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Storm first, then daylight

gong_eagle

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Storm first, then daylight



http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...1204998282038.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

March 10, 2008

"HE'D play like he had glue on his hands some days," says Jamie Lyon, tongue-in-cheek, of former Manly teammate Michael Monaghan. "He's an awesome player - but he liked to go himself a fair bit. Hopefully, Ox [Matt Orford] and I might see a bit more ball."
Lyon is right - Monaghan often flew solo last season. When a player needed to wrap themselves around the game, he would usually be the Sea Eagle who did so.
It makes some wonder why last year's defeated grand finalists let him take the money and run to Warrington, where he's toying with defences in the UK Super League.
And it has made Lyon realise he wants to be a more dominant player at five-eighth alongside captain and halfback Orford as their team attempts to atone for their grand-final vanquishing at the hands of Melbourne.
"I was a bit quiet last season, I admit that," Lyon told the Herald. "I didn't demand the ball enough and I'd like to become more dominant this year at five-eighth.
"Ox and I have been working a lot together during this off-season about becoming more dominant. I reckon there will be a new edge to our attack. There has to be - because Monaghan won't be there."
The agony of grand-final defeat usually spurs a side to greater heights the following season.
But on the northern peninsula, Monaghan's departure threatens to drag them down.
While it might be enough to prevent their securing a top-two finish, it should not be enough to force them out of the top four.
Manly coach Des Hasler has created a well-drilled and well-disciplined team which has a forward pack who will improve in 2008.
And Matt Ballin showed last season he is no impostor from dummy half.
While the Sea Eagles' fortunes might rest on Monaghan's exit, don't listen to the hype about the impact of Graham Murray's impending exit from the Cowboys.
"Ding dong, the witch is dead," was reportedly one of the text messages a Cowboys player sent around when news broke that this would be Murray's final season.
Witches rarely get starts in the NRL but it wouldn't matter if one did. Players are too professional and their reputations too important for them not to perform.
Murray has his detractors but he's canny enough to surround himself with good operators. Assistant coaches Ian Millward (who is on the short list with Broncos mentor Wayne Bennett to replace Murray) and Matt Parish, along with new football manager Dean Lance, are steadying influences.

With this in mind, what the Cowboys' season will hinge on is a no-brainer: the fitness of the world's premier attacking players - captain and halfback Johnathan Thurston and fullback Matt Bowen.
We'll get a clear indication in the first four to six weeks as Thurston recovers from off-season shoulder surgery. Bowen has privately indicated a desire to play in the halves and might get the chance.
If both are on the paddock, they're top-four certainties and premiership contenders. Without them, for any extended period of time, they will finish in the bottom four of the top eight.
The Warriors should be so lucky. Coach Ivan Cleary has some scar tissue to repair from his side's 49-12 loss to the Cowboys in the second week of the finals.
His boys had travelled to Townsville convinced they would win. They reportedly returned to Auckland devastated by the huge defeat.
They're putting on a brave face across the ditch but the season-ending knee injury to fullback Wade McKinnon - who rivals Bowen as the best kick returner in the NRL - can't be underestimated.
The Warriors were tight-lipped yesterday about a possible replacement but Cleary is tossing up between utilities Lance Hohaia and Patrick Ah Van. Rookie outside-back Aidan Kirk has also been mooted.
Doubts also remain about the potency of halves Michael Witt and Grant Rovelli but their combination will be better for completing almost the entire season together.
Broncos centre Brent Tate adds some spark in attack but whether that translates to enough - or any - points is unclear.
Without McKinnon the Warriors don't just slide out of the top four but probably the eight.
Now … aren't we forgetting somebody?
Defending premiers Melbourne have had their stocks raided but that's the collateral damage expected after smothering last year's competition as they did.
The loss of centre Matt King, prop Ben Cross and back-rowers Clint Newton and Garret Crossman might bring them back to the field. But Craig Bellamy's side was so far ahead and around the corner from the rest, these departures only fractionally narrow the gap.
It will require a monumental and spectacular fall from grace for them not to finish in the top four. OK, top two. Fair enough, to win it again.
 

ozbash

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The Warriors were tight-lipped yesterday about a possible replacement but Cleary is tossing up between utilities Lance Hohaia and Patrick Ah Van. Rookie outside-back Aidan Kirk has also been mooted.
Doubts also remain about the potency of halves Michael Witt and Grant Rovelli but their combination will be better for completing almost the entire season together.
Broncos centre Brent Tate adds some spark in attack but whether that translates to enough - or any - points is unclear.
Without McKinnon the Warriors don't just slide out of the top four but probably the eight.

