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St Kilda V freemantle debacle

camsmith

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started meeting at 2pm, said they will be several hours.. so probably from 5pm to maybe 8..
 

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Dockers get the points
Sportal

The AFL has awarded Fremantle the win over St Kilda, with the league's commission deciding after a special meeting on Wednesday that fairness must prevail.

The AFL Commission met for more than four hours on Wednesday afternoon, hearing submissions from both the Saints and the Dockers, before AFL chairman Ron Evans announced the decision.

"The AFL commission has determined that the correct interpretation of the relevant rules and regulation is that the match concluded immediately after the siren sounded to end the match in the final quarter," Evans said.

"Effective of this interpretation is that the Fremantle Football Club won the match.

"The commission understands and accepts that there will be significant debate over the outcome of this afternoon's hearing and the final decision, however, it is the responsibility of the AFL commission to administer the game in the best interests of the competition - I believe that is what we have done today."

The meeting came about as a result of Sunday's match at Launceston's Aurora Stadium, which finished in a draw but only after the Saints kicked a point to level the scores several seconds after the final siren rang. A timekeeping error meant that the siren was rung off before the field umpire could acknowledge the end of the match.

In handing down the decision, AFL Commission chairman Ron Evans said that all timekeepers would be reminded again of their requirement to ring the siren until acknowledged by the field umpire and also committed the AFL to immediately improving the technology available to umpires so that they know immediately when it is the end of the match.

Evans said the AFL took full responsibility for incident.

"As the organisation charged with the management of the national competition, the AFL accepts full responsibility for what took place and unreservedly apologises for the clubs involved, the players and football fans," Evans said.

"Since Sunday's incident, the AFL has acted decisively and moving quickly to investigate the incident - seeking submissions from the competing clubs and compiling that evidence for the commission to consider this afternoon.

"It was vital that the process be thorough, fair and just and it was also important the clubs be given time to prepare their submissions. Both clubs acknowledge that it was the right and proper that the commission determined this matter."

Evans said several action points will now be enforced from next weekend's matches to ensure that this situation will not occur again.

These processes include:
1. That all AFL timekeepers be instructed about their obligations and reminded of the process in correctly signaling the end of each quarter and their requirements under the rules.

2. An immediate review of the siren and audio system at each AFL venue to check the decibel level of each siren.

3. The investigation of new technology to ensure that the field umpires are alerted to immediately after the siren sounds.

http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=81963

Sanity has prevailed.

I wonder what the betting agencies will do now, some have already paid out.
 

camsmith

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Like i said in the other thread. Correct result for the good of the game.

Saints fans crying about it.. it should have never let it come to this, they should have had the game in the bag BEFORE the siren sounded. If any Saints supporters really think they deserve to win the game then ill be darned :D
 
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Saints definatley didn't deserve to win that game, and I don't really care who won the game, but the laws of the game clearly states that the game is over when the umpire signals the game is over. It doesn't say "If the umpires don't hear the siron then it is over as soon as time has elapsed". This sets a dangerous precedent.

What if in future, a ball is kicked into the forward 50. The siron sounds just as the ball is about to land on a players chest, but by the time the umpire signals game over the mark has been taken. Normally that would be a fair mark. If the player kicks a winning goal after the siron after that mark, we will now get teams appealing the result as the afl has now ruled that the game should finish as soon as the siron sounds. The AFL has opened a huge can of worms here. not only the siron issue, but the issue of changing a result of a match widway through the week. IMO in sport, the reult at the end of the match should stand regardless of the errors of the umpires.
 

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waltzing Meninga said:
What if in future, a ball is kicked into the forward 50. The siron sounds just as the ball is about to land on a players chest, but by the time the umpire signals game over the mark has been taken. Normally that would be a fair mark.

No the mark would not be awarded. That has always been the case.


No precedent has been set. All they have done is cover up rampant cheating by their umpires.


I still fail to believe that the Fremantle players around the ball heard the siren and the umpires didn't.
 

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meltiger said:
No the mark would not be awarded. That has always been the case.

:D Ask Collingwood fans about that one.


meltiger said:
I still fail to believe that the Fremantle players around the ball heard the siren and the umpires didn't.

The Freo boys knew from their runner that the siren was imminent and were desperately wanting to hear it, whereas the umpires were focused purely on the contest.

Normally I easily hear the siren on television broadcasts, but on this occasion I did not. There was also confusion among the commentators and others at the ground.

No cheating, to suggest such is a nonsense, merely bad planning by the AFL (particularly as they had already been alerted to possible problems with the Aurora siren). Poor form from the timekeeper to just assume that the umpires had heard it, rather than actually waiting for the acknowledgement. Had he kept the siren sounding, as he was supposed to, it wouldn't have been an issue.
 

