state of the union (league)

[roughyedspud]

right... i want us to get to the bottom of the actual state of play with the domestic scenarios of as many "2nd tier nations" as possible and try and collate all the date in one spot..


so if we put it together like this


country -
number of divisions -
number of teams -
number of players (est) -


then we can track the development of these nations...


ps...can we keep it to open age teams..add a footnote at the bottom of the post for any other relevant business

 

[Boston13s]

country - USA
number of divisions - 2. USARL North & USARL South.
number of teams - 11
number of players (est) - 350

There are development teams in quite a few cities but only Chicago seem to have taken to the field in the recent past.

 

[roughyedspud]

country - wales
number of divisions - 2 - north & south
number of teams 12
number of players - 300-400

wales also has fledgling u14,15 & 17s junior leagues and of course 2 semi pro teams,north wales crusaders & south wales scorpions in the english championship leagues

 

[roughyedspud]

country - ireland
number of divisions - 3 - munster,leinster,ulster
number of teams - 11
number of players - 200-250


struggling to see any sort of junior club set up...but they are getting into the schools and this looks encouraging.. http://www.rli.ie/article/12005/junior-rugby-league-blog

 

[Steve Davy]

country - Denmark
number of divisions - Competition is Pan Scandinavian
number of teams - 2
number of players - 100-150
Also, a separate junior club being established and interest in a new senior club being formed in 2015

country - Sweden
number of divisions - Competition is Pan Scandinavian
number of teams - 2
number of players - 100-150 est.
Two new clubs being formed.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

Country - France

Number of Divisions - Pro: ESL (Dragons), Semi-Pro: 2 divisions (Elite 1, Elite 2), Amateur: 1 division + 1 female, Juniors: 1 division, Wheelchair: 1 division, schools and universities.

Number of committees: 25

Number of teams: 1 esl + 20 elite + 22 amateur + 6 female + 8 juniors + 10 wheelchair >= 67 (probably missing some)
(rugby union, ~1600!)

Number of licences: 11,473 (in 2012) though 45,000 practicants according to the FFRXIII (schools, carnavals etc.). Rugby union 340,000, American football = 18,000, Baseball/softball = 11,000, soccer = 1.9m

 

[miguel de cervantes]

country - wales
number of divisions - 2 - north & south
number of teams 12
number of players - 300-400

wales also has fledgling u14,15 & 17s junior leagues and of course 2 semi pro teams,north wales crusaders & south wales scorpions in the english championship leagues

Those numbers are surely wrong. They have 52 clubs on their website:

http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/clubs

Wales slightly smaller than France seems about right, certainly much larger than Ireland.

 

[Evil Homer]

^ A lot of those are just junior age-group teams. Open-age RL really isn't big in Wales at all and at least in South Wales it seems to have gone backwards since Celtic Crusaders left in 2010.

 

[roughyedspud]

Those numbers are surely wrong. They have 52 clubs on their website:

http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/clubs

Wales slightly smaller than France seems about right, certainly much larger than Ireland.

ive just gone off the teams in the conference north & south

 

[roughyedspud]

anyone gonna have a stab at the pacific island nations?

 

[deal.with.it]

I think Fiji is around 50 teams

 

[miguel de cervantes]

See pages 20 and 21 of the RLEF Annual Report for some info on Europe.

36 Senior Teams in Wales for example (289 junior teams!!!!)

 

[deluded pom?]

See pages 20 and 21 of the RLEF Annual Report for some info on Europe.

36 Senior Teams in Wales for example (289 junior teams!!!!)

I know they are from an official source but I'm very dubious of those Welsh stats.

 

[bowes]

country - wales
number of divisions - 2 - north & south
number of teams 12
number of players - 300-400

wales also has fledgling u14,15 & 17s junior leagues and of course 2 semi pro teams,north wales crusaders & south wales scorpions in the english championship leagues

Valley Cougars in Conference League South as well. Scorpions run Under 16 and under 19 sides and there's several North Wales teams in North West junior leagues. Sadly though the under 17 league never got off the ground by the looks of things

 

[bowes]

Country - France

Number of Divisions - Pro: ESL (Dragons), Semi-Pro: 2 divisions (Elite 1, Elite 2), Amateur: 1 division + 1 female, Juniors: 1 division, Wheelchair: 1 division, schools and universities.

Number of committees: 25

Number of teams: 1 esl + 20 elite + 22 amateur + 6 female + 8 juniors + 10 wheelchair >= 67 (probably missing some)
(rugby union, ~1600!)

Number of licences: 11,473 (in 2012) though 45,000 practicants according to the FFRXIII (schools, carnavals etc.). Rugby union 340,000, American football = 18,000, Baseball/softball = 11,000, soccer = 1.9m

There's another Federale amateur division below that at open age as well, not sure the exact numbers off the top of my head but think it was 4-6 divisions of say 5-8 teams

 

[bowes]

country - ireland
number of divisions - 3 - munster,leinster,ulster
number of teams - 11
number of players - 200-250


struggling to see any sort of junior club set up...but they are getting into the schools and this looks encouraging.. http://www.rli.ie/article/12005/junior-rugby-league-blog

10 teams as West Coast Warriors never got off the ground this season.

 

[bowes]

Scotland: 4 clubs, in theory 7 teams but in practice the second tier competition with 2 reserve teams and a third tier seems to have died off. Even two of those four clubs can barely raise a team

Juniors: they used to have several age groups but this year was just a 4 team under 14 league based on Aberdeen

For what it's worth outside of the very well set up Aberdeen Warriors the game in Scotland seems to be struggling with the loss of RFL funding. Though Edinburgh Eagles aren't going anywhere at open age if they can retain a league to play in

 

[langpark]

country - Denmark
number of divisions - Competition is Pan Scandinavian
number of teams - 2
number of players - 100-150
Also, a separate junior club being established and interest in a new senior club being formed in 2015

country - Sweden
number of divisions - Competition is Pan Scandinavian
number of teams - 2
number of players - 100-150 est.
Two new clubs being formed.

This is exactly why I cringed when I read that first post, I knew a bunch of inflated figures would soon follow....

Squads of 75 players? come on...

 

[deal.with.it]

Scotland: 4 clubs, in theory 7 teams but in practice the second tier competition with 2 reserve teams and a third tier seems to have died off. Even two of those four clubs can barely raise a team

Juniors: they used to have several age groups but this year was just a 4 team under 14 league based on Aberdeen

For what it's worth outside of the very well set up Aberdeen Warriors the game in Scotland seems to be struggling with the loss of RFL funding. Though Edinburgh Eagles aren't going anywhere at open age if they can retain a league to play in

Scotland get about £50K from SportScotland. If they can't use that money to develop the sport then something is wrong.

 

[roughyedspud]

how much do you think £50k is?? lol


it won't go far