Sorry Ricky - But your words and actions do not fool me

[Ron Jeremy]

I am normally one to give the benefit of the doubt to new coaches, I normally will give them time to see what they can do. I have also said that after a year to year and a half is a pretty good indication as to whether a coach has got what it takes to succeed, it is quite evident actually. I never bagged the Hagan hire, I supported him initially, I never bagged the Kearney hire, I too supported him initially, hell I even supported Brett Finch when he came here, however I can quickly change on a opinion based on what I see.

The problem with Stuart is that I haven't even given him 12 months, barely 6 months, yet I am getting to a stage where I can see my RJ whinging coming sooner rather then later. I never initially wanted him as our coach, but where willing to support him, however, the very same problems Ricky has had with his previous sides are starting to stick out like dogs balls. Lets observe

- Zero creativity - check
- Unable to produce points - check
- Halfback killer - check

And this leads me to my last point - good with the media - check

Ricky is a master of diverting attention, really is good at it, plays the role of the victim bloody brillantly and everyone falls for it it seems - apart from me.

His whinging in the media after a loss is so f**king pathetic I even feel like saying boo f**king hoo. The old building from scratch excuse yeah yeah another, plan for the future, whilst he never says that he inherited a shit heap etc it is implied with every remark he utters, but the thing is, that excuse doesn't work for me nor it shouldn't and it doesn't in professional sport.

Has he inherited a shit heap? absolutely, what Kearney did to Parramatta is unf**king believable, he made Hagan look like Jack Gibson, he destroyed the soul of the club when believe it or not there was nothing wrong with it, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the culture embedded in Parramatta before he took over - Kearney thought there was a problem, he tried to change it and it backfired terribly, Stuart is trying to change Kearney's culture change - this will backfire too - coaches like Kearney and Stuart will never succeed at Parramatta, it just isn't the Parramatta style of play.

Anyway back to Stuart, regardless of the talent pool and other factors a good coach will always ensure his team is better then what they were before, a good coach will instantyly turn around the team, may not be world beaters but they will be far greater then what they were the previous year. You can look at other sports around the world and see how one coach can turn around a team/franchise - 49ers with Jim Harbough, Jimmy Johnson with the Dallas cowboys, hell just look at Souths in the past two years - a good coach will always make the side better regardless and use that as a stepping stone - this team has actually gone backwards further.

I never believed in stuart as a coach, i never believed any of his excuses, never cared for his whinging and can see right though it - a a master of deception, the players have not improved - his coaching question marks from his previous clubs are blantantly obvious yet again ie halfback killer, lack of points creatvity (not to mention he still using the same type of up in defense he used in 200 and f**king 3.

If i do not see f**king improvement in the side towards the end of the year you will be hearing about it unfortunately from me - like a geniused echo.

 

[bartman]

#deathrider

;-)

 

[Eelementary]

Some interesting points, RJ.

But I think, bad as Kearney was, the rot truly started with Hagan - the way he tore the guts out of our club so professionally and masterfully was almost a work of art.

 

[strider]

your post is too long ron ... write an executive summary

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I will also like to add, about 5 or so years ago I made a comment in this board that parramatta should go after Wayne Bennett - everyone laughed, they said he would never leave Brisbane, funny how things work out..

 

[Ron Jeremy]

your post is too long ron ... write an executive summary

I provided somewhat of a conclusion if that is some sort of consolation?

 

[parra-matters]

Hagan basically to me accepted poor preformance and that fed to the players lack of care in thier preformance, Ando tried to fix it by being angry and by all reports in the end pissed of a few of the younger players and they didn't play for him and let some good juniros go and signed stuff all to replace them. SK tried to turn the squad he had into something different that was at the skill level of the players he had instead looking at the squad and play a style that suits thier best skills. So now sticky has to fix 3 messes, 1. near enough was good enough (hagan), 2. Pissed off Gen Y players and letting quailty players go and no replacing them and 3. Mixed up players who have played a type of footy all through the juniors and then in one off season were expected to change to something different without a genuine on field leader.
It's a massive clean up job that will take all of Sticky's 3 year contract and then some.

 

[Avenger]

As I said in the patience thread I think his heart is in the right place but I think it will all end in tears for Ricky Stuart. We basically have the same squad as last year minus Hindmarsh. Kearney won 6 games last year. So far Stuart has won 3. Will we win another 4 so that he can beat Kearney's record? I don't think so. Therefore we have gone backwards under Stuart.

We are paying him this year an amount reportedly to be about $800K yet some people think he is precluded from criticism because he inherited a shit roster. What a load of horse shit. Do you think if Hasler, Bellamy or Bennett was our coach another spoon would be coming ? Stuart started in October last year not during Round 1. Stuart has been a miserable failure this year and if he doesn't make the 8 next year he should be out on his f**king ear.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Thank you avenger, my thoughts exactly

 

[Chipmunk]

I think you make alot of good points RJ.

For mine I think Sticky gave up on this group of players far too early on and in my opinion we now have a group of players playing each week where most of the players know that the coaching staff think very little of them and the players generally play with the level of confidence accordingly.