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CyberKev said:
No cheating, to suggest such is a nonsense, merely bad planning by the AFL (particularly as they had already been alerted to possible problems with the Aurora siren). Poor form from the timekeeper to just assume that the umpires had heard it, rather than actually waiting for the acknowledgement. Had he kept the siren sounding, as he was supposed to, it wouldn't have been an issue.


I am aware the siren wasn't loud enough. However to suggest at minimum 10 Fremantle players heard the siren and not a single umpire OR St Kilda player heard it is ludicrous & is quite simply a case of people not wanting to admit the truth.


Remembering that at least ONE of the umpires would have been in the Centre Square and a hell of a lot closer to the physical location of the siren.
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:
:D Ask Collingwood fans about that one.

LOL

McChins makes me laugh, the cupboard over the last 50 years is that bare that he wants a nothing trophy to be awarded :lol:


Besides which, the situation in which Big Mal is describing is a different scenario - The umpires again that case didn't hear the siren. Not simply they hadn't raised their arms to end the contest.
 

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meltiger said:
I am aware the siren wasn't loud enough. However to suggest at minimum 10 Fremantle players heard the siren and not a single umpire OR St Kilda player heard it is ludicrous & is quite simply a case of people not wanting to admit the truth.

Ask any ear, nose & throat specialist and they'll tell you that hearing differs in accordance with the individual, and more specifically, the focus of the individual.

Many people at the ground didn't hear the siren in the kerfuffle, and again, the Freo players only heard it because they knew it was coming and were death-riding it. As such, in as much as they heard anything, they vaguely heard something that may have been a siren going off at a time they expected the siren to be going off.

The umpires wouldn't have heard it because they were focussing intently on the intensive sounds and visuals flowing out of a tight and intense match. It is such focus that allows all of us to hear some things while ignoring many other side sounds during our everyday lives so that we don't get overwhelmed by external stimuli.

Allegations of cheating do little more than help propigate laughable conspiracy theories, and we already have too many of them floating around anyway.

Presumably the umpires (all 3 of them) conspired for Freo to ineptly forego a good lead, and for St Kilda to fight back into the match in the final term, just to get close enough in the dying seconds to allow them to deliberately ignore the final siren so as to contrive a draw. Presumably they were also in cahoots with the timekeeper on all of this as well, so that when they failed to acknowledge, he deliberately refused to keep sounding the siren (as it is his job to do).

Silly stuff.
 

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Saints rule out appeal
10:07:00 AM Thu 4 May, 2006
Matt Burgan
Sportal for afl.com.au

St Kilda will not take legal action now that it has officially lost the round six clash against Fremantle, which was played last Sunday at Aurora Stadium in Launceston.

On Thursday morning, the club released a statement, confirming it would not pursue legal action.

The St Kilda board and executive met early on Thursday morning to decide the matter.

"The main item on the agenda was to consider whether the interests of the club were best served by pursuing further legal action in search of the two points or to focus all energy on our remaining 2006 campaign," the statement said.

"The unanimous decision was not to proceed with further legal action.

"The club will be communicating a fuller and more expansive explanation to its members and corporate partners via the club’s website within the next 24 hours."

The now infamous match was declared a draw on Sunday when St Kilda's Steven Baker kicked a behind to level the scores, long after a 'dull' siren had been sounded.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=262928

good, now we can get on with the next round
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:
Silly stuff.


To make an assumption that all 3 field umpires, 2 goal umpires and the emergencies all didn't hear the siren ... Yes. silly, silly stuff.


The Fremantle players around the ball had head the siren, the umpires had by that point called time off. Why did they not CHECK the claims of almost half the Fremantle team that the siren had gone???????


Instead of bouncing the ball and then awarding St Kilda a laughable free kick and 2nd attempt to cheat their way to the win?
 

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meltiger said:
The Fremantle players around the ball had head the siren, the umpires had by that point called time off. Why did they not CHECK the claims of almost half the Fremantle team that the siren had gone???????

Yeah, that's what we want, umpires taking direction from players, especially as they'd never have an ulterior motive for making suggestions.


FIELD umpires Hayden Kennedy and Michael Vozzo were agonisingly close to recognising the infamous first blow of the siren on Sunday.

Kennedy, the umpire closest to the two horns at the northern end, heard a "dull and quick" sound.

Vozzo, positioned at the edge of the centre square at the southern end, noticed a "light muffled" noise.
But both did not act because they believed the sound wasn't continuous. If timekeeper Max Harvey had kept his finger on the button a second or two longer, the siren shemozzle might have been averted.

No cheating from the Saints...

No cheating from the Umpires...

Nothing more than a flawed siren and a timekeeper slacking on the job.
 

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