnificent job.

But it was never that simple.

Three times the Knights got a call, from three rival clubs, saying Ramien’s camp had approached them saying he wasn’t happy and they were gauging interest to see if they were keen to take him.

Ramien has not lived up to expectations. AAP Image/Darren Pateman.
Brown knew it could be a problem but his job was to coach and find a way to keep Ramien happy.

A fortnight ago the Knights fought for a time against Sydney Roosters before surrendering it away. They trailed by two points with 25 minutes left and lost 48-10.

Afterwards Brown, who likes to ask himself questions at his post-match press conference before he answers them, said, “Will we play a better team than the Roosters in the next month? Probably not, but there’s going to be some decisions asked of players that are going to be big factors in where we finish on the scoreboard.


Artwork: Scott “Boo” Bailey.
“So we certainly can’t ignore it.”

Privately, Ramien was one of those players Brown was speaking of. Brown should have dropped Ramien then.

Ramien had committed what is among the great sins of professional sport; his teammates didn’t believe he tried hard enough.

This week Brown pulled the trigger.

Cronulla got a phone call from Ramien’s dad asking if there was still interest. The Sharks rang Newcastle to see if he was available.



Wednesday night after training Brown walked over to Ramien.

“I hear your dad is shopping you around?” he said.

“I don’t take that personally, and don’t take this personally, but go and pack your bags and go and play somewhere else where you’re happy with the money you’re on.”

Simple as that.

That it was done with no deal negotiated to lessen the cap pressure at Newcastle reveals the urgency the Knights believed he needed to go.

He sacked Ramien after the June 30 transfer and too late for Ramien to land elsewhere this season.

It reveals the strength of Brown’s decision.

Saturday afternoon’s result against Manly might well decide Newcastle’s season. The Knights are a win out of the top eight and are in the fight to their elbows, with half a dozen other clubs, to make the finals.

By sacking Ramien the week of such a vital game Brown could potentially have put himself in the firing line.

This is often how it begins.

Ramien’s exit was a sign of the new world in the NRL. Players, and increasingly their managers, carry tremendous power at most clubs.

A quiet phone call, a gathering of numbers, and suddenly they are away.

Few clubs have the strength to take on the playing group no matter how wrong they are, making coaches often the most disposable job in every the NRL.

Look at the Gold Coast.

The Titans players fell out of love with Neil Henry. The rebellion was led by Jarryd Hayne, in spirit if not action when Hayne and Henry fell out.

The club sided with Hayne.

Henry was gone and in came Garth Brennan.

Part of Brennan’s appeal was a special relationship, they said, with Ash Taylor, the Titans’ most crucial player now Hayne was gone.

That didn’t save him and Brennan was gone.

So the Titans playing group, which has done nothing that would resemble success, has seen off the coaching careers of two good men and taken no accountability for themselves.

Coaches are expendable.

I don’t take into account much that they write either but the knights & herald have links & I reckon the seed was planted to cover the club’s arse.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

His manager is Gavin Orr. I can tell you right now the Tele article is spot on. 1.1 over 3 years no rep bonus. Sharks contract included rep bonus. Same As Duges. Duges is $600k with possibility to earn another $150k with Rep. So this year, $600, less his deferred payment.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

And he would have played game 1 origin this year, had he stayed with the Sharlks.

 

[President Trump]

Because there is . Dugan loves Cronulla & has always wanted to perform for the club, not his next contract.. Despite the hatred from his very own fans, which at times, is worse than a st George supporter. yes, that low. Kimmorley was always playing for Kimmorely. For his rep Career, for his goal kicking records, for his next contract.

Kimmorley was a woeful goalkicker but I remember he insisted on taking the shots at goal because Johns was a goalkicker therefore he had to be too.

 

[wibble]

Kimmorley was a woeful goalkicker but I remember he insisted on taking the shots at goal because Johns was a goalkicker therefore he had to be too.

I'd take his level of woeful goal kicking this year. We'd probably be in the top 4....

 

[fizman]

Brett Kimmorley - Great Man, Great Competitor, Loves the Sharks.

 

[1990 sharkie]

Lol Dugan did not take a pay cut coming here. He got his fb money he wanted that the dragons wouldn’t pay.

But now he has given back 100k to help out his team.
Dugan is the best right centre in the game and most on here just have an agenda against the bloke

 

[Inferno]

Because there is . Dugan loves Cronulla & has always wanted to perform for the club, not his next contract.. Despite the hatred from his very own fans, which at times, is worse than a st George supporter. yes, that low. Kimmorley was always playing for Kimmorely. For his rep Career, for his goal kicking records, for his next contract.

See if you can find a few posts on here from people who said they hate Dugan.

No one has said they hate him. He has underperformed at times and been criticised as has every single other player in the team.

 

[Weaponhead]

But now he has given back 100k to help out his team.
Dugan is the best right centre in the game and most on here just have an agenda against the bloke

Its rugby league. Everyone has an agenda.

 

[Frenzy.]

See if you can find a few posts on here from people who said they hate Dugan.

No one has said they hate him. He has underperformed at times and been criticised as has every single other player in the team.

Nuh Inf. He’a been pretty roundly scapegoated in here this year.

Take me on Felix and multiply x 50

 

[Mr Angry]

After playing in the centres and on the wing through the opening seven rounds, Dugan showed glimpses of his best in a return to fullback last week.

"The first week I was put on the wing I was a little bit frustrated, (thinking), 'Why am I on the wing?'" Dugan said on Monday.

People act like jurnos put words in his mouth.

"After I had an in-depth chat with 'Bomber' (Morris), he explained it. I was able to accept it, whereas last year I probably just wouldn't have had that conversation."

"(Last year) I'd probably just sit back and go through the motions on the wing and not say a word," Dugan said.

So no rumour, not innuendo - Flat out says was not happy so spoke coach, would have just sooked last year, like when Valentine was chosen over him for Fullback.

"Going and sorting things out last year, it's helped me this year, being able to find those triggers and things that are detrimental to my mental and physical health.

"I'm in a lot better space on and off the field."

Great news, does from the outside look true, been much better this year, some diabolical errors for such a senior player, is not alone though.

I don't not think he is an elite fullback, never did, he did solid fill in.

I think he is an elite three-quarter yes and the best winger we have, would be world class if he applied himself.

Morris and Graham will a lot of fun using Xerri down the left.

Johnson and Nikora need an experienced and good defender on the right, Morris or Dugan works.

Dugan has earnt that spot over Morris in the last two weeks, and he is a great centre too.

I am happy with side that played Souths.

Ronaldo looked good, Feki might not be back.

Oh well leave Fergo to get the glory for rep stuff, he will get picked for NSW AUS on the wing. Dugan will not be, behind many when they pick centres, apparently that save us plenty, his loss.

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