Losing McKinnon wont affect the warriors chances, he will be replaced.
Witt went very well for us last year, looked very good in the number 6 and created a lot more options for our backs than they had previously.
A fit Tate will more than compensate for McKinnon, gaurenteed that Cleary has adjusted his defense and I'd expect to see the 2 centers covering and backing up whoever gets the fullback spot.
hope its hohahia and if it is it begs the question of why did we sign kirk.??

so, keep having the doubts australia, and whatever you do, kick the ball to manu...
 

Timmah

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I rate NZ this year - I think the Storm are being overrated as well. They'll be up there but not streets ahead anymore.
 
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ozbash said:
The Warriors were tight-lipped yesterday about a possible replacement but Cleary is tossing up between utilities Lance Hohaia and Patrick Ah Van. Rookie outside-back Aidan Kirk has also been mooted.
Doubts also remain about the potency of halves Michael Witt and Grant Rovelli but their combination will be better for completing almost the entire season together.
Broncos centre Brent Tate adds some spark in attack but whether that translates to enough - or any - points is unclear.
Without McKinnon the Warriors don't just slide out of the top four but probably the eight.
Losing McKinnon wont affect the warriors chances, he will be replaced.
Witt went very well for us last year, looked very good in the number 6 and created a lot more options for our backs than they had previously.
A fit Tate will more than compensate for McKinnon, gaurenteed that Cleary has adjusted his defense and I'd expect to see the 2 centers covering and backing up whoever gets the fullback spot.
hope its hohahia and if it is it begs the question of why did we sign kirk.??

so, keep having the doubts australia, and whatever you do, kick the ball to manu...

McKinnon is not Warriors saviour...they have a number of class players and will make the 8.

Tate brings attacking potency and the likes of Mannering and Rovelli will be looking to support him accordingly.

The forward pack will dominate a lot of packs...the Storm game could go either way.
 
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ozbash said:
The Warriors were tight-lipped yesterday about a possible replacement but Cleary is tossing up between utilities Lance Hohaia and Patrick Ah Van. Rookie outside-back Aidan Kirk has also been mooted.
Doubts also remain about the potency of halves Michael Witt and Grant Rovelli but their combination will be better for completing almost the entire season together.
Broncos centre Brent Tate adds some spark in attack but whether that translates to enough - or any - points is unclear.
Without McKinnon the Warriors don't just slide out of the top four but probably the eight.

Losing McKinnon wont affect the warriors chances, he will be replaced.
Witt went very well for us last year, looked very good in the number 6 and created a lot more options for our backs than they had previously.
A fit Tate will more than compensate for McKinnon, gaurenteed that Cleary has adjusted his defense and I'd expect to see the 2 centers covering and backing up whoever gets the fullback spot.
hope its hohahia and if it is it begs the question of why did we sign kirk.??

so, keep having the doubts australia, and whatever you do, kick the ball to manu...

I agree mate, I really hope they target Manu this year !!!!!

Sonny Fai to make a big impact for the Warriors and even perhaps later in the year Russel Packer.

Also Kevin Locke maybe a bolter late in the season at fullback. For all you Shannon Walker fans..... Wait to you get to see this kid !

Constantine Mika, Ben Matulino, Lesson Ah Mau, Herman Ratzlaff .......... The warriors have a bit of junior talent to fall back on.
 

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gong_eagle said:
We'll get a clear indication in the first four to six weeks as Thurston recovers from off-season shoulder surgery. Bowen has privately indicated a desire to play in the halves and might get the chance.
What??:eek:
Bowen does play quite pivotish.

No offence to the Storm but it really irks me with everyone saying they'll go back to back.
Firstly it's the safest and easiest option,an AFL fan could say Storm will go back to back without any football knowledge.

