Staff and Players Not Payed

[Noname36]

I am sure that the grant money goes to the club directly but what I can envisage is that some of the staff are employed by HSG and I would assume that HSG haven't made good on a number of their financial obligations to the Knights but the club would have outgoings which they needed to pay irrespective of HSG's lack of support hence they have a cash flow problem and can't pay the players etc.

The time has come for everyone single person involved with the oversight of the Knights to stand down and a totally new group of people get involved with the management of the club because the members board, management and directors have failed miserably.

Matt Gidley for one should resign today because as CEO he has been utterly useless. We should have walked away from Tinkler the day he defaulted.

At least we know why the performance of the team is so poor, they aren't getting paid.

I actually really want the NRL to take us over and get rid of everyone from Tinkler to Midley to the board to the directors. We don't have the competence to work through this on our own.

 

[The Showstopper]

From reports, I am under the impression he borrowed the money, or at least the majority of it. Nobody is lending anybody money to pay for a pro sport team in Australia of all places. These lenders want a chance of a return.

And if we're frank, nobody can be surprised that the money he gets his hands on is tipped into a money making venture rather than a guaranteed loss.

Are u for real. He owes us ten million. LOL.

 

[eozsmiles]

Are u for real. He owes us ten million. LOL.

Let's hope the devil isn't in the detail on that.

 

[eozsmiles]

One thing I'm not sure of is this - What exactly is the "$1 deal"? It seems like there is some confusion between the two parties as to what it involves.

Is the members group under the impression that they could buy the club back for $1 and it would be debt free? Because in theory it would be debt riddled when he gave it back wouldn't it? The trigger to give it back was a lack of money.

The takeover should have been instant and beyond debate. They should have been prepared for the worst case scenario, which is pretty much this.

Patinack Farm was set up so that Tinkler could get off easy if it went bust. Expecting some more shit to hit the fan here before it's all over.

 

[eozsmiles]

Apparently Tinks was personally calling players today....I wonder what he was saying. I imagine it was the standard "...everything is sweet"

 

[Sydney Knight]

The $10.5m is safely in a joint bank account which doesn't seem to be at any risk. The problem is if the footy club has somehow incurred debts in the last few years which shouldn't really be possible based on the cash that was tipped in each year to pass audit.

If the footy club does have debt then it would have to be likely that money has been misappropriated into other ventures which is obviously illegal but I guess it could drag out in court and you can't get blood out of a stone.

Obviously hoping this isn't the case.

 

[perverse]

It's incredible how reliably our club turns up year after year as a total clusterf**k. It really is.

 

[Knight Vision]

:crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

It's incredible how reliably our club turns up year after year as a total clusterf**k. It really is.

Yep, on field form, injuries, monkeys running things off the field, off field player dramas. Same thing every god damn year. Hence my comment before about us being the hardest team to support.

 

[cram]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...nts-at-nrl-side-newcastle-20140517-zrfsq.html

 

[Noname36]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...nts-at-nrl-side-newcastle-20140517-zrfsq.html

It's a hard one. I know if my employer was consistently late with my payments and was f**king with my super, especially in a line if work where my earning potential was limited to about a decade, I'd be furious and not want to put in for them. Even if I was getting paid but I knew one of my mates wasn't id be furious with the company too.

It's always the fans that haven't done anything wrong that end up getting f**ked over though. Obviously this is screwing with our on field performances but it's the fans that suffer while the egos in the boardroom keep fighting to no resolution. Just f**k them all off already so our team can just focus on footy for once.

This is starting to make me really angry (especially since I can't see it ending) and I usually have a lot of patience when it comes to our management and boardroom incompetence.

 

[Spot On]

Kevin Walters completely hosed down any link with money worries and poor form in that article. Players have been told they'll be looked after by the NRL. It's not an ideal situation but if they've been guaranteed by the governing body that no matter what happens they'll be looked after then they can't blame their piss weak form and horrible performances on money. May as well forfeit each week if that's how they feel. Just further reinforces the ongoing fragile nature of the club when things go wrong.

Yes/no???

If so, there's no point watching them until this is sorted which could be quite a wait.

Some clubs absolutely lift/dig in when the club is under the pump. Canterbury springs to mind. Years ago they went through the Coffs Harbour scandal and came through as Premiers. This club could never galvanise like others can when faced with adversity.

Dig in boys. Forget the precious Darius and his worries, he'll play like a man possessed when he pulls on his pretty maroon jersey. He'll whinge and cry when he gets back to Newcastle. Been the same since he arrived. The bloke is a joke. For a player of his stature he should be a leader both on and off the field. The fact is he isn't. He's an absolute blight on the team at and needs to be punted.

 

[slotmachine]

^ That.

If I were a 3rd party sponsor of Boyd's I wouldn't be paying him either.

 

[Noname36]

Kevin Walters completely hosed down any link with money worries and poor form in that article. Players have been told they'll be looked after by the NRL. It's not an ideal situation but if they've been guaranteed by the governing body that no matter what happens they'll be looked after then they can't blame their piss weak form and horrible performances on money. May as well forfeit each week if that's how they feel. Just further reinforces the ongoing fragile nature of the club when things go wrong.

Yes/no???

If so, there's no point watching them until this is sorted which could be quite a wait.

Some clubs absolutely lift/dig in when the club is under the pump. Canterbury springs to mind. Years ago they went through the Coffs Harbour scandal and came through as Premiers. This club could never galvanise like others can when faced with adversity.

