Southern Orcas

[ParraEelsNRL]

so you'd agree that it is not the most geniused idea ever?

Look a few people in the international section have been nutting this out and there are some very feasable ways to do it.

1) NZ play 3-4 away games in england/france and then return home to play 3-4 home matches.

Originally posted by AlbertRosenfield in International Forum

I have called the airlines. Just a little comparison on flying times:


For the Wellington Super 14 rugby union team flying Air NZ to South Africa to play: (Sydney-Johannesburg is 14 hours 10 minutes nonstop but Air NZ does not fly non stop to South Africa. Auckland-Sydney is 3 hrs 20 mins plus an hour layover. Wellington to Auckland is an hour plus an hour layover).

Wellington to Johannesburg: 20 hours

For the Orcas to play Super League in the M62 corridor:
Wellington to London on Air NZ is 24 hours 30 minutes, including 2 hour layover in Los Angeles. Plus one hour layover in London and one hour flight to Manchester.

Wellington to Manchester: 26 hours 30 minutes.

So for the rah rahs, who are less fit than the Orcas, it is feasible.

Cost of one business class seat return Wellington to London: 3,255 pounds or NZ$9,000. Total cost of 20 players plus coaching staff of four plus CEO and Chairman: NZ$234,000 .

Cost for travel 4 times a year: NZ$936,000 (plus accommodation for three and a half months or more).

If Air NZ pays for the trips in return for sponsorship rights, cost = NZ$0

So the flight is only 6 hours longer than the longest S14 flight and is not that expensive.

Every time the team leaves for a trip you have a big marketing opportunity to send them off. Everytime they return you get to welcome them home.

These equal big home crowds.

Much the same as people outside of Auckland follow the warriors there is no reason why everyone can't follow the Orcas. The general profile of RL rises in NZ and people have more to follow.

It is not uncommon for NZders to follow their local union team, a S14 franchise and the Warriors.

NZ love beating Aussies and they love beating the Poms. The Orcas and the Warriors give them the chance to do that on the same weekend!

Imagine the two teams working together. running Rugby league weekends in various parts of the country, encouraging fans and players alike to bond under the same brotherhood of NZRL. It is such a magnificent idea with unlimited potential.

Lets take the Warriors and the Orcas matches to Christchurch for the weekend. Play one on friday night and one on saturday night. throw a double header.

have a game in auckland and a game in wellington, friday night and Sunday afternoon. Have both teams attend each others matches. cross promote.

This is a marketing, development and promotional dream.

The logistics of this venture are not that difficult. The globe is a very small thing and getting to the other side of it is just too darn small an issue to throw this whole thing in the bin.

Double headers or over 2 days.

Warriors Vs Parra-dogs-Broncos- what ever.

Orca's Vs Saints-Wigan-Catalans-Bradford-Leeds.

Not bad.

 

[Quidgybo]

they should focus on something more realistic.

In an ideal world they'd be playing in the NRL. They have afterall been applying to enter that comp and its predecessors since 1992. But in light of continual rejection by the Australian authorities and in the absence of any positive indication of future expansion opportunities, there simply is no "more realistic" option. Not if they want to provide a second NZ based top tier professional club side, which at the end of the day is the point of the exercise.

Leigh.

 

[bender]

more geniused than splitting the Australian comp in two, driving player prices through the roof, tearing apart traditional clubs, abandoning clubs in foreign outposts to the wolves?

Dont forget some of the other all time geniused ideas in history which were floated but failed.

Enter Japan as the last Superleague franchise team.

Merge the game with Aussie Rules football.

Play a kangaroos vs All Blacks cross code championship.


Some of these geniused ideas are tried but have little success, such as:
Lets let Luke Ricketson (& others), play for Australia after represented Ireland a year or so earlier because Ireland is not a 'test nation' for a start.

Lets let Tony Carroll do the same thing because although Nz is a test nation, we let Luke Ricketson & others do the same thing but we cant remember why so it must have been something to do with the World Cup not being official tests.

Let us schedule International Matches but let the clubs pull players out of these internationals for the sake of it.

Let us have a 15 team competition but we will let more than half of the teams into the semifinals and use some type of wierd McIntyre top 8 system.