Secondly,it's rare considering it was more than 15 years since it last happened.
They were good last year because they had a fire and intensity that was started by Brisbane the previous year,whether it's the same this year remains to be seen.
 

Billythekid

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Shorty said:
What??:eek:
Bowen does play quite pivotish.

No offence to the Storm but it really irks me with everyone saying they'll go back to back.
Firstly it's the safest and easiest option,an AFL fan could say Storm will go back to back without any football knowledge.

Secondly,it's rare considering it was more than 15 years since it last happened.
They were good last year because they had a fire and intensity that was started by Brisbane the previous year,whether it's the same this year remains to be seen.

I agree with what your saying but who should we tip? Melbourne still have the best lineup so i tip them win the premiership. Your right theres a high chance they won't, but when i look at all the lineups they are most likely so i tip them simple as that.
 

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Fire and Intensity from the Drongos loss?

They've loss 7 regular season games in the last two years FFS!

They're bloody good. Better than the rest of the comp by at least a length.
 

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t-ba said:
Fire and Intensity from the Drongos loss?
Erm yes,losing a GF when it was their opinion that they were the better team and were the better team for that year.
It's pretty obvious too.
 

Ice777

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It's got me stuffed why it would bother anyone in the slightest why most of the "experts" are tipping the Storm to go back to back. Does it instantly mean because they're getting the majority of the votes that they're going to? Of course it doesn't so why would anyone give a toss about it? It's an opinion that's all, they've got to pick someone and given their lasts two seasons you'd think the Storm would be the logical choice. But once again that doesn't mean for a second they'll win it so don't go losing any sleep over it.
 

t-ba

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Shorty said:
Erm yes,losing a GF when it was their opinion that they were the better team and were the better team for that year.
It's pretty obvious too.

One win better?

They actually finished closer to the field last year than in 2006.
 

Shorty

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t-ba said:
One win better?

They actually finished closer to the field last year than in 2006.
They lost the GF in 2006 which gave them the fire which they needed to be unstoppable in 2007.
That's what I'm talking about.

Anyway,Storm probably will go back to back,but I'd rather see some interesting predictions in the articles instead of people going the easy way out.
Which it really is.
 
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Shorty said:
What??:eek:
Bowen does play quite pivotish.

No offence to the Storm but it really irks me with everyone saying they'll go back to back.
Firstly it's the safest and easiest option,an AFL fan could say Storm will go back to back without any football knowledge.

Secondly,it's rare considering it was more than 15 years since it last happened.
They were good last year because they had a fire and intensity that was started by Brisbane the previous year,whether it's the same this year remains to be seen.

The safest and easiest option ??...and then you chuck the AFL fans ignorance into the equation ??.

Breaking news...there are NRL fans in Melbourne who don't follow AFL.

Yes it is rare (back to back) that this has happened and your comment that Brisbane were the reason for Storm having a good season is a joke...how many games have they lost in the last 2 seasons ??.

They were good last season because of the culture, the attitude of the players and a brilliant coach.

Your comments reek of polite jealousy.
 

Shorty

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I'm pretty sure a lot of teams are jealous of the Storm,love.
I'll explain again,Brisbane devastated Melbourne in the 2006 GF,if you think they weren't heavily influenced by that then you're mental.
I meant,someone who hasn't paid any attention really to the NRL could predict the Storm would win it.

Cripes,do you have Mondayitis or something?
 

t-ba

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Just because it's the obvious opinion does not mean it is not the informed opinion...
 

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gong_eagle said:
"HE'D play like he had glue on his hands some days," says Jamie Lyon, tongue-in-cheek, of former Manly teammate Michael Monaghan. "He's an awesome player - but he liked to go himself a fair bit. Hopefully, Ox [Matt Orford] and I might see a bit more ball."

"Ox and I have been working a lot together during this off-season about becoming more dominant. I reckon there will be a new edge to our attack. There has to be - because Monaghan won't be there."


Is Lyon seriously bagging off on Monaghan??


The eagles are in for a rude shock it seems if the rest of the club is are stupid as this tub of lard
 

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