Sorry Ricky - But your words and actions do not fool me

[Eelementary]

You gotta be kidding right? I loved when it got the weekend and it being us being the team that was putting 50 points on other sides. You'd go out to a game and come home singing and cheering most weeks. For 26 weeks a year we could open up the paper in Monday morning and see us sitting comfortable in the top 4, and sometimes even at the very top of the table. Geez those were proud days.

Sure, losing those big games sucked, but that didn't erase the fun I had throughout the regular season watching us win on a regular basis and the pride of seeing us win minor premierships or making grand finals.

Amen, brother.

Fingers crossed we get back to those days one day soon.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I will say this - does parra at present look well coached? Does parra Atleast make up for the lack of talent and address the fundamentals? Does parra move up in a straight line? Etc etc

Yeh I agree. But I think we have little choice but to see how stuff plays out next year.

 

[Tooooks]

I don't like Ricky but was hopeful he could help stiffen up our defence, get the fundamentals right, and have the players show some energy and passion.

What we got last night was so embarrassingly inept, it was laughable. Not kicking on the last, nearly 50 missed tackles, poor kick chase, poor last tackle options, stupid penalties, crap line speed, ridiculous unforced errors.

They look - dare I say it - poorly coached. Morale must be low when your coach says in the first month "expect plenty of floggings" (not a direct quote of course). Did he have a go at the refs again? Hard to bring the refs into the equation when you're getting lapped by 30+ points almost every week.

I came into this season with realistic expectations: bottom 4 finish with improved effort from last year. This is worse than last year. 2 spoons in a row. Not sure that's happened in the modern era...except for now.

 

[Chipmunk]

would only be 2 wouldn't it? 2007 and 2009.

2006 when Jason Taylor was here?

So yeah, 3 out of the last 8 years. Realistically we have only played well for 12 weeks out of the past 6 years.

 

[EelsFan05]

RJ it is hard to argue with a lot of your points. I just cannot understand how Parra always look so disorganised? They refuse to move up in defence, and therefore allow the opposition to make easy metres every set. We are always on the back foot. We do not have ONE set move that is executed to perfection. How many times are we caught out on the 5th in attack, and can't even get a kick away?

Something is dreadfully wrong. As bad as our players are, the coach always must accept some of the blame. When you see so many of our discards playing well at other clubs (because those teams are organised and do the little thing right) you have to wonder what the hell is going on.

I agree with RS call on the players but you've gotta expect that its gonna have ramifications on the players attitudes. These blokes don't see the point or don't have the ability to earn a contract elsewhere so they are just throwing the towel in.

 

[Chipmunk]

To be honest with you, mate, yes - I am.

For example, I've rated Kelepi Tanginoa ever since I first saw him play. Masinamua and Ualesi will be just as good if not better IMO.

I know we have a tendency to overrate our juniors, but this time, we:

(1) have little option but to rely on our juniors; and

(2) I'm very confident the guys listed will turn out to be good.

Via Toutai is one guy much criticised, but he should be playing centre. He's a natural centre, and a good one, at that. I think he will be very good for us. He's still only 19 years old.

I have seen no difference in the raps and the amount of players coming through the juniors than what there was in the late 80s/early 90s. Time will tell whether these ones make the grade.

 

[Chipmunk]

I think he's saying any coach that doesn't make the 8 for two years in a row? Sounds fair enough to me, and there's plenty of coaches/potential coaches around to fill those gaps.

But then I'm not trying to be an argumentative professional whiney bitch on a forum.

I think it is fair to say that if you are a bottom 4 team two years in a row and showing no signs of improvement then you should be shown the door.

 

[Chipmunk]

RJ it is hard to argue with a lot of your points. I just cannot understand how Parra always look so disorganised? They refuse to move up in defence, and therefore allow the opposition to make easy metres every set. We are always on the back foot. We do not have ONE set move that is executed to perfection. How many times are we caught out on the 5th in attack, and can't even get a kick away?

Something is dreadfully wrong. As bad as our players are, the coach always must accept some of the blame. When you see so many of our discards playing well at other clubs (because those teams are organised and do the little thing right) you have to wonder what the hell is going on.

They are always going to look disorganised when you have no organising player in the team. This has become even more evident since the only natural, albeit generally average, organiser (Luke Kelly) was shown the door to the lower grades. Im fairly confident that unless we find a player with organising qualities (more than likely a different 9) for next year that we will once again look like a disorganised rabble. We will have more ability to score points with better players, but we will still resemble a disorganised rabble.

To go with this we have consistently lost the game around the play the ball for a better part of 10 years or more. We have always played the ball slower and allowed the opposition play the ball faster than us, hence losing the game around the middle. It appears we may not have the best wrestling coach in the competition or we have players that do not learn the basics very well. My pick is on a bit of both.