Then again, some of these so called geniused decisions have gone on to some level of success what about the following geniused ideas that eventuated.

Lets pick a Qld team based not on where a player lives or was born, but based on where they played there first game of rugby league.

Instead of giving the trophy to the team that has the most points after home and away seasons, lets have a playoff between the best teams to feature a "Grand Final winner".

Lets get rid of the ruck and replace it with a play the ball. And drop two players from 15 to 13 while we are at it.

Lets give teams a maximum of 6 tackles to score, before handing it over to the other team.

Lets spend 3 million dollars on a TV advertising campain headed by a singing grandmother.

The list is endless. Sometimes these things succeed, sometimes they fail, one thing is for sure, it is not the most geniused idea ever. If it is successful, though, it may be one of the most brilliant ideas ever.

 

[brendothejet]

well put bender.

nice to see someone with some vision

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

so you'd agree that it is not the most geniused idea ever?

Look a few people in the international section have been nutting this out and there are some very feasable ways to do it.

1) NZ play 3-4 away games in england/france and then return home to play 3-4 home matches.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Originally posted by AlbertRosenfield in International Forum

I have called the airlines. Just a little comparison on flying times:


For the Wellington Super 14 rugby union team flying Air NZ to South Africa to play: (Sydney-Johannesburg is 14 hours 10 minutes nonstop but Air NZ does not fly non stop to South Africa. Auckland-Sydney is 3 hrs 20 mins plus an hour layover. Wellington to Auckland is an hour plus an hour layover).

Wellington to Johannesburg: 20 hours

For the Orcas to play Super League in the M62 corridor:
Wellington to London on Air NZ is 24 hours 30 minutes, including 2 hour layover in Los Angeles. Plus one hour layover in London and one hour flight to Manchester.

Wellington to Manchester: 26 hours 30 minutes.

So for the rah rahs, who are less fit than the Orcas, it is feasible.

Cost of one business class seat return Wellington to London: 3,255 pounds or NZ$9,000. Total cost of 20 players plus coaching staff of four plus CEO and Chairman: NZ$234,000 .

Cost for travel 4 times a year: NZ$936,000 (plus accommodation for three and a half months or more).

If Air NZ pays for the trips in return for sponsorship rights, cost = NZ$0

___________________________________________________________________________________________________

So the flight is only 6 hours longer than the longest S14 flight and is not that expensive.

Every time the team leaves for a trip you have a big marketing opportunity to send them off. Everytime they return you get to welcome them home.

These equal big home crowds.

Much the same as people outside of Auckland follow the warriors there is no reason why everyone can't follow the Orcas. The general profile of RL rises in NZ and people have more to follow.

It is not uncommon for NZders to follow their local union team, a S14 franchise and the Warriors.

NZ love beating Aussies and they love beating the Poms. The Orcas and the Warriors give them the chance to do that on the same weekend!

Imagine the two teams working together. running Rugby league weekends in various parts of the country, encouraging fans and players alike to bond under the same brotherhood of NZRL. It is such a magnificent idea with unlimited potential.

Lets take the Warriors and the Orcas matches to Christchurch for the weekend. Play one on friday night and one on saturday night. throw a double header.

have a game in auckland and a game in wellington, friday night and Sunday afternoon. Have both teams attend each others matches. cross promote.

This is a marketing, development and promotional dream.

The logistics of this venture are not that difficult. The globe is a very small thing and getting to the other side of it is just too darn small an issue to throw this whole thing in the bin.

Brendo

Please mark off with a line across the page at top and bottom where my post begins and ends and your post continues, like I just did above.

Cheers,

Albert

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

WOW, i spent 30 mins reading through this thread and thinking it through. Chalmers is definately a visionary, this could be spectacular.

Air NZ, would have to foot the bill of the Orca's travels, and atleast half of the visiting side's (the ESL the cover the other half, as i dont see how the indv. clubs could afford this) - in return for sponsorship.

Orcas could play a game in Perth, Johannesburg, UAE, LA, Japan ETC. --> expanding league and providing it with more exposure - only a good thing.

I am so glad we still have visionaries in the game, and i am a huge fan of Lewis... i just hope this takes off.

and Brendo, could you possibly provide links to the other sections of LU in where discussion of this topic is held? thanks.