Once again, like most of the last five years, we have a team that appears to have just met each other in the car park right before the game. What is going on there?

I think Sticky fell into the same trap that Kearney did, where he had a game plan that he wanted to put the current group of players in, rather than come up with a game plan that would suit the current group of players. You might have a 3, 5, or even 10 year plan, but you still need to try and be as successful as possible in the current season as well.

Im prepared though to give Sticky more time. I think its far too late now in the season to bother starting up now and I dont think the coaching staff has the confidence in the current playing group to be bothered. I dont think we will win many more, if any, games this year. Which will be a disgrace.

If we show no improvement after the first 8 rounds next year then something will have to give.

 

[Eelementary]

As I said in the patience thread I think his heart is in the right place but I think it will all end in tears for Ricky Stuart. We basically have the same squad as last year minus Hindmarsh. Kearney won 6 games last year. So far Stuart has won 3. Will we win another 4 so that he can beat Kearney's record? I don't think so. Therefore we have gone backwards under Stuart.

We are paying him this year an amount reportedly to be about $800K yet some people think he is precluded from criticism because he inherited a shit roster. What a load of horse shit. Do you think if Hasler, Bellamy or Bennett was our coach another spoon would be coming ? Stuart started in October last year not during Round 1. Stuart has been a miserable failure this year and if he doesn't make the 8 next year he should be out on his f**king ear.

Who knows?

I think we DO have a shit roster, and it's a roster with huge psychological issues, but the biggest problem facing Stuart is the clear lack of options.

But yes - so far, he has failed to deliver, excuses or not.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Hagan basically to me accepted poor preformance and that fed to the players lack of care in thier preformance, Ano tried to fix it by being angry and by all reports in the end pissed of a few of the younger players and they didn't play for him. SK tried to turn the squad he had into something different that was at the skill level of the players he had instead looking at the squad and play a style that suits thier best skills. So now sticky has to fix 3 messes, 1. near enough was good enough (hagan), 2. Pissed off Gen Y players and letting quailty players go and no replacing them and 3. Mixed up players who have played a type of footy all through the juniors and then in one off season were expected to change to something different without a genuine on field leader.
It's a massive clean up job that will take all of Sticky's 3 year contract and then some.

Results on the field trumps all things Ie niggling in the sheds etc etc we were a top 8 side when Kearney took over, there was nothing different from any other clubs - always will be generation gaps and personalities - results is all that matters

 

[Avenger]

Who knows?

I think we DO have a shit roster, and it's a roster with huge psychological issues, but the biggest problem facing Stuart is the clear lack of options.

But yes - so far, he has failed to deliver, excuses or not.

Cheers mate. When he took the gig his minimum standard of achievement would have been to be competitive and to improve. We have not in any manner. He has quite simply failed.

 

[Eelementary]

Cheers mate. When he took the gig his minimum standard of achievement would have been to be competitive and to improve. We have not in any manner. He has quite simply failed.

I can't disagree.

I don't mind losing every week - I truly think our roster and our options are diabolically bad. But I expected the team to compete, never give up and show pride and passion in the jersey. It hasn't happened.

I am confident the future looks bright - IMO, we have some very exciting prospects in Vai Toutai, Frazer Masinamua, Pauli Pauli, Joseph Ualesi, Semi Radrada, Junior Paulo, Kaysa Pritchard, Zac Docker-Clay, etc. But who knows when they'll be ready?

 

[Chipmunk]

I can't disagree.

I don't mind losing every week - I truly think our roster and our options are diabolically bad. But I expected the team to compete, never give up and show pride and passion in the jersey. It hasn't happened.

I am confident the future looks bright - IMO, we have some very exciting prospects in Vai Toutai, Frazer Masinamua, Pauli Pauli, Joseph Ualesi, Semi Radrada, Junior Paulo, Kaysa Pritchard, Zac Docker-Clay, etc. But who knows when they'll be ready?

Are you really that confident that these juniours will do the job for us?

 

[Avenger]

I can't disagree.

I don't mind losing every week - I truly think our roster and our options are diabolically bad. But I expected the team to compete, never give up and show pride and passion in the jersey. It hasn't happened.

I am confident the future looks bright - IMO, we have some very exciting prospects in Vai Toutai, Frazer Masinamua, Pauli Pauli, Joseph Ualesi, Semi Radrada, Junior Paulo, Kaysa Pritchard, Zac Docker-Clay, etc. But who knows when they'll be ready?

There is only one coach who could sort out the shit from the clay, is available and as a club we have never really recovered since he left.

 

[yy_cheng]

There is only one coach who could sort out the shit from the clay, is available and as a club we have never really recovered since he left.

I sort of agree with ya.

 

[EelsFan05]

Smith was a great coach and we f**ked him off because players didn't like him etc... That's when this rot began.

 

[Avenger]

Smith was a great coach and we f**ked him off because players didn't like him etc... That's when this rot began.

Hindmarsh loved him. 10 years as coach, 8 semi final appearances. I miss those years.

 

[strider]

i didn't think players were against him ... i think he had just been here long enough and it was time to change

but hell yeah - bring back smithy!