 

[COACH STERLING]

You only have to look at Penrith's roster and position on the ladder to realise Stuart hasn't done a good job with them. Gus and Cleary would have had us in the top 4 by now.

 

[Utey]

I'm willing to give him until 2015. We need some stability and allow him to recruit who he wants. We are potentially in for a tough 2014 as well...

 

[Avenger]

I'm willing to give him until 2015. We need some stability and allow him to recruit who he wants. We are potentially in for a tough 2014 as well...

Cannot see him surviving if that's the case.

 

[Bigfella]

Ricky is getting less out of a similar group than any of his predecessors.

However IMO he won't be judged on that.

I think he's lucky in that regard, and probably very lucky. As Ron says there are same basic systematic weaknesses that aren't acceptable regardless of the level of talent.

Ricky has made a stand about talent and pointed the finger elsewhere. He has made grander statements than his predecessors about how he will change it.

If he doesn't now walk the walk by actually replacing the players identified as not being good enough, and improving performance, then he will be exposed badly.

 

[Ashley Schaeffer]

It's impossible to judge Ricky on this season. Our appointment of coaches in recent years has been abysmal. We needed an experienced coach to come in and put a complete broom through the joint. Not a coach who needed immediate results to start building a career, or an unemployed coach who needed results to rebuild his career.

Kearney tried to drop senior players and start the process and was lynched for it. Not saying he was a good or bad coach but he was a scapegoat for the shit that exists at this club. Ricky is the right coach that we desperately needed.

Someone will undoubtably come after him, and I hope the stuff Ricky's doing at the club now benefits them.

 

[ElectricEelMan]

Gotta agree with Ron Jeremy.

You can usually tell if a coach is doing a good/great/outstanding job before the half way mark of their first year coaching a team ... and this is no matter the circumstances.

In most sports there have been instances of tremendous turn-arounds from one season to the next with just a simple change of coach or manager or whatever. These coaches have that 'it' factor. I don't know what that 'it' is. Sometimes it might take a coach a few years to learn or it or sometimes they have it straight away.

Sadly I don't think Ricky Stuart has that 'it' factor. Otherwise I honestly believe we would not be near certainties to get another wooden spoon.

I don't care about the roster. A good to great coach would not be leading this team to the wooden spoon. At the moment this team does not look well coached.

Unfortunately it looks like management have made another colossal mistake in their choice of coach.

I hope I am wrong.

Very wrong indeed.

 

[Glenn]

It is all well and good to say drop the under performing players, but when you don't have players that are of a better standard, then it kind of defeats the purpose of the exercise.
Give Stuart time to work with the player he wants to at the club, and he can mold to his style not those inherited by him from a coach with a different approach.

 

[Avenger]

2014 will make or break Stuart's long term coaching career. No top 8 or somewhere very close, no future career. Not at Parra anyway.

 

[Delboy]

What we need to understand is the lack of depth that RS was left with

There is little to choose from other than the younger players in NYC. The club is spending time getting their bodies right for NRL, and talking to staff we have the best crop coming through for a long time. Have a look at what was signed in last 2 years, when I think they were panic signings as SK knew his job was in jeopardy, and most of those were reserve graders or unwanted, and SK thought he could make NRL standard players out of them, not to mention Penese etc

Then he want and extended their contracts before he was replaced, Ryan, Sef Paulo, Blair et al. Overall the players coming next year are going to be a big help, and with players like Kelepi, Pritchard, Jnr Paulo getting time to grow at Wenty level we possibly have reason to be a bit more optimistic.

Hoppa was the best player available, 2 English Internationals and a player expected to be Lockyer's replacement ( stuffed up by his coach).

There are some things that it is difficult to coach, last night Maitua and pPaulo were is position to make tackles, and just didn't, that first try and the attempt by reni was disgraceful ( I am here for the team fmd Reni), and Paulo missed 3 one on one tackles that led to tries

Oh well, we have what we have this year

 

[IFR33K]

FMD guys.

RS has by far inherited the worst roster in the nrl.

How many of our spine last night would walk into another nrl team. Sandow, mullaney, Paulo and keating are duds and would struggle in nsw cup.

There were signs of life in the squad in the early rounds, but since the taps on the shoulder, the playing squad has either given up or lost faith in RS.

Do we really those types of players anyway??? They are playing for their careers, and it appears they have shut up shop.

Brian smith would of done the exact same thing if he was re hired instead of Stuart.

The clean out was required, and things were always going to get ugly. Just like when smith done the same thing in Newcastle, and buderus quit for england.

RS wasn't my ideal choice, but clearing the deadwood was the best thing he's done.

If there no improvement by round 16 next year, than I'd be asking questions.

 

[Avenger]

Nobody is saying sack him now.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I reckon we should sack him now.