Dig in boys. Forget the precious Darius and his worries, he'll play like a man possessed when he pulls on his pretty maroon jersey. He'll whinge and cry when he gets back to Newcastle. Been the same since he arrived. The bloke is a joke. For a player of his stature he should be a leader both on and off the field. The fact is he isn't. He's an absolute blight on the team at and needs to be punted.

Of course Walters is going to say that. There's a reason this is only coming out now when there have been issues for 12 months but has only come out as it's gotten progressively worse, the club has been doing what it's best at...trying to keep everything under wraps and deny anything is wrong.

Do you really think this sort of thing wouldn't affect them at training or on the field? That it might make some of them question their commitment to the club a bit? They haven't been just not been paid once...this has been an on going issue for a year...that's a lot of time for little doubts to turn into something big. If your employer doesn't pay you after days earlier spending 150 million on a mine would you not start to question? The NRL can assure them all they like, but at the end of the day if they're not getting paid they're going to have questions and doubts.

And this is not like the Bulldogs Coffs thing at all. This is a bunch of players (and staff) actually getting f**ked over by their club. It's a lot harder to ask them to dig in when their own club is the one the pressure is coming from.

Don't get me wrong, I want Princess Darius gone just as much as the next person, but how can you demand a player respect the club when there's nothing to respect?

 

[slotmachine]

time to blow it all up

owner, advisory board, admin, coach, coach's adopted son, captain and everyone off contract not named adam cuthbertson can be told their services are no longer required.

start again from scratch with a professional administration, an innovative coach and a focus on youth.

we'll probably suck for a year or three but at least the fans will see effort on the field and won't be bored to death with the added bonus of not having to support an utter embarrassment.

 

[Spot On]

The link know between the Bulldogs scandal and us is simply adversity No Name. Deal with it as you will. Apparently we will fail to deal with it even though the boys have been guaranteed financial protection from the NRL. Make of it what you will.

f**k, you could argue the legal drug alcohol is responsible for our poor form seeing as one of our players is in jail because of it and another just had his contract torn up because of it. Then there's the effect that skirt wearing fullback would have the team due to his ongoing reluctance to do anything while he's actually standing on the field most weeks since he's turned up. There's the McKinnon tragedy etc etc etc. Maybe we could blame it all on Wayne for buying every 30+ forward available.

Facts are there's been plenty of adversity. All present obstacles. Some cannot be fixed ie Alex . He is the one who is facing a true battle.

Our players have been told by the NRL they will be looked after re money.

It's about time they dug in and actually overcame some of this adversity. I'm sure Darius will dig in for QLD again when Origin 1 rolls around.

 

[Noname36]

The link know between the Bulldogs scandal and us is simply adversity No Name. Deal with it as you will. Apparently we will fail to deal with it even though the boys have been guaranteed financial protection from the NRL. Make of it what you will.

My point is that it's a completely different type of adversity. The pressure on the Dogs came from external forces. It's much easier to galvanise and lift for the club in those circumstances. Our players are getting screwed over by their own club...the one that's meant to be on their side. Why would they bust themselves when the clubs owner has made it obvious he prioritises a 150 million dollar mine over looking after them and their salaries? The club is the main one to benefit if they start performing so I totally understand why commitment to busting their arses for the club is low.

It's not the fact they could be without money for a while, it's the fact that the club (be that HSG or the board) is putting it's own politics over looking after them. They pretty much have Palmer saying that their salaries, their livelihood, are being held to ransom.

 

[Spot On]

I take your point No Name.

Can only imagine the pressure the Sharks players were under last year. They could have said f**k it and just showed up purely to make sure the game went ahead.

I'm glad they showed some balls in the face of adversity. Semi finalists with constant media belittlement. Australia wide and around the world. How did they do it????

Those blokes were facing 2 year bans at the time and the constant taunts from the public and crowds on game day. Demoralising for them to say the least. And then there was the media pressure. You could never liken that to anything in sports history in this country.

Yet they continued to fight on the field each and every week.

Not sure Darius would have gone too well at the Sharks last year.

 

[Noname36]

I get your point too, and don't get me wrong, I don't think all of our poor performances have been due to this. However I really think we're on the road to more pain if we think we can actually be successful on the field managed how we are currently. We could sign the Roosters forward pack and Cameron Smith and the most brilliant and innovative coaching staff in the game, but we're never going to give it what we need to if the players can't feel committed to the club because they get screwed over.

I slotmachine is right that we just need to blow it all up. Start from scratch and just bring in who we want starting at management level and moving down to coaching/playing staff when we have that settled.

People keep calling for us to sign a new coach and bring in new players, But what good coach or players in their right mind would sign for our club anyway the way it's managed? I know a couple of people like to blame everything on Bennett (and Boyd)...but he really is the least of our worries at the moment.

Edit - again though, the Sharks were under pressure from ASADA...an external force. They didn't have their own club against them withholding their salaries as a power play in boardroom fights. Cronulla were gutsy no doubt, but again it's easy to galvanise for your club when it's not the club that's screwing you over. We are so utterly incompetent. No wonder the NRL had to get involved.

 

[Spot On]

Paul Gallen is still publicly pleading for the NRL to help them mate and it's now a fact their own club failed them as well. Hence their coach is no longer there. They've been on their own through it all.

Darius may have spent a few months against the shed wall crying his heart out if he was at the Sharks last year.