 

[yosh64]

Brendothejet, you keep talking about this being great for rugby league. The growth of the game in parts of the world would be great but try telling that to people from perth and adelaide who had the game grow but die away becuse it was a bad business decision.

Sure AirNZ could sponsor them, but that sponsorship money normally going into the clubs coffers is not there cause it was for free flights.

Secondly the plan to play home games around the world means that fans in wellington dont get to support the team as much. And what sponsor wants to put money into a team that spends one week in dubai, then they dont see them again for a year. Or one or two games in OZ and then they dont see them again till next year.

Look at what happened to Northern Eagles, they had to split their time in the two communities and play games in different parts of Sydney and could never get community support behind them. Thats what will happen when Orcas play games in multiple home grounds, let alone when they are overseas for a month and you can only watch games at 4 in the morning.

It would be great for growth of league if they focused just on wellington and they didnt run out of cash. But the mysterious invester wont just pour money into it for long if they cant turn a profit.

I love your enthusiasm but it wont work, it could only work if they played in the NRL

 

[Perth Red]

SL needs a NZ team like a hole in the head!

If he is so committed to getting a team up and running in wellington he should be banging down the door of Gallop and convincing him that the NRL can't do without the Orcas.

 

[nqboy]

All this talk about the trip to England being only 5 or 6 hours longer than the trip to Jo'burg is moot. The Stupid 14 clubs aren't making the trip every second week or alternatively, they're not away for 4-5 weeks at a time a few times a season.

Somebody solve those problems for me.

 

[nqboy]

And Air NZ footing the bill for travel in return for sponsorship? All that means is the Orcas won't get any money for their bottom line from their biggest sponsor.

And the parties when they come home...Dream on. What if they are on a losing streak (as they are likely to be with the travel involved draining their fitness) and arrive home in an onion patch, how many do you think are going to turn out to welcome them back, apart from family and friends?

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

you gotta start someqhwre NQ, you cant just not try coz its a yawnion patch.

 

[Blaze]

If he is so committed to getting a team up and running in wellington he should be banging down the door of Gallop and convincing him that the NRL can't do without the Orcas.

wtf? The Orcas have been trying to get into the Australian comp since the early 90's...

 

[International RL]

Parra Eels,

You must have a good memory. I was banned from the International section a long time ago.

Incidentally, I did not receive any kind of warning before the banning, nor did I receive any explanation as to why I was banned.

I do not recall using bad language, or insults, or debating tricks. Just plain simple logic and fact - but that seems to have been a banning offence.

Finally, I am sure that I will out-live Everlasting Antacid, who is certain to implode in the act of venting his considerable spleen hereabouts.

Logic and fact? You're an absolute oxygen thief. Never once have you been able to substantiate any of your ridiculous elitist assertions about your beloved code. You were continually hijacking threads, you were in fact warned and besides you could never argue on points of order - you would either disappear from the thread or just dribble on about guys working in law firms and large corporations. You're a pathetic excuse for a troll and you wasted everyone's time. You aren't missed.

 

[Woods99]

Logic and fact? You're an absolute oxygen thief. Never once have you been able to substantiate any of your ridiculous elitist assertions about your beloved code.

Methinks you doth protest too much. Surely a little robust debate is good, unless you and your opinions are not strong enough to withstand ONE opposing voice. If you cannot tolerate anybody else breathing the air other than those who are in lockstep with you and your opinions perhaps you should forget about the international scene. It is probably too challenging for you.

Incidentally I speak as someone who held down a senior management position for many years in one of the leading sporting organisations in the world (nothing to do with any code of football, and not in Australia).

You were continually hijacking threads, you were in fact warned and besides you could never argue on points of order - you would either disappear from the thread or just dribble on about guys working in law firms and large corporations. You're a pathetic excuse for a troll and you wasted everyone's time. You aren't missed.

I was never warned. I was just "disappeared", without warning before the event, and without any explanation afterwards.

I never used bad language, or insulted anybody.

On the one hand you say that I "wasted everyone's time", and on the other I disappeared without continuing on with pointless arguments.:?

It honestly sounds to me as though you just do not like anybody having an opposing opinion. If you do a bit of travelling and looking at the world of sport as it actually is you will find that the real world is far more diverse, and challenging, than you seem to think it should be.

 

[brendothejet]

I've been away from the debate for about a day and have discussed this with a few more people.

As Leigh (quidgybo) has said a number of times, if the orcas are willing to put up with the travel then the travel becomes a non issue.

People talk about the club not turnign a profit because the travel would eat into their bottom line.

News flash people. No rugby league club turns a profit. They turn huge amounts of revenue but no profit, aside from the bronocos who make a small bit of coin off the back of bleading brisbane dry.

How much money do you think the cowboys, the storm or the warriors spend on flying around australia every other week?

The Orcas would be going to england 5 times. Not impossible.

The thing I can't understand is why people are so keen to shoot this idea down.

People talk about wellington being an Onion patch....well so was huddersfield, leeds, st helens etc. France was an onion patch and now has its own superleague team.

Dare to dream people.

 

[cumberlandsashes81]

Incidentally I speak as someone who held down a senior management position for many years in one of the leading sporting organisations in the world (nothing to do with any code of football, and not in Australia).

So, you've been in a Senior Management position in a leading sport organisation... and that makes your hatred of people who watch and play Rugby league valid? What rubbish.

I never used bad language, or insulted anybody.

Denouncing every Rugby league supporter as an uneducated bogan isn't insulting?

You hate Rugby league and everyone who supports it, Woods. Anyone who's seen your obsession with posting rubbish about 'Lite' and 'Litesters' on the Planet Rugby forum would know this. Coming here and pretending to be our kindly old Uncle who's telling us things for our own good isn't fooling anyone...

It honestly sounds to me as though you just do not like anybody having an opposing opinion. If you do a bit of travelling and looking at the world of sport as it actually is you will find that the real world is far more diverse, and challenging, than you seem to think it should be.

Another tip: Try replying without the waffling motherhood statements... Saying the world is "challenging and diverse" doesn't prove anything.

 

[mark123]

woods sounds like a wanker with no life.

people obviousky dont listen to him when he speaks, so he thinks screen pollution is the way to go if he is ever to get some kind of recognition.

well none exists here for you, loser. move on.

 

[KalgoorlieRed]

I think it is a great idea as long as it it worked thru properly and wish it success.

 

[colonel_123]

SL needs a NZ team like a hole in the head!

If he is so committed to getting a team up and running in wellington he should be banging down the door of Gallop and convincing him that the NRL can't do without the Orcas.

It's been made pretty clear that there will not be a new team in the NRL for sometime. The most obvious period when expansion may become viable again is when the current TV license expires in 2011, 2012 (can't remember the exact year).

Until then there simply isn't the money available to expand. (See the fight over the players wanting a bump in the salary cap)

Even if expansion is on the agenda in 2011 the Orcas will be competing with the Central Coast, Perth who will be able to mount strong cases for expansion licenses, as well as any other consortiums that might start up between now and then.

If the Orcas can show they can sustain a franchise in the English/French Super League while being based in New Zealand then their case for inclusion in the NRL during any expansion discussions will be very hard to ignore.

Look I don't think this is going to happen, but I don't think it's as easy to dismiss as an idea as some our suggesting, especially when you consider that an NRL license is out of the question for the next 5 to 6 years.

 

[nqboy]

I've been away from the debate for about a day and have discussed this with a few more people.

As Leigh (quidgybo) has said a number of times, if the orcas are willing to put up with the travel then the travel becomes a non issue.

People talk about the club not turnign a profit because the travel would eat into their bottom line.

News flash people. No rugby league club turns a profit. They turn huge amounts of revenue but no profit, aside from the bronocos who make a small bit of coin off the back of bleading brisbane dry.

How much money do you think the cowboys, the storm or the warriors spend on flying around australia every other week?

The Orcas would be going to england 5 times. Not impossible.

The thing I can't understand is why people are so keen to shoot this idea down.

People talk about wellington being an Onion patch....well so was huddersfield, leeds, st helens etc. France was an onion patch and now has its own superleague team.

Dare to dream people.

Dream or Pipedream?

Tell you what. You put your money in, I'll keep mine, and if they succeed, I'll put my hand up so you can say, "I